What are we doin with our D-Backs?
 

Who starts? Who is goin?
I heard from a guy that Springs may be moving to safety. Not to sure about the source so if anyone knows something let me know. We definately have an abundance.

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Well, Randy Johnson returned to the D-Backs this season. He had back surgery and should have a good, healthy year in the NL.


OHHHHHHHH...


I don't know officially, I doubt anyone other than the coaching staff does, but here's what I would do:

Rogers and Smoot SHOULD be starting at CB.
Taylor and Springs at Safety.
Arch would be the Nickelback and he'd blitz a lot when he's in.

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if the skins gey dre bly then i would think they would get rid of springs, in that case the def.backs would be
1-bly (covering the teams #1 wr)
2-rogers (covering teams #2 wr)
3-smoot (covering teams #3 wr)
4&5-taylor & preiluo(sp) safety

*rogers and smoot could swap positions* (could be determined in camp)

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We need to get a FS with great range, tackling skills, and play-making ability to help aid our secondary. keep springs at corner.

Draft Eric Weddle from Utah!!

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[quote=wolfeskins;288430]if the skins gey dre bly then i would think they would get rid of springs, in that case the def.backs would be
1-bly (covering the teams #1 wr)
2-rogers (covering teams #2 wr)
3-smoot (covering teams #3 wr)
4&5-taylor & preiluo(sp) safety

*rogers and smoot could swap positions* (could be determined in camp)[/quote]


i know ive mentioned this before, and i agree with who you think will be starting but i just cant see the mouth of the south not starting without complaints.

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we dont have bly just yet, so Smoot would be starting in theory.

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[quote=SkinsFanSince91;288439]we dont have bly just yet, so Smoot would be starting in theory.[/quote]

even if we do not get bly and we keep springs, i'm not convinced smoot would start over rogers. i think they would battle it out in camp. neither one of those guys make me overly worried but neither one makes me overly happy either.

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Springs would make a great safety across from Sean Taylor.

Two years back when we had Ryan Clark starting, our defense excelled against the pass. Clark wasn't a very big safety at 5'11" and only 205 lbs. but he was better at coverage than anything we got out of Archuleta, Vincent, and Fox last year.

But if you recall, Clark was pretty bad against the run, yet we still had a superior run defense as well. With his cover skills, Gregg Williams was more comfort leaving more guys in the pocket to stuff the run.

That said, Carlos would really have to step it up to be a #1 corner, and smoot would have to get back to his old self. I think there is still the possibility that Bly could come over. Whether archuleta is involved in that trade or not (Lynch is getting old...) I doubt it, but we gotta move on from him.

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right now
starting corners- smoot and springs
starting safetys- taylor and prilieou(sp?)

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[quote=CooleyFan47;288452]Springs would make a great safety across from Sean Taylor.

Two years back when we had Ryan Clark starting, our defense excelled against the pass. Clark wasn't a very big safety at 5'11" and only 205 lbs. but he was better at coverage than anything we got out of Archuleta, Vincent, and Fox last year.

But if you recall, Clark was pretty bad against the run, yet we still had a superior run defense as well. With his cover skills, Gregg Williams was more comfort leaving more guys in the pocket to stuff the run.

That said, Carlos would really have to step it up to be a #1 corner, and smoot would have to get back to his old self. I think there is still the possibility that Bly could come over. Whether archuleta is involved in that trade or not (Lynch is getting old...) I doubt it, but we gotta move on from him.[/quote]

This sounds good in theory but Springs is the only guy that has proven that he can shut down a #1. They aren't going to pay him 7 million to be a strong safety.

It would make more sense to move Rogers or Smoot to SS before Springs at this point.

Springs last year here is going to be on the island.

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i love the eric weddle comment....i hear you boss, that guy is a freaking stud and can be had in the second or third round....now we just need to get those picks. i personally think laron laundry at 6 or 8 if we trade with the texans would be an unreal pick, but if we go dline then i take weddle in the second round. my starting line up is smoot and springs with rogers/draft bust as the nickel and then go with taylor and battle it out in camp for the opposite side saftey.

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#1 CB: Springs
#2 CB: Rogers
#3 CB: Smoot
FS: Taylor
SS: Prioleau

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[QUOTE=RMSkins;288626]#1 CB: Springs
#2 CB: Rogers
#3 CB: Smoot
FS: Taylor
SS: Prioleau[/QUOTE]

Since we do not have Bly, and I am thinking we won't, I think it will be Smoot #1, Springs #2, and Rogers #3.
If anyone was watching last year, they would have noticed that Rogers does not have the stuff to be a #1 or a #2. Smoot is twice as good as Rogers. Springs has great talent, but is getting old. He can't be a #1 anymore. The 3 combined make a great trio though.
I do fully beleive that Springs would make a great safety assuming we find a viable CB to take his place, but that's a big if. We don't need a run stopper out of that spot, we need a cover guy. We have new blood in Fletcher to help sure up the LB's and help stop the run. What would help us stop the run even better is a DE. The fact that anyone here thinks we need anything out of the draft (minus maybe a guard) other than a DE is smoking crack. We need a pass rusher to help keep the offenses honest and will help our run stoppers.
If we get Bly, you'll find me over in the corner all giddy. Imagine Bly, Smoot, Rogers and Springs (safety or not) then getting one of those top notch DE's in the draft. I would guarantee we would get back to a top 10 defense. I can see our offense hitting top 10 as well, and if both are top ten, well ladies and gentlemen, that equals the playoffs.

