Pastabelly bashes J. Gibbs
 

What a jerk!


Then again, money doesn't always translate into success.

At about $5.7 million per year, Gibbs is one of the NFL's top five highest-paid coaches, but it hasn't bought him a fourth Super Bowl ring. Three seasons into his second incarnation as the Redskins' coach, Gibbs has, to this point, proven to be an ordinary Joe, with a record of 22-28 and just one postseason victory.


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[quote=SonnySamFrank;293361]What a jerk!


Then again, money doesn't always translate into success.

At about $5.7 million per year, Gibbs is one of the NFL's top five highest-paid coaches, but it hasn't bought him a fourth Super Bowl ring. Three seasons into his second incarnation as the Redskins' coach, Gibbs has, to this point, proven to be an ordinary Joe, with a record of 22-28 and just one postseason victory.


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[URL="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=pasquarelli_len&id=2818736"]ESPN.com - NFL - Pasquarelli: Why coach? It just "gets in your blood"[/URL][/quote]

Well, at this point in Gibbs rebirth, he is right.... but I do want to point out Dick Vermill (I know I can't spell)..... He seemed to flounder with the Rams for several years and then suddenly CLICK..... The Greatest Show on Turf.

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I wouldn't take that personally. As happy as I am that he is our coach right now, because I believe he is restoring our franchise (albeit slowly), the numbers don't point to success in the past three years.

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Really, the only reason he wrote that is that when Gibbs came back LP said in three years he would just be an "ordinary Joe." So really he just wanted an excuse to stick that in some article to basically say "I told ya so"

JG will get the last laugh

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I don't think there is anything that bad in the article. You can't exactly praise the second coming of Gibbs....yet.

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[quote=SonnySamFrank;293361]What a jerk!


Then again, money doesn't always translate into success.

At about $5.7 million per year, Gibbs is one of the NFL's top five highest-paid coaches, but it hasn't bought him a fourth Super Bowl ring. Three seasons into his second incarnation as the Redskins' coach, Gibbs has, to this point, proven to be an ordinary Joe, with a record of 22-28 and just one postseason victory.


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[URL="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=pasquarelli_len&id=2818736"]ESPN.com - NFL - Pasquarelli: Why coach? It just "gets in your blood"[/URL][/quote]

Why is he a jerk? Guy it the story right on the money. 22-28 plus all the terrible FO moves. So far it's not very good. The truth hurts.

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Yes, the only reason people are not slamming Gibbs here in DC is because we know what he is capable of and still believe.

Not that this would happen, but imagine if Gibbs has 2 more bad years.... what do you think the fans would say then?

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Oh, just think of this as Pastabelly being in the grocery store and getting free samples of sesame chicken from the little old lady at the frozen foods section. Once the samples are gone and he has to start paying for it, you won't see him anymore. Just like when Gibbs and company get all the kinks worked out, the only complaint Pasta will have is that the Redskins didn't beat their opponents by more than 50 points a ball game!

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Gibbs record is what it is right now. I'm not denying that, I'm just tired of Fatty P constantly throwing digs out there. Seriously, this guy is like a spoiled child. He just can't stop himself.

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opinions are like assholes, everyone has one, last i checked tons-a-fun opinion mean nada to me, so let the fat bastard run his trap while i plan how i wanna celebrate the skins sb XLII win

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No worries! This guy is a clown.

There is only one way to prove em wrong! Joe will prove he's no ordinary Joe!

STAY TUNED! IT'S TIMES LIKE THIS WHEN JOE REALLY GETS THE MOST OUTTA HIS TEAMS!

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Its funny how they talk about JG calling him an "ordinary Joe" but on the other hand Bills Parcell quit and didn't win any superbowl in his cowboy comeback he's called one of the greatest coaches ever.... PLEASE!

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Gibbs is done, I'll be happy when he's gone.

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[quote=Daseal;293401]Gibbs is done, I'll be happy when he's gone.[/quote]
Great leaders are never "done". It may take some time to "right the ship", but we did make the playoffs in 2005. Let's look at JG's track record: 3 Superbowl wins and 4 SB appearances in 11 years, with 3 different QBs, then transitioning to NASCAR and winning two Championships with different drivers. These championships are testaments to a man who can build and lead a team (with not necessarily the best talent) to victory.
The dynamics of building an NFL team have changed greatly since JG's first run, (salary cap) and the mess the Skins were in can't be fixed overnight (ownership change, coaching changes, Free Agent mistakes by the Daniel). But those of us who remember the 80s firsthand will have optimism as long as JG is here.

