Are we adressing our D-line?
 

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I watched this kid in the combine. Hes real young but has a crazy upside. I think this helps us out.

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This could lend credence to the rumors that we may trade down with the Texans to #8.

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Can somebody hit me with Okoye's listed height and weight?

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I really don't know anything about this kid but I've been hoping we'd trade down to draft him and get another pick or two rather than take Adams or Anderson. Hopefully this works out.

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So, I take it our list of DT/DE's to pick with either the #6 or the #8 spot is Okoye, Branch, Adams and Anderson? If all four are gone by that time (unlikely), then I guess we entertain trade offers with whoever to secure more draft picks, including a late first rounder.

Decent sounding scenario:
-Trade #6 with houston for #8 and whatever pick.
-Draft one of the above DT/DE with the #8.
-Keep "whatever pick" and trade #8 to (denver?) for their 1st rounder and additonal picks.

Too lazy to look up trade value but I'm sure Gibbs and company have learned from lessons past.

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He's 6-1, 317lbs

[url=http://uoflsports.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/okoye_amobi00.html]Player Bio: Amobi Okoye :: Football[/url]

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[URL="http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/profile.php?pyid=13143"]This seems like better info.[/URL] It has him listed as being just over 300 lbs.

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This kid is only 19 years old. he could be in the league for 15 years easily. I really like this guy, plus we are gonna get somethin else to trade down and still get our man. We are finally workin all aspects of the offseason instead of tryin to buy all the big names.

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I like Okoye a lot, watched L'ville a few times & he definitely wreaked havoc. Seems like a Gibbs guy too. JLC said the staff is very impressed by him. I'd say he's the favorite at this point.

I haven't seen Adam Carriker play, but I like the sounds of him & he sounds like more of an every down player than Adams & Anderson.

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okoye is the SAFEST bet on the DL. huge upside, could be highly productive immediately, well-rounded and he's smart, which is ALWAYS a big plus.

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From NFLDraftScout.com


Amobi Okoye
Rated number 2 out of 145 DT's 12 / 2350 TOTAL

Combine Invite: Yes
Height: 6020
Weight: 302
40 Yrd Dash: 5.07
20 Yrd Dash: 2.87
10 Yrd Dash: 1.65
Wonderlic:
225 Lb. Bench Reps: 29
Vertical Jump: 30
Broad Jump: 9'3"
20 Yrd Shuttle:
3-Cone Drill: 7.46



Positives: Has a shorter than ideal frame, but shows adequate muscle tone, dropping more than 25 pounds of "baby fat" from the start of the 2006 season until arriving at Senior Bowl practices in January...Has the low center of gravity and lower body strength needed to man the nose guard or three-technique position...Plays until the whistle and it is rare to see him throttle down...Has made good strides in finishing on the play and has developed into a quick read-and-react type...Has the short-area explosion to slip past the center shooting the gaps...Keeps his feet on the move and uses his long arm reach effectively to prevent blockers from locking him up...Takes the plays from the chalkboard to the field with no problems...Very combative with his hands when taking on double-team action...Though short, he has the wide framed with a thick chest, loose hips and big thighs to hold ground firmly at the point of attack...Has sudden movements to get on the edge of a blocker, demonstrating natural hand strength and proper position to shed with ease...Very instinctive, reacting quickly to running schemes, as he is a quick twitch type, known to gain immediate advantage off the snap with his explosion...Plays with his head up and has developed a good feel to react quickly to block pressure...Knifes through the line with good urgency and has the natural strength to maintain leverage...His low center of gravity makes it tough for a blocker to move him out, and he shows good quickness in the gaps to disrupt the pocket (needs to finish better once he gets into the backfield, though)...Easily defeats the isolated blocker with strength and all-out effort...Is best when he gets on the center's head, as it allows him to burst quickly into the backfield to push the pocket...Adequate at flushing the quarterback out, but needs to be quicker when closing...Stacks the run at the point of attack, coming off the snap with a low, powerful leg drive...His low center of gravity allows him to gain leverage and opponents must use double-team blocking in order to contain him, as his hand usage usually knocks the blockers off stride...Does a good job of bending his knees and opening his hips to stack blocks and split the double team...Very active with his hands, working them across the face to defeat blockers...Takes good angles to the ball playing off the line, and is most effective when utilized to clog the inside rush lanes rather than pursue the passer.