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[quote=jsarno;288631]Since we do not have Bly, and I am thinking we won't, I think it will be Smoot #1, Springs #2, and Rogers #3.
If anyone was watching last year, they would have noticed that Rogers does not have the stuff to be a #1 or a #2. Smoot is twice as good as Rogers. Springs has great talent, but is getting old. He can't be a #1 anymore. The 3 combined make a great trio though.
I do fully beleive that Springs would make a great safety assuming we find a viable CB to take his place, but that's a big if. We don't need a run stopper out of that spot, we need a cover guy. We have new blood in Fletcher to help sure up the LB's and help stop the run. What would help us stop the run even better is a DE. The fact that anyone here thinks we need anything out of the draft (minus maybe a guard) other than a DE is smoking crack. We need a pass rusher to help keep the offenses honest and will help our run stoppers.
If we get Bly, you'll find me over in the corner all giddy. Imagine Bly, Smoot, Rogers and Springs (safety or not) then getting one of those top notch DE's in the draft. I would guarantee we would get back to a top 10 defense. I can see our offense hitting top 10 as well, and if both are top ten, well ladies and gentlemen, that equals the playoffs.[/quote]

Smoot is no way a #1 CB, and I don't think we should give up on Rogers so easily, maybe have Smoot and Rogers share time at the #2 spot.

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[quote=RMSkins;288634]Smoot is no way a #1 CB, and I don't think we should give up on Rogers so easily, maybe have Smoot and Rogers share time at the #2 spot.[/quote]

i totaly agree. no way is smoot going to be our #1 cb, i reserve that spot for springs or bly. smoot, imo, will battle rogers in camp for the #2 spot.
i'm not ready to call rogers a bust just yet. he was ok in his rookie year and was thrust into the #1 spot of an already poor defense last season.

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[quote=PorterHouse;288419]I heard from a guy that Springs may be moving to safety. Not to sure about the source so if anyone knows something let me know.[/quote]
Here's your source...
[url=http://redskins.com/news/newsDetail.jsp?id=24549]Redskins, Springs Ponder Move to Safety[/url]

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Smoot may be a better then average cover CB but he is one of the worst tackling CB's in the league. Springs and Rogers tackle very well, therefore Smoot will be # 3... he will see plenty of action however in GW's schemes

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Rogers is not a bust...He was coming into his own late into the season. With a lackluster pash rush last year any corner would have been victim to a few slants and deep balls. Rogers has talent, and pride. He was burned often last year. This year he makes a statement.

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I don't know officially, I doubt anyone other than the coaching staff does, but here's what I would do:

Rogers and Smoot SHOULD be starting at CB.
Taylor and Springs at Safety.
Arch would be the Nickelback and he'd blitz a lot when he's in.[/quote]

I like that idea..

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[QUOTE=wolfeskins;288652]i totaly agree. no way is smoot going to be our #1 cb, i reserve that spot for springs or bly. smoot, imo, will battle rogers in camp for the #2 spot.
i'm not ready to call rogers a bust just yet. he was ok in his rookie year and was thrust into the #1 spot of an already poor defense last season.[/QUOTE]

Why do you guys think Smoot would not be our #1? Smoot, right now, is our best CB. To me, that makes him our #1. I'm not calling Rogers a bust, he's just not lived up to his potential, and our expectations which were high. He's still a good cb, but when you throw in Springs and Smoot, that makes Rogers our 3rd best cb. This is not to say that Rogers sucks. Many teams wish they had a 3rd CB with Rogers talent.
Yes, he was OK his rookie season. Last year he was not the #1 until injuries put him there. He wanted the #1 role if you recall, and he sucked hard, being "thrusted" there is not the point, he proved he can't handle the pressure. It wasn't until the end of the season when they changed up his role that he did ok again. Our defense wasn't poor all season, our secondary was poor, it was poor because of Rogers not playing well, and getting no safety help. This hurt the overall D like dominoes. But it started with the secondary.