P.S. If ESPN sacked Joey T. from MNF, why the hell do they still let Pastabelly spew his crap, the guy is a fat, pompus idiot.

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Oh, Joe Gibbs is trying to fix the salary cap mess? I didn't realize that with all of the high priced free agents he's gone after (minus this year). Snyder made mistakes far before Gibbs came back, everything points to him having very little say in the overall player acquisition process. The people who bring in these players are Gibbs and to a lesser extent G Will. Gibbs has been in "win now" mode since he got here (notice lack of any draft picks, trading up every year, etc). Yes, we made the playoffs one year, riding the coat tails of an awesome G Williams defense. I think it's hard to mark that up to Gibbs pathetic offense.

I've given Gibbs three years and I'm not impressed. I'll give him one more reluctantly, but people need to stop living in the glory years and look at Gibbs stint for what it is now. Erase his name and type in Joe Blow everyone here would be calling for his head because of the multiple bad decisions and basic lack of winning.

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[quote=Daseal;293406]Oh, Joe Gibbs is trying to fix the salary cap mess? I didn't realize that with all of the high priced free agents he's gone after (minus this year). Snyder made mistakes far before Gibbs came back, everything points to him having very little say in the overall player acquisition process. The people who bring in these players are Gibbs and to a lesser extent G Will. Gibbs has been in "win now" mode since he got here (notice lack of any draft picks, trading up every year, etc). Yes, we made the playoffs one year, riding the coat tails of an awesome G Williams defense. I think it's hard to mark that up to Gibbs pathetic offense.

I've given Gibbs three years and I'm not impressed. I'll give him one more reluctantly, but people need to stop living in the glory years and look at Gibbs stint for what it is now. Erase his name and type in Joe Blow everyone here would be calling for his head because of the multiple bad decisions and basic lack of winning.[/quote]Which sample size are you going to trust? A ten year stint resulting in unparalleled success, or a three year sample resulting in mixed results? Which one would you draw your conclusion from?

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Your sample size reference there is awful. I can't think of a single profession that changes as much as pro football. How long was Gibbs gone again? No one can take away what he did in DC all those years ago, but this isn't the same man. This is a completely different era, and from what I can see he still doesn't get it quite yet.

If you want to judge him on his whole body of work even with that huge gap, go for it. However, I'm judging him on two different works. His first stint, and this stint. If you want to keep a coach around forever and keep losing because he used to be awesome, go for it. Personally, I'd like to not watch a losing team every year. That means a relatively young coach who can start grooming the team in the right direction and not be forced into "you must win now" type of mentality.

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unfortunately, Gibbs does not have a magic wand, nor has he been able to bottle his former success. However, despite the critics, I can't think of anyone better at this time I'd rather have coaching the team.

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[quote=Daseal;293409]Your sample size reference there is awful. I can't think of a single profession that changes as much as pro football. How long was Gibbs gone again? No one can take away what he did in DC all those years ago, but this isn't the same man. This is a completely different era, and from what I can see he still doesn't get it quite yet.

If you want to judge him on his whole body of work even with that huge gap, go for it. However, I'm judging him on two different works. His first stint, and this stint. If you want to keep a coach around forever and keep losing because he used to be awesome, go for it. Personally, I'd like to not watch a losing team every year. That means a relatively young coach who can start grooming the team in the right direction and not be forced into "you must win now" type of mentality.[/quote]


First of all name one team that thinks it's OK TO LOSS NOW? OK BESIDES THE...RAIDERS
Of course he's tryin to win now....why wait till latter. I think last year was a huge suprise to all coming off a playoff birth in 05. Due to alot of key injuries and yes some bad personel desissions, it is what it is.

Back to Joe. This is what makes Joe the GREAT COACH he is, being able to come back from this type of advertisity, and moving the team to being better than anyone thought.

STAY TUNED. HE WILL GET IT DONE!