Negatives: Shorter than ideal, causing problems when he fails to keep his hands active trying to fill the rush lanes and the center gets assistance in blocking him out (susceptible to cut blocks)...Can push the pocket, but seems to lack the closing burst needed to get to the quarterback consistently (needs to finish better)...His size could be a problem in a one-gap system...While he delivers punishing hand swipes in closed quarters, he can get reckless while operating in space...Does not possess sustained speed to pursue long distances, working better in the short area...Lost bulk to improve his stamina, but needs to put some back on to compete against the bigger blockers at the pro level...Very good in run containment, but he lacks pass rush moves despite eight sacks as a senior...Can move laterally with some effectiveness, but will struggle to redirect and is slow to recover when taking a wide loop in backside pursuit...Can push the pocket and has good initial quickness, but lacks the sudden speed to close on the quarterback...Even though he is known to clog the middle, only two of his 55 tackles in 2006 came inside the red zone.

Compares To: JONATHAN BABINEAUX-Atlanta...Neither player can be measured on his size, as their heart and desire to make the play are their biggest assets. Both show a good short-area burst and excellent upper body strength to clog the middle and split double teams. While neither is known for his pass rushing skills, both are quite effective at keeping their feet and anchoring to shut down the inside rush lanes.

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[quote=That Guy;287506]okoye is the SAFEST bet on the DL. huge upside, could be highly productive immediately, well-rounded and he's smart, which is ALWAYS a big plus.[/quote]Plus they have 4 full seasons of film on him compared to only 3 on Branch and/or Anderson. He's less likely to bust if the scouts like him.

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[quote=Schneed10;287424]This could lend credence to the rumors that we may trade down with the Texans to #8.[/quote]I think Houston wants him too, but they probably wouldn't trade up to get him.

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I haven't seen extensive film on Okoye but I know I don't like Alan Branch. He is a bust waiting to happen, plays high, low motor, doesn't play behind the line of scrimage. I watched him during the Rose Bowl and was very disappointed dispite the fact that the commentators talked him up the whole game. I think Okoye is the best bet at DT and #8 is probably as far as the Skins can drop and be pretty well assured of taking him as the Dolphins might be interested in him at #9. If the Skins traded with the Texans the difference in value between picks 6 and 8 is 200 points. That would get the Skins the Texans 3rd round pick (#73 overall, valued at 225 points). A good trade to drop and get the guy you really want plus an a high third.

I think Okoye is the guy the should be targeting. I'm not high on Gaines Adams as he is small and a very similar body type to Andre Carter. Not stout against the run and I'm not convinced he will be a dynamic pass rusher in the mould of a Dwight Freeny. I haven't seen anything from Anderson, but I do know that Mike Mayock does not like him much. From what I've seen of Adam Carriker he looks good, but tends to play too high. You could probably correct that pretty easily with coaching and so I think he would probably be my second choice behind Okoye. Both would be there at #8. If the Skins do want an elite DE/DT they probably wouldn't want to go too much further down so this might be preferable to the trade that was discussed with Denver a couple of weeks ago.

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The question is, is Okoye valuable enough to another team that he could be taken before the #8 pick, assuming we do trade places with Houston?

The way his stock seems to be rising, especially on this board, let's hope he's still there if we trade down.

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well, last year i really liked maurice jones-drew cause he had a lot of heart with some good talent, and that seems to translate well... okoye definitely has heart and plays hard till the whistle, and he'd definitely be my #1 choice at DT, if nothing else. I think branch is lazy too.

