1999-2000 Penn State Lions
 

I know I going to light a few fires with this thread, but please remember this is only for discussion purposes...
Recently I was reflecting on Lavar Arrington and his health problems (injuries), and how he went from a force in the league (supposedly the next LT) to a failed 1st rounder that was cut twice. I also began to think about Courtney Brown and how he too had his body break down on him, basically destroying his career. It made me think... a similar breakdown of thier bodies just like Barry Bonds after he stopped taking the juice, so I began to wonder?

My point being, do any of you think Steroids played a role on that college athletic program because for 2 tremendous atheletes from the same program from the same draft have their bodies breakdown so bad it raises an eyebrow... I 'm not saying Lavar or Courtney were on steroids, I have no proof, but I just want to see what others think

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Injuries happen. I think if you dig deep enough you'd see plenty of players that come from the same schools with injuries, I don't see any reason to be suspicious in this case.

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I think while injuries do occur, I certainly wouldn't rule out steriods. It's one thing to make accusations and another to say possibility.

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I had my suspiscions about Lavar as well, but I have no proof. I stated as much in a few posts about a year ago after he left our team. He was mentioned a couple of times on ESPN when the whole steriods scandal intially broke but nothing has ever been said about again. Anyway you never know in this day an age in sports.

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It was just the joint injuries that made me wonder, I've heard that those are key areas that break down after using steroids. Like Matty it could be coincedence...

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You do realize that, unlike baseball, football is a game involving violent collisions right?

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I wouldn't be surprised if steroids were involved. I think we underestimate as a whole how deep the steroid and especially HGH goes in pro sports. While I feel football tries to do the best as far as testing and finding steroids I think it could improve.

I'm not sure about college testing, but wasn't there an article where some unnamed NFL player said something like 50% of players use performance enhancing types of drugs? Maybe it was just offensive linemen. LaVar always had his problems, when we changed to a scheme where he had to actually stay in position is when he started to fall apart.

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Yeah, you are right. These guys clearly were on the stuff. But why stop there? What about Gale Sayers too? 6 seasons and done? Come on man, that guy was juiced up. And don't even get me started on Bo Jackson. Finally, OJ Simpson, what was his nickname? Next thing you know he is spassing out and two people are dead. Coincidence? Not coincidence, proof.

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[quote=djnemo65;294096]Yeah, you are right. These guys clearly were on the stuff. But why stop there? What about Gale Sayers too? 6 seasons and done? Come on man, that guy was juiced up. And don't even get me started on Bo Jackson. Finally, OJ Simpson, what was his nickname? Next thing you know he is spassing out and two people are dead. Coincidence? Not coincidence, proof.[/quote]

ok man

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Like I said before I'm not putting out accusations but it is something that in hind sight now you have to ask.

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I am just more shocked than anything at Arrington's fall from glory 3-4 years ago he was the face of our team

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A chronic knee problem coupled with an achilles injury will take down the best of players. Sucks for LaVar but these things happen.

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I'm just sensitive because it's my alma matter. If it was two Ohio State or Nebraska players you were talking about I'm sure I'd be calling for investigations. BTW Diehard, are you a Pitt guy?:cheeky-sm

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no, most of my family is from Pittsburgh and are Pitt alumns also Penn state Alumns. It just sucked for those guys because both of them had so much promise and its like what happened ya know... I went to college in New Olreans so I am unbiast one way or the other

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[quote=diehardskin2982;294078]I know I going to light a few fires with this thread, but please remember this is only for discussion purposes...
Recently I was reflecting on Lavar Arrington and his health problems (injuries), and how he went from a force in the league (supposedly the next LT) to a failed 1st rounder that was cut twice. I also began to think about Courtney Brown and how he too had his body break down on him, basically destroying his career. It made me think... a similar breakdown of thier bodies just like Barry Bonds after he stopped taking the juice, so I began to wonder?

My point being, do any of you think Steroids played a role on that college athletic program because for 2 tremendous atheletes from the same program from the same draft have their bodies breakdown so bad it raises an eyebrow... I 'm not saying Lavar or Courtney were on steroids, I have no proof, but I just want to see what others think[/quote]

Nope! Steriods don't make your tendons stronger. These two guys just had some bad luck with injuries.

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[quote=djnemo65;294096]Yeah, you are right. These guys clearly were on the stuff. But why stop there? What about Gale Sayers too? 6 seasons and done? Come on man, that guy was juiced up. And don't even get me started on Bo Jackson. Finally, OJ Simpson, what was his nickname? Next thing you know he is spassing out and two people are dead. Coincidence? Not coincidence, proof.[/quote]

If the glove doesn't fit then you must ah-quit.

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[quote=djnemo65;294096]Yeah, you are right. These guys clearly were on the stuff. But why stop there? What about Gale Sayers too? 6 seasons and done? Come on man, that guy was juiced up. And don't even get me started on Bo Jackson. Finally, OJ Simpson, what was his nickname? Next thing you know he is spassing out and two people are dead. Coincidence? Not coincidence, proof.[/quote]

:smashfrea:rofl::laughing-:iamwithst

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Steriods? Naw, I don't think so. It's going to happen when your slamming your 200+ pound body, into another 200+ pound body. I think with a full season to recoup, and train Lavar would still be a force. I think he's slacked off in training, and his body is paying the price for it. When LT was playing, it was thier life to play football, everything else came second. With the money these guys make, they play football to finace the rest of thier life.

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I wasn't necessarily saying Brown/Arrington took steroids, and if they did I'd bet it wasn't till the NFL. I simply think we underestimate the amount of steroids and HGH in the league right now.

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i took steriods for 10 years and look where it got me:

[img]http://www.mashby.com/images/posts/skinny_kid.gif[/img]

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It's pretty much a MUTE point. You'll NEVER know if they did or not!
What do you think one or any of these guys is gonna do stand up and say yea I did?

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[quote=Daseal;294166]I wasn't necessarily saying Brown/Arrington took steroids, and if they did I'd bet it wasn't till the NFL. I simply think we underestimate the amount of steroids and HGH in the league right now.[/quote]

I don't think there are many guys taking steriods because of the testing. However there are other things. HGH can not be tested for and also Insulin. Insulin is the most powerful hormone in the body and there is no way to test for it.

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damn

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[quote=djnemo65;294096]Yeah, you are right. These guys clearly were on the stuff. But why stop there? What about Gale Sayers too? 6 seasons and done? Come on man, that guy was juiced up. And don't even get me started on Bo Jackson. Finally, OJ Simpson, what was his nickname? Next thing you know he is spassing out and two people are dead. Coincidence? Not coincidence, proof.[/quote]

Huh. It does make you think. Apparently the dominant Steelers of the 70's were big time steroid users. You know the Raiders were (ummm, Lyle Alzado anyone??). It would be sad to think Gale Sayers juiced. If he did, he was one of the earlier players to do so, seeing as his career started in '65. I live in SEC territory and I've heard the stories about Bo Jackson. I am pretty sure he was getting some "unethical help" as well. Oh well. Unfortunately with the amount of pressure pro sports and the media creates on athletes, the whole by any means necessary thinking takes precedence.