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I hope you're right, but I doubt it. Fine, it's not okay to loss(sic) now in any situation. But there's a difference between winning now and building a team. Winning now means he's putting something together which chances are we'll have to break apart shortly after he leaves because we can't afford it. Constantly moving up (Campbell, Rocky, etc, etc), getting huge free agents, etc.

Say what you will about the raiders, but they had the #3 overall D in the league and they were on the field 50% more than the #1 and #2 defenses. So their defense is nasty, if they put up 14 points a game, they'll do just fine.

We all have our opinions, but I think a lot of people are blinded by the legend of Joe Gibbs and fail to accurately describe what he is NOW.

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[quote=Daseal;293416]I hope you're right, but I doubt it. Fine, it's not okay to loss(sic) now in any situation. But there's a difference between winning now and building a team. Winning now means he's putting something together which chances are we'll have to break apart shortly after he leaves because we can't afford it. Constantly moving up (Campbell, Rocky, etc, etc), getting huge free agents, etc.

Say what you will about the raiders, but they had the #3 overall D in the league and they were on the field 50% more than the #1 and #2 defenses. So their defense is nasty, if they put up 14 points a game, they'll do just fine.

We all have our opinions, but I think a lot of people are blinded by the legend of Joe Gibbs and fail to accurately describe what he is NOW.[/quote]

I see on your profile that you are only 23. I give you the benefit of the doubt for your comments. You're just simply not old enough to remember what joy and excitement Gibbs brought the first time around. That's why people still believe in him even after 3 indifferent years so far into his comeback. I always say we just don't realize how lucky we are to have him, one of the truest legends the game has ever produced.

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[quote=Daseal;293406]Oh, Joe Gibbs is trying to fix the salary cap mess? I didn't realize that with all of the high priced free agents he's gone after (minus this year). Snyder made mistakes far before Gibbs came back, everything points to him having very little say in the overall player acquisition process. The people who bring in these players are Gibbs and to a lesser extent G Will. Gibbs has been in "win now" mode since he got here (notice lack of any draft picks, trading up every year, etc). Yes, we made the playoffs one year, riding the coat tails of an awesome G Williams defense. I think it's hard to mark that up to Gibbs pathetic offense.

I've given Gibbs three years and I'm not impressed. I'll give him one more reluctantly, but people need to stop living in the glory years and look at Gibbs stint for what it is now. Erase his name and type in Joe Blow everyone here would be calling for his head because of the multiple bad decisions and basic lack of winning.[/quote]

I feel your pain and believe me the last 13 or so years have been very little fun for any of us. I don't think we should keep him around forever but keep in mind the diffenece between 10-6 and 6-10 is often seconds or inches. 1 playoff appearance out of three years back is not what we want, but it's not terrible either. If JG hasn't turned this around by the end of his contract (2 more years) then I will be on your side of the fence in this argument....patience my young Padawan

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[quote=Daseal;293409]Your sample size reference there is awful. I can't think of a single profession that changes as much as pro football. How long was Gibbs gone again? No one can take away what he did in DC all those years ago, but this isn't the same man. This is a completely different era, and from what I can see he still doesn't get it quite yet.

If you want to judge him on his whole body of work even with that huge gap, go for it. However, I'm judging him on two different works. His first stint, and this stint. If you want to keep a coach around forever and keep losing because he used to be awesome, go for it. Personally, I'd like to not watch a losing team every year. That means a relatively young coach who can start grooming the team in the right direction and not be forced into "you must win now" type of mentality.[/quote]Honestly, what coach wouldn't be losing with the roster we have right now?

Gibbs is the same guy he was in his first stint. I believe it's reasonable to say that there are a lot more good coaches around today than there were during his first stint, and thus the edge he gives is not nearly as great, but he hasn't exactly forgotten how to work hard in the time he was away.

Game is simple really for a coach, have the best players, make the right decisions, hope you win the game. The difference in factor between the leagues best coach and worst coach may not even be enough to decide even a game over a 16 game season.

Maybe Gibbs was just a guy who was in the right place at the right time in the 80's, but certainly he is no worse off as a coach now then then.

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[quote=GTripp0012;293430]Honestly, what coach wouldn't be losing with the roster we have right now?

Gibbs is the same guy he was in his first stint. I believe it's reasonable to say that there are a lot more good coaches around today than there were during his first stint, and thus the edge he gives is not nearly as great, but he hasn't exactly forgotten how to work hard in the time he was away.