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[quote=Beemnseven;287540]The question is, is Okoye valuable enough to another team that he could be taken before the #8 pick, assuming we do trade places with Houston?

The way his stock seems to be rising, especially on this board, let's hope he's still there if we trade down.[/quote]

i think this board and fans in general are a bit higher on him than the scouts/teams are. I mean, he's not close to the best DT prospect ever, but he is a solid first rounder that looks promising. still more potential than production thusfar though, which the teams probably see more clearly.

I mean, if i could have any one player this year, it'd be calvin johnson, and the #2 choice wouldn't even be in the same stratosphere. outside of that though, you've got a good group of players across a bunch of positions, including a completely tangled (but deep) DL group and a deep, clear pecking order at WR.

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I'm sorry I know the media has a huge man crush on Okoye, don't get me wrong I like the kid and I think he has the potential to be good in the NFL, but I think Branch is going to be better than Okoye.

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Just so everyone knows, mel kiper now has Okoye as the top rated defensive linemen in the draft. That higher than Jamal Anderson and Gaines Adams. I always say the only thing better that a dominate outside pass rusher is a dominant inside force on the dline who can penetrate to the stuff the run and rush the passer.

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So, if we trade out of the #6 with Houston, does Minnesota take him at #7?

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[QUOTE=B.F. SKINner;287558]So, if we trade out of the #6 with Houston, does Minnesota take him at #7?[/QUOTE]


You mean Branch or Okoye? Maybe. But they spent their top draft picks on D-linemen in '05, '04, and '03 with Erasmus James, Kevin Williams, and Kenechi Udeze. Last year it was LB Chad Greenway. So you'd think they'd make the shift to offense this year. Who knows.

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[quote=B.F. SKINner;287558]So, if we trade out of the #6 with Houston, does Minnesota take him at #7?[/quote]

You mean the Minnesota team with Kevin and Pat Williams at DT? Doesn't seem likely. Houston would seem more likely to make the pick, but I don't have a great sense of their needs at DL.

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[quote=PorterHouse;287436]This kid is only 19 years old. he could be in the league for 15 years easily. I really like this guy, plus we are gonna get somethin else to trade down and still get our man. We are finally workin all aspects of the offseason instead of tryin to buy all the big names.[/quote]


and that is GREAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! i love this guy and if we trade down and pick up an extra 2nd round pick and draft someone like Anthony Spencer or Tim Crowder or Ray McDonald it would be like an orgy if we were able to pull that off that would pull our dismal defense to top 10 easily and our d line would be one of the best in the league think about it

Andre Carter, Amobi Okoye, Cornelius Griffin, Victor Abiamiri

just makes me foam at the mouth

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What's interesting is that Okoye is also supposed to meet with Denver (I'm sure he's scheduled to meet with a lot of teams) but at #21 the Broncos probably won't get him so the question is are they looking to move (maybe to #6) to get Okoye

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[quote=SmootSmack;287607]What's interesting is that Okoye is also supposed to meet with Denver (I'm sure he's scheduled to meet with a lot of teams) but at #21 the Broncos probably won't get him so the question is are they looking to move (maybe to #6) to get Okoye[/quote]


oh screw that i will take out the broncos front office before that happens okoye will be a redskin mark it down

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a 4 year starter and only 19. oh, he also was accepted to Hartvard to go to college... definitely a gibbs guy. ive been emailing the skins site to draft this guy for months, i dont care about his value or where we could get him, get him at 6 or 8 or 12, just get him. and whoever said they like branch better..... na

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[QUOTE=jrocx69;287625]a 4 year starter and only 19. oh, he also was accepted to Hartvard to go to college... definitely a gibbs guy. ive been emailing the skins site to draft this guy for months, i dont care about his value or where we could get him, get him at 6 or 8 or 12, just get him. and whoever said they like branch better..... na[/QUOTE]

You email the Skins site with draft advice? That's awesome. I need to start doing that.