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[quote=jsarno;288674]Why do you guys think Smoot would not be our #1? Smoot, right now, is our best CB. To me, that makes him our #1. I'm not calling Rogers a bust, he's just not lived up to his potential, and our expectations which were high. He's still a good cb, but when you throw in Springs and Smoot, that makes Rogers our 3rd best cb. This is not to say that Rogers sucks. Many teams wish they had a 3rd CB with Rogers talent.
Yes, he was OK his rookie season. Last year he was not the #1 until injuries put him there. He wanted the #1 role if you recall, and he sucked hard, being "thrusted" there is not the point, he proved he can't handle the pressure. It wasn't until the end of the season when they changed up his role that he did ok again. Our defense wasn't poor all season, our secondary was poor, it was poor because of Rogers not playing well, and getting no safety help. This hurt the overall D like dominoes. But it started with the secondary.[/quote]

I'm sorry, but Smoot is not our best CB. Our best CB is Springs, Smoot has proved he cannot handle the #1 CB spot from his days in Minnesota, what makes you think he is going to be a good #1 here?

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[quote=jsarno;288631]Since we do not have Bly, and I am thinking we won't, I think it will be Smoot #1, Springs #2, and Rogers #3.
If anyone was watching last year, they would have noticed that Rogers does not have the stuff to be a #1 or a #2. Smoot is twice as good as Rogers. Springs has great talent, but is getting old. He can't be a #1 anymore. The 3 combined make a great trio though.
I do fully beleive that Springs would make a great safety assuming we find a viable CB to take his place, but that's a big if. We don't need a run stopper out of that spot, we need a cover guy. We have new blood in Fletcher to help sure up the LB's and help stop the run. What would help us stop the run even better is a DE. The fact that anyone here thinks we need anything out of the draft (minus maybe a guard) other than a DE is smoking crack. We need a pass rusher to help keep the offenses honest and will help our run stoppers.
If we get Bly, you'll find me over in the corner all giddy. Imagine Bly, Smoot, Rogers and Springs (safety or not) then getting one of those top notch DE's in the draft. I would guarantee we would get back to a top 10 defense. I can see our offense hitting top 10 as well, and if both are top ten, well ladies and gentlemen, that equals the playoffs.[/quote]


Smoot is twice as good as Rogers? Rogers is a better tackler, faster and no worse in coverage. The only clear advantage that I see with Smoot is that he has better hands.

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[quote=jsarno;288674]Why do you guys think Smoot would not be our #1? Smoot, right now, is our best CB. To me, that makes him our #1. I'm not calling Rogers a bust, he's just not lived up to his potential, and our expectations which were high. He's still a good cb, but when you throw in Springs and Smoot, that makes Rogers our 3rd best cb. This is not to say that Rogers sucks. Many teams wish they had a 3rd CB with Rogers talent.
Yes, he was OK his rookie season. Last year he was not the #1 until injuries put him there. He wanted the #1 role if you recall, and he sucked hard, being "thrusted" there is not the point, he proved he can't handle the pressure. It wasn't until the end of the season when they changed up his role that he did ok again. Our defense wasn't poor all season, our secondary was poor, it was poor because of Rogers not playing well, and getting no safety help. This hurt the overall D like dominoes. But it started with the secondary.[/quote]

the defense wa indeed bad all year, they were bad in preseason and it carried over to the regular season. rogers was the #1 in the first game of the season. springs didn't play until week 4 or something like that and then rogers was once again the #1 when springs went out again a few weeks later. rogers was not ready to be the #1 cb and still probably isn't ready. smoot will tell everyone that he is ready for it but his play has never convinced me he's any better than a #2 cb. imo, springs should be the #1 cb. if you think smoot is a better cover corner then springs then your crazy. if the skins get rid of springs and bring in bly, then bly should be the #1 cb. once again i say smoot will have to battle rogers for the #2 cb spot.

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[QUOTE=wolfeskins;288683]the defense wa indeed bad all year, they were bad in preseason and it carried over to the regular season. rogers was the #1 in the first game of the season. springs didn't play until week 4 or something like that and then rogers was once again the #1 when springs went out again a few weeks later. rogers was not ready to be the #1 cb and still probably isn't ready. smoot will tell everyone that he is ready for it but his play has never convinced me he's any better than a #2 cb. imo, springs should be the #1 cb. if you think smoot is a better cover corner then springs then your crazy. if the skins get rid of springs and bring in bly, then bly should be the #1 cb. once again i say smoot will have to battle rogers for the #2 cb spot.[/QUOTE]

My main argument is Smoot over Rogers. Springs was one of the best CB's I've seen in years. He has a ton of talent, but he's getting older and more fragile, I'm ok with Springs starting the season #1, he's earned it, btu what happens when he goes down? Smoot is a viable #1 CB. He did well in Minnesota, not great, but well, but he was also the only real option they had.
I guess I am the only guy that remembers Rogers going down in flames last year.