Game is simple really for a coach, have the best players, make the right decisions, hope you win the game. The difference in factor between the leagues best coach and worst coach may not even be enough to decide even a game over a 16 game season.

Maybe Gibbs was just a guy who was in the right place at the right time in the 80's, but certainly he is no worse off as a coach now then then.[/quote]

He's not the same guy at all. In 04 he was terrible and if you ask me that's when we should have had an OC that had at least been calling plays in the NFL.. Sorry but you don't walk away from the NFL for 11 years and all of a sudden come back and start running an offense. And the results showed. If we had any kind of offense in 04 we would have been a playoff team. He was running HS offense in 04. Totally didn't know how to use Portis at all. His clock mgt is also really bad. That's been a problem it seems all three years. Constant calling of TO's is real bad. Conservative play calling hasn't helped either.

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[QUOTE=SonnySamFrank;293361]What a jerk!


Then again, money doesn't always translate into success.

At about $5.7 million per year, Gibbs is one of the NFL's top five highest-paid coaches, but it hasn't bought him a fourth Super Bowl ring. Three seasons into his second incarnation as the Redskins' coach, Gibbs has, to this point, proven to be an ordinary Joe, with a record of 22-28 and just one postseason victory.


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Parcels had no playoff wins in his 4 years in Dallas. No one ever takes a shot at him though...

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I have confidence in people who have had success in most of their prior endeavors. I recall reading that Gibbs had a lot of success in things besides football before joining the Redskins. (I'm sorry, but I don't remember what. Can someone elaborate?) Then he was successful with the Redskins. After that he went to Nascar. It took him a while to learn the ropes, but he ended up winning two titles. Now he's back. As in Nascar, it might take him a while to get back up to speed, but I would be very surprised if he doesn't manage to get this team going in the right direction.

I think a lot depends on Shawn Springs. When he went down last year no one was in position. For those who think he won't play most of the season, here's his stats for games played over his career from nflplayers.com (excluding last year).
'98: 10
'99,'00,'01: 16 each year
'02: 15
'03: 12
'04, '05: 15

Last year they discovered he needed surgery just before the season, so of course they lost him for much of the year. I would expect he would play 12-15 games the coming year and the defense should return to their accustomed level.

Last year the defense destroyed the team. But they should be okay, since picking up Smoot gives them a shot if Springs is out. Remember, 2 years ago they only lost one regular-season game by more than a TD, and that was without the offensive weapons of now. I'll give Gibbs a mulligan for last year. Let's see what happens this year, when the offense should be able to get on the field more than once a quarter.

(I'm sorry if the last part of this is disjointed; my 7-month-old daughter is screaming in my ear. She'll become a Redskins fan yet!)

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I'm sure he will eat those words........plus a whole lot other stuff, too.

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[quote=skinsfan69;293439]He's not the same guy at all. In 04 he was terrible and if you ask me that's when we should have had an OC that had at least been calling plays in the NFL.. Sorry but you don't walk away from the NFL for 11 years and all of a sudden come back and start running an offense. And the results showed. If we had any kind of offense in 04 we would have been a playoff team. He was running HS offense in 04. Totally didn't know how to use Portis at all. His clock mgt is also really bad. That's been a problem it seems all three years. Constant calling of TO's is real bad. Conservative play calling hasn't helped either.[/quote]

No kiddin. In 04 it was a big learning curve, as we all saw. So what, that was to be expected.

How did you like 05????? Haven't seen REAL SKIN FANS like that in many years, a playoff birth had this town going crazy, when all the writers/ TARDS said we couldn't get there!

Last year, MANY INJURIES! some FA moves that were bad and an overall horrible defense, and a new offensive cord., flash back remember how Al's first year went in KC? How bout his second? Yea, that's the one folks remember.

To sum this up people that have been around Joe Gibbs long enough understand, when the chips are down he's the man for the job PERIOD! There is NOBOBY out there any better to have control of this football team, espicially now! If anybody can get it done, HE'S THE MAN!

There is no fluke to THREE SUPERBOWL CHAMPIONSHIPS AND THE HALL OF FAME! He will get the job done that he started.....FACTOID!

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[quote=skinsfan_nn;293466]No kiddin. In 04 it was a big learning curve, as we all saw. So what, that was to be expected.