I have also heard that the Skins are not that high on Adams or Anderson, and I agree with the analysis of Branch as a potential bust. Kiper said it best - he should have been dominant in college and often wasn't. Why would that change at the next level? He has the frame to be a good player but I doubt he will emerge as a stud.

I just have a good feeling about Okoye. In fact, I think I am going to mail redskins.com just to let them know that.

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[QUOTE=djnemo65;287638]You email the Skins site with draft advice? That's awesome. I need to start doing that.

I have also heard that the Skins are not that high on Adams or Anderson, and I agree with the analysis of Branch as a potential bust. Kiper said it best - he should have been dominant in college and often wasn't. Why would that change at the next level? He has the frame to be a good player but I doubt he will emerge as a stud.

I just have a good feeling about Okoye. In fact, I think I am going to mail redskins.com just to let them know that.[/QUOTE]

lol, I didnt say they listen, but every draft they piss me off by not having any or picking people like mark wilson (OT), or Manuel White or Jared Newberry

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If he is gone early, I like this Carriker(sp?) kid from Nebraska

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[QUOTE=jrocx69;287649]lol, I didnt say they listen, but every draft they piss me off by not having any or picking people like mark wilson (OT), or Manuel White or Jared Newberry[/QUOTE]

Whatever, I can imagine high level draft meetings where they are arguing back and forth, when suddenly　Ｇｉｂｂｓ　ｙｅｌｌｓ　ｏｕｔ，　ｅｖｅｒｙｏｎｅ　ｑｕｉｔｅ，　we　ｇｏｔ　ａｎｏｔｈｅｒ　ｅｍａｉｌ　ｆｒｏｍ　Ｊｒｏｃｘ． He wants us to take Okoye!

Tell the truth, when the Skins are yammering away on that phone during draft day its you they are talking to right?

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It would be nice not to be laughed at on draft day, or only have one 1st day pick.

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minnesota has GOOD DTs, there's an outside chance they look at DE, but unless someone else trades into that spot, i doubt there's even a chance that a DT goes at #7.

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[quote=That Guy;287681]minnesota has GOOD DTs, there's an outside chance they look at DE, but unless someone else trades into that spot, i doubt there's even a chance that a DT goes at #7.[/quote]


exactly

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[QUOTE=djnemo65;287652]Whatever, I can imagine high level draft meetings where they are arguing back and forth, when suddenly　Ｇｉｂｂｓ　ｙｅｌｌｓ　ｏｕｔ，　ｅｖｅｒｙｏｎｅ　ｑｕｉｔｅ，　we　ｇｏｔ　ａｎｏｔｈｅｒ　ｅｍａｉｌ　ｆｒｏｍ　Ｊｒｏｃｘ． He wants us to take Okoye!

Tell the truth, when the Skins are yammering away on that phone during draft day its you they are talking to right?[/QUOTE]

i wish they would.

#1 DT UOFL Okoye
#5 OG TTU Ramirez
#6 DE LSU Pittman
#7 S ND Ndukwe

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[quote=jrocx69;287785]i wish they would.

#1 DT UOFL Okoye
#5 OG TTU Ramirez
#6 DE LSU Pittman
#7 S ND Ndukwe[/quote]

I wish they would.
# DT Okoye
# DE Best available. I count five top prospects and several good ones. One could fall to us if we trade down and pick up a 2nd round pick or come up with a trade package involving Springs. I'd love to trade down and pick up DE Carriker later in the first. That would give us two beasts we could count on for years. I'd trade Springs and a #3 for a good shot at Carriker.

Consider a front four of Carriker, Okoye, Carter, and Griffin.

Griffin: Exceptional against the run and as a rusher.
Carter: Excellent speed rusher
Okoye: Future great. Occupies blockers, makes tackles at the line, puts pressure on the QB by crushing the pocket. May learn to finish well (19 years old, super intelliegent).
Carriker: A stone wall against the run and an adequate rusher.

I'd put Okoye and Carter on the right and Carrker on the left with Griffin to balance the front.