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[QUOTE=Grim21Reaper;288681]Smoot is twice as good as Rogers? Rogers is a better tackler, faster and no worse in coverage. The only clear advantage that I see with Smoot is that he has better hands.[/QUOTE]

100% disagree.

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[quote=jsarno;288685]My main argument is Smoot over Rogers. Springs was one of the best CB's I've seen in years. He has a ton of talent, but he's getting older and more fragile, I'm ok with Springs starting the season #1, he's earned it, btu what happens when he goes down? Smoot is a viable #1 CB. He did well in Minnesota, not great, but well, but he was also the only real option they had.
I guess I am the only guy that remembers Rogers going down in flames last year.[/quote]

rogers did go down in flames but so did everyone on that defense, rogers gets no more of the blame then anyone else,imo. smoot could turn out to be the #1 cb. if smoot beats out rogers for the #2 and springs goes down with an injury then smoot could be #1 and rogers #2. i don't like the sound of that but it could happen.

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[quote=jsarno;288686]100% disagree.[/quote]


Look up the Youtube highlights of Smoot "covering" Steve Smith. No receiver has ever done that to Rogers.

Disagree with that?

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dont be suprised if we still end up with bly.

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[quote=rvd420;288707]dont be suprised if we still end up with bly.[/quote]


Why would anyone be surprised? About a dozen media sites have reported that he wants to come here and we have actively been looking to trade with Denver.

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[quote=SkinsFanSince91;288437]We need to get a FS with great range, tackling skills, and play-making ability to help aid our secondary. keep springs at corner.

Draft Eric Weddle from Utah!![/quote]


or Laron Landry from LSU just a thought

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[quote=Grim21Reaper;288691]Look up the Youtube highlights of Smoot "covering" Steve Smith. No receiver has ever done that to Rogers.

Disagree with that?[/quote]


true that was a horrible day for fred smoot and i wish everyone would just forget it

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[quote=PorterHouse;288419]Who starts? Who is goin?
I heard from a guy that Springs may be moving to safety. Not to sure about the source so if anyone knows something let me know. We definately have an abundance.[/quote]


an abundance of what?

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smoot is back where he belongs.A SKIN!!!

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[quote=jsarno;288674]Why do you guys think Smoot would not be our #1? Smoot, right now, is our best CB. To me, that makes him our #1. I'm not calling Rogers a bust, he's just not lived up to his potential, and our expectations which were high. He's still a good cb, but when you throw in Springs and Smoot, that makes Rogers our 3rd best cb. This is not to say that Rogers sucks. Many teams wish they had a 3rd CB with Rogers talent.
Yes, he was OK his rookie season. Last year he was not the #1 until injuries put him there. He wanted the #1 role if you recall, and he sucked hard, being "thrusted" there is not the point, he proved he can't handle the pressure. It wasn't until the end of the season when they changed up his role that he did ok again. Our defense wasn't poor all season, our secondary was poor, it was poor because of Rogers not playing well, and getting no safety help. This hurt the overall D like dominoes. But it started with the secondary.[/quote]

We're very lucky you have nothing to do with our scouting department... Or were you the one who vouched for Archuleta being on of the elite cover safteies in this league?

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CBs Smoot, Rogers, Jimoh
Safeties Taylor, Springs, Prioleau

If Vincent can play safety. I know Springs can

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:bdh: why? why? why?

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I want to see one explanation how the Redskins would be better by taking Springs off the other team's best receiver and putting him at safety.

I don't want to hear about health, I want to know why it would make sense on any level to take your highest paid member of the secondary and put him at Strong Safety when your #2 and #3 corners have proven that they cannot cover #1 receivers.

This isn't fantasy land, this is the NFL and Springs is the [B]only[/B] player on our team who has shown that he can cover a #1.

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[quote=DGreen28;288791]CBs Smoot, Rogers, Jimoh
Safeties Taylor, Springs, Prioleau

If Vincent can play safety. I know Springs can[/quote]

Vincent was cut almost a month ago, and Jimoh as our #3 CB is a scary thought.

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[quote=RMSkins;288807]Vincent was cut almost a month ago, and Jimoh as our #3 CB is a scary thought.[/quote]

We would be better off blitzing him every down if he was the nickelback.

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[quote=Grim21Reaper;288804]I want to see one explanation how the Redskins would be better by taking Springs off the other team's best receiver and putting him at safety.

I don't want to hear about health, I want to know why it would make sense on any level to take your highest paid member of the secondary and put him at Strong Safety when your #2 and #3 corners have proven that they cannot cover #1 receivers.

This isn't fantasy land, this is the NFL and Springs is the [B]only[/B] player on our team who has shown that he can cover a #1.[/quote]

i agree with you. i like both rogers and smoot but neither one has shown they can cover a teams #1 wr. springs, on the other hand, is a top 5 cb when healthy.