How did you like 05????? Haven't seen REAL SKIN FANS like that in many years, a playoff birth had this town going crazy, when all the writers/ TARDS said we couldn't get there!

Last year, MANY INJURIES! some FA moves that were bad and an overall horrible defense, and a new offensive cord., flash back remember how Al's first year went in KC? How bout his second? Yea, that's the one folks remember.

To sum this up people that have been around Joe Gibbs long enough understand, when the chips are down he's the man for the job PERIOD! There is NOBOBY out there any better to have control of this football team, espicially now! If anybody can get it done, HE'S THE MAN!

There is no fluke to THREE SUPERBOWL CHAMPIONSHIPS AND THE HALL OF FAME! He will get the job done that he started.....FACTOID![/quote]

Yes, the guy you were responding to failed to mention '05. I think Gibbs playcalling was great that season and the only reason why it wasn't as effective in the playoffs was due to injuries. I expect a big time bounce back next season, I will even go as so far to say 11 or 12 wins!

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Yes, every year we have injury problems, and the next year everything is grand. Sorry. Until I actually see something I'm not buying it. As I said, replace Gibbs with any other surname and I bet this is a drastically different discussion.

I hope you're referring to me not being a skins fan. Keep drinking the kool-aid buddy. I'm watching every game, go to as many as I can afford, and follow the skins religiously. Just because I try to do my best to see the skins for what they are, it doesn't mean I'm not a fan. I'm glad what we did in '05, however, as I mentioned before we rode our defense all the way, and Portis on the offensive side of the ball.

Say what you want. Winner winner winner. Over the last three year Gibbs has lost.

As far as this team having talent, what are you smoking? This team is loaded with talent. Certainly we don't have a ton of depth, and besides D line, I can't think of huge positions of need.

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[quote=Daseal;293478]Yes, every year we have injury problems, and the next year everything is grand. Sorry. Until I actually see something I'm not buying it. As I said, replace Gibbs with any other surname and I bet this is a drastically different discussion.

I hope you're referring to me not being a skins fan. Keep drinking the kool-aid buddy. I'm watching every game, go to as many as I can afford, and follow the skins religiously. Just because I try to do my best to see the skins for what they are, it doesn't mean I'm not a fan. I'm glad what we did in '05, however, as I mentioned before we rode our defense all the way, and Portis on the offensive side of the ball.

Say what you want. Winner winner winner. Over the last three year Gibbs has lost.

As far as this team having talent, what are you smoking? This team is loaded with talent. Certainly we don't have a ton of depth, and besides D line, I can't think of huge positions of need.[/quote]Cynical does not necessarily equal objective though.

I've noticed that in a lot of your posts, you tend to use phases along the lines of, "not buying it until I actually see something". I've been wondering for awhile now...what exactly is it that you are waiting to "see". Obviously, a dominant month of December resulting in a 10-6 overall record against the 2nd toughest schedule in the NFL didn't show you enough. What are you waiting to see from this organization and this coaching staff?

Over the last three years Gibbs has lost? Well, outside of being a blatently incorrect statement, I'm not sure what you are saying here. The Redskins record over the last three years has produced more losses than wins over a three year period...so Gibbs is incapable of winning? I think you are really grasping for straws here.

I don't understand why people waste time saying stuff like, "replace Gibbs with any other surname and I bet this is a drastically different discussion". Well, yeah, obviously. The thing about that is his name is Gibbs, he's probably not changing it anytime soon. The name comes with a proven successful track record. Earned, not handed to him. "What if it wasn't Gibbs" is an irrelivant argument, in part due to the fact that, well, it is Gibbs.

Having talent doesn't mean a whole lot when most teams you play have more than you.

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[quote=GTripp0012;293492]Cynical does not necessarily equal objective though.

I've noticed that in a lot of your posts, you tend to use phases along the lines of, "not buying it until I actually see something". I've been wondering for awhile now...what exactly is it that you are waiting to "see". Obviously, a dominant month of December resulting in a 10-6 overall record against the 2nd toughest schedule in the NFL didn't show you enough. What are you waiting to see from this organization and this coaching staff?

Over the last three years Gibbs has lost? Well, outside of being a blatently incorrect statement, I'm not sure what you are saying here. The Redskins record over the last three years has produced more losses than wins over a three year period...so Gibbs is incapable of winning? I think you are really grasping for straws here.