I'd also like a date with Angelina Joli.

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[QUOTE=jrocx69;287785]i wish they would.

#1 DT UOFL Okoye
#5 OG TTU Ramirez
#6 DE LSU Pittman
#7 S ND Ndukwe[/QUOTE]

I honestly don't feel the rush to draft an offensive guard just because we lost Dockery. In fact, a journeyman free agent might serve us better in the short term as somebody who could step right in without having the growing pains of a rookie.

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[quote=jrocx69;287785]i wish they would.

#1 DT UOFL Okoye
#5 OG TTU Ramirez
#6 DE LSU Pittman
#7 S ND Ndukwe[/quote]Did any Johnson supporters see the lick that Chideum Ndukwe layed on him on opening night?

I'll try to find it on YOUTUBE, but it just shows that Johnson isn't invincible. Like any other WR, he's prone to dropping the ball if he gets whalloped.

BTW, Ndukwe is the brother of the Ndukwe who used to play guard for us.

EDIT: [URL="http://youtube.com/watch?v=7aPaqjNyo4Y"]Found it[/URL]

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If we trade down and get extra picks from Houston or Buffalo...I still think we should take Laron Landry from LSU. Thats if we get extra picks. Then our defensive backfield would be complete. No more long plays, cuz we have a 4-yr starter and 2 time all american playing center field with Sean Taylor playing underneath like a bigger, stronger, and faster Polamalu.

With the extra picks we can plug holes on that line. Branch, Adams, Okoye, and Anderson, all of the guys that we are looking at, are all boom-or-bust picks. Landry is the safest, most reliable pick that we can take. he can come in immediately and make us better without equivocation.


Now if we trade with denver then we have to take a D Lineman around the 25th pick, but if not LAndry is our man

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[QUOTE=SkinsFanSince91;287838]If we trade down and get extra picks from Houston or Buffalo...I still think we should take Laron Landry from LSU. Thats if we get extra picks. Then our defensive backfield would be complete. No more long plays, cuz we have a 4-yr starter and 2 time all american playing center field with Sean Taylor playing underneath like a bigger, stronger, and faster Polamalu.

With the extra picks we can plug holes on that line. Branch, Adams, Okoye, and Anderson, all of the guys that we are looking at, are all boom-or-bust picks. Landry is the safest, most reliable pick that we can take. he can come in immediately and make us better without equivocation.


Now if we trade with denver then we have to take a D Lineman around the 25th pick, but if not LAndry is our man[/QUOTE]

Ain't no way, no how.

If we don't shore up that awful defensive line, opponents will run up and down Pennsylvania Avenue on us. And Landry, or whoever else they stick in the secondary won't matter one iota.

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[quote=SkinsFanSince91;287838]If we trade down and get extra picks from Houston or Buffalo...I still think we should take Laron Landry from LSU. Thats if we get extra picks. Then our defensive backfield would be complete. No more long plays, cuz we have a 4-yr starter and 2 time all american playing center field with Sean Taylor playing underneath like a bigger, stronger, and faster Polamalu.

With the extra picks we can plug holes on that line. Branch, Adams, Okoye, and Anderson, all of the guys that we are looking at, are all boom-or-bust picks. Landry is the safest, most reliable pick that we can take. he can come in immediately and make us better without equivocation.


Now if we trade with denver then we have to take a D Lineman around the 25th pick, but if not LAndry is our man[/quote]I think Landry is a good pick, but considering all the talent we have in the secondary, I'd only want him if Carriker, Branch, AND Okoye were gone.

We spent a lot of high picks in our secondary the last three seasons.

Also, 4 year starters like Okoye and Adams are guys who there is just as much film on as Landry. You're designation of the DL guys as "boom or bust" seems somewhat unfounded and arbitrary.

I agree that when a guy comes out of college early, theres always a bigger risk drafting him high than if the same player waited until after his senior year to come out, and Landry WAS a 4 year starter, but you can't just declare a guy boom or bust and assume it to be accurate.