I don't understand why people waste time saying stuff like, "replace Gibbs with any other surname and I bet this is a drastically different discussion". Well, yeah, obviously. The thing about that is his name is Gibbs, he's probably not changing it anytime soon. The name comes with a proven successful track record. Earned, not handed to him. "What if it wasn't Gibbs" is an irrelivant argument, in part due to the fact that, well, it is Gibbs.

Having talent doesn't mean a whole lot when most teams you play have more than you.[/quote]

Gibbs is the best coach this team has had since, um, Gibbs. Pettibone, Turner, Schottenheimer, and Spurrier couldn't hold a candle to this guy. I think our young friend is hoping that we get someone like a Sean Payton or Eric Mangini. What he doesn't realize, however, is that those guys have only been with their respective team's just one season. Let's just see how those guys handle the tough times, and if they can continue being successful in the fickle NFL. Gibbs has proven what he can do in the long run, and it's a pretty sterling record! Remember the phrase, "it's not a sprint, it's a marathon."

P.S. I know what some of you will say, "Well Gibbs isn't here for the long run!" What I'm saying is the man know's how to handle adversity.

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I agree with both you folks nc & gtrip.

This thread is like pissing in the wind. If anyone doesn't know enough about Joe Gibbs, PAST & PRESENT, and the knowledge and know how to turn around an organization that he has. They are clueless.

Stick with the one of the Greatest coachs to ever coach this game, he will prove these na sayers 100% wrong, very quietly. You can NEVER underestimate Joe, soon as you do he will make you look like a FOOL!

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Not a Pastabelly or SI fan at all, but I don't think Gibbs is going to right the ship to the point of another glorious era like 1982-1992. Fact of the matter is the FO screwed up too badly during Spurrier, then on top of that Gibbs and the FO messed it up more. We wasted 2 potential playoff seasons by Gibbs keeping Brunell in for far too long when Mark stunk up the place something terrible. In '04 he put Patrick in a few games too late, when a couple more victories could have meant playoffs, same thing with JC last season. The moves via Free Agency have been a mixed bag at best, but overall a big waste in $$$$$$$. Archuleta, Patten, the FA D linemen we have, etc are total busts. Brunell is the biggest bust of all, costing us what should have been the aforementioned 2 playoff seasons, when on paper we were a powerhouse that should have annihilated the other teams in our division(especially Dallas). Now Lloyd looks to be a future bust unless he gets it going this season, and Portis is going to be a 50+ million dollar part time player with Betts getting about half the carries probably. Don't get me going on the draft. Only decent draft we have had IMHO during Gibbs II was when we traded up for the first 2 rounders in JC and Rogers. THe other drafts made us look like we didn't have a clue or any concrete plan to utilize it to build a team.

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[quote=Daseal;293406]Oh, Joe Gibbs is trying to fix the salary cap mess? I didn't realize that with all of the high priced free agents he's gone after (minus this year). Snyder made mistakes far before Gibbs came back, everything points to him having very little say in the overall player acquisition process. The people who bring in these players are Gibbs and to a lesser extent G Will. Gibbs has been in "win now" mode since he got here (notice lack of any draft picks, trading up every year, etc). Yes, we made the playoffs one year, riding the coat tails of an awesome G Williams defense. I think it's hard to mark that up to Gibbs pathetic offense.

I've given Gibbs three years and I'm not impressed. I'll give him one more reluctantly, but people need to stop living in the glory years and look at Gibbs stint for what it is now. Erase his name and type in Joe Blow everyone here would be calling for his head because of the multiple bad decisions and basic lack of winning.[/quote]

just cuz you weren't around or were too young to remember his first tenure here does not mean he wont pull it off.. Grow up! Joe Gibbs will never be erased.. THANK YOU

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[quote=GusFrerotte;293501]Not a Pastabelly or SI fan at all, but I don't think Gibbs is going to right the ship to the point of another glorious era like 1982-1992. Fact of the matter is the FO screwed up too badly during Spurrier, then on top of that Gibbs and the FO messed it up more. We wasted 2 potential playoff seasons by Gibbs keeping Brunell in for far too long when Mark stunk up the place something terrible. In '04 he put Patrick in a few games too late, when a couple more victories could have meant playoffs, same thing with JC last season. The moves via Free Agency have been a mixed bag at best, but overall a big waste in $$$$$$$. Archuleta, Patten, the FA D linemen we have, etc are total busts. Brunell is the biggest bust of all, costing us what should have been the aforementioned 2 playoff seasons, when on paper we were a powerhouse that should have annihilated the other teams in our division(especially Dallas). Now Lloyd looks to be a future bust unless he gets it going this season, and Portis is going to be a 50+ million dollar part time player with Betts getting about half the carries probably. Don't get me going on the draft. Only decent draft we have had IMHO during Gibbs II was when we traded up for the first 2 rounders in JC and Rogers. THe other drafts made us look like we didn't have a clue or any concrete plan to utilize it to build a team.[/quote]

With a screen name like Gus Frerotte, we have to MUTE you!
Just remember teams don't play on paper, paper doesn't mean jack. Brunell did lead the offense in 05 to the playoffs, and yea Joe Gibbs was also the Coach then to. You left alot of important info out of your book?
Get off the bus GUS.

GIBBS RULES!

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[quote=Daseal;293478]Yes, every year we have injury problems, and the next year everything is grand. Sorry. Until I actually see something I'm not buying it. As I said, replace Gibbs with any other surname and I bet this is a drastically different discussion.

I hope you're referring to me not being a skins fan. Keep drinking the kool-aid buddy. I'm watching every game, go to as many as I can afford, and follow the skins religiously. Just because I try to do my best to see the skins for what they are, it doesn't mean I'm not a fan. I'm glad what we did in '05, however, as I mentioned before we rode our defense all the way, and Portis on the offensive side of the ball.

Say what you want. Winner winner winner. Over the last three year Gibbs has lost.


As far as this team having talent, what are you smoking? This team is loaded with talent. Certainly we don't have a ton of depth, and besides D line, I can't think of huge positions of need.[/quote]

well isnt that what happens when you have injuries and your DEPTH has to come in and play which it didnt.
Name a coach that hasnt lost in the last 3 seasons, you cant can you?

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[QUOTE=Daseal;293478]Yes, every year we have injury problems, and the next year everything is grand. Sorry. Until I actually see something I'm not buying it. As I said, replace Gibbs with any other surname and I bet this is a drastically different discussion.

I hope you're referring to me not being a skins fan. Keep drinking the kool-aid buddy. I'm watching every game, go to as many as I can afford, and follow the skins religiously. Just because I try to do my best to see the skins for what they are, it doesn't mean I'm not a fan. I'm glad what we did in '05, however, as I mentioned before we rode our defense all the way, and Portis on the offensive side of the ball.

Say what you want. Winner winner winner. Over the last three year Gibbs has lost.

As far as this team having talent, what are you smoking? This team is loaded with talent. Certainly we don't have a ton of depth, and besides D line, I can't think of huge positions of need.[/QUOTE]

Randy Moss has talent...what's your point? The point is, every player in this league apparently has the talent to play in the pros, but it comes down to the right coaches bringing them along the right way. Nobody saw last year's let down coming, neither did you. Maybe you had hoped for such in order to say to us older fans, "I told you so," but sorry, we know better. Gibbs is a far better organizer of a franchise than Spurrier or any other coach we have had. It is not going to happen over night, and if it did..then we'd really have to wonder what was up with the other coaches we had in between the two Gibbs' eras. Apparently, they were far worse at coaching than what we had given them credit for. And as far as loaded with talent, it's a bit contradictory to say we're loaded with talent, but lack depth. That doesn't make any sense?? How can we be loaded with talent but lack depth?

The truth is, Gibbs still has it and will prove it this year. If he doesn't make a believer out of you, then fine. But, the game of football, albeit a change in rules here and there, is still played the same way it was in his first tenure. Gibbs still has the tools, you just have to learn patience.

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Here’s a write up as to why I don’t trust Gibbs, in the current arangement to turn the skins back into a winner. First of all, let me say I think this is his last year regardless. If he does poorly I think he’s done in the NFL, and if he does well I think he’ll hand over the reigns and it will look as if he righted the franchise, only time would tell if that’s the case. Every year I hear how the Redskins will either a) Go to the playoffs; b) go far in the playoffs; c) Win the Superbowl. Every year I’m skeptical, every year, except this one I buy in. Last year I thought we’d get a wildcard spot in the playoffs and maybe win one game. I was just as far off as most other people, but I refuse to buy the hype anymore.

I think Joe Gibbs has a few major problems as a coach in this era. I feel he hasn’t yet adjusted, and at this point I’m not sure if he will. It doesn’t all have to do with coaching, but I will explain all of my points below.
1) Joe Gibbs lacks the killer instinct. He fails miserably in finishing teams. How many times have we had a lead, run it three times up the middle, punted, and lost the game? The answer is far too many. I’m not saying go balls to the wall in that situation. High percentage passes, mix up the runs, attempt to get the first down. If we don’t give them the ball back, they don’t have a chance. Often times by that point our defense is exhausted from being on the field the whole time.
2) Joe Gibbs in the front office. This doesn’t just go on Joe Gibbs, I don’t feel any coach should have these responsibilities. While some coaches pull it off (such as Andy Reid) the vast majority of coaches can’t. I simply think being a head coach is enough work without having to worry about overseeing scouting, player acquisition, etc. This isn’t to say the coaches shouldn’t be involved in some sense, but most of the work should go to a GM or whatever system the FO sets up.
3) Too willing to give away draft picks like candy. We’re constantly trading up and acting like draft picks are worth nothing. While I think you can often get a very solid veteran for a reasonable draft pick and often it’s a good deal, I’m much more concerned with the fact that we’re constantly trading up in the draft. For instance, do we really feel that trading up for Rocky was worth it? Unless we felt he was a real impact player, then we should have held fast. Even worse than that is how we seem to always give up more than we have to when it comes to trading.

As far as what I think of Gibbs proving something to me. That means consistency from year to year. I’d like to see us build on success from a previous year. We went from a solid [b]regular season[/b] finish in 2005, but we came into 2006 flat and never got it together. I put this on Joe Gibbs. I find many of his decisions questionable both in games and when it comes to other facets of the game.

Yes, keep harping on my age. You can be 85 years old and still not know anything about football. I’ve never claimed myself an expert, and I often have strong opinions that people don’t agree with. However, I’m also right more often than I am wrong. I feel that the only thing I remember from Gibbs’ first stint is how much candy 200 bucks buys from winning the pool for vs the Bills is an asset. I’m not blinded by what he did in the past. I’m taking nothing away from what Gibbs did back in his hay day, but it’s a new era and you can’t take a man who has been out of the league for 11 years and act like his resume just continues without a hiccup.

Trust me, I hope more than anyone else that I’m wrong. But I don’t feel Gibbs relates to athletes anymore. He seems like the senile old grandfather when they go into the locker room and show footage. I’m worried he doesn’t connect with the players, and I feel he doesn’t use players correctly. If Gibbs has a great season next year, feel free to bring this thread back up and I’ll eat crow. However, I don’t expect that to be the case.

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[quote] Name a coach that hasnt lost in the last 3 seasons, you cant can you?[/quote]
Actually, I can name eight. Dungy, Belichick, Schottenheimer, Shanahan, Holmgren, Lewis, Cowher, and Del Rio (Bengals, Steelers, and the Jags all had at least 1 8-8 season, but that’s not losing). That’s a quarter of the league. Surprised?

[quote]Randy Moss has talent...what's your point? The point is, every player in this league apparently has the talent to play in the pros, but it comes down to the right coaches bringing them along the right way.[/quote]
Uh, thanks? This is exactly what I'm saying. Why isn't Gibbs able to bring these guys around and develop the talent we have?

[quote]The truth is, Gibbs still has it and will prove it this year. If he doesn't make a believer out of you, then fine. But, the game of football, albeit a change in rules here and there, is still played the same way it was in his first tenure. Gibbs still has the tools, you just have to learn patience.[/quote]
The game has changed significantly since Gibbs left and he's so much as admitted it. I think three full years is patient. How many coaches get three years to go about their business with a losing record not having to worry about thier job? Not many. Three years is the typical grace period for coaches now days. He's getting a fourth with open arms, but I feel if he doesn't do it, he's in deep trouble.

I know everyone here is biased, but I guarantee you a majority of the football community agrees with me more than you.