Eh Yo, Skins On The Clock
 

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Espn's take on the Redskins 2007 draft needs.

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It seems like every article I read says the Briggs deal could still happen. This is not the vote of confidence I envisioned for Rocky this year. Glad Holdman's gone, though.

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Tick,Tock. I agree with most points, potent 1-2 punch in backfield.

Dock was the weak link, and got overpayed. Not to sure about Fletch losing a step, his stats don't reflect a MLB that's lost a step. Good depth at corner is now established.

And IMO DE should be our primary focus, followed by a DT.

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Ugh, this article reiterates that the Briggs deal could still happen. I'm gonna reiterate that I hope it doesn't (unless we also get a 3rd rd pick).

And I would really like to see us trade with Atlanta for their 8th pick so they can move up and get Landry, we could get Okoye at 8 and pick up the Falcons 3rd round selection.

Shouldn't this thread be in the draft forum?

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[quote=GMScud;297758]Ugh, this article reiterates that the Briggs deal could still happen. I'm gonna reiterate that I hope it doesn't (unless we also get a 3rd rd pick).

And I would really like to see us trade with Atlanta for their 8th pick so they can move up and get Landry, we could get Okoye at 8 and pick up the Falcons 3rd round selection.

Shouldn't this thread be in the draft forum?[/quote]


yes it should

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There is no way we should do anything until draft day. I think our pick might interest a lot of people if the picks fall the right way. We could drop a few picks and still get a really good D-lineman. There is also an outside chance that Quinn could fall as low as 9-10, like Matt Leinart did last year.

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Why do I keep getting the Falcons when I click on "Watch" for the Redskins?

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[quote=skinsfan_nn;297757]Tick,Tock. I agree with most points, potent 1-2 punch in backfield.

Dock was the weak link, and got overpayed. Not to sure about Fletch losing a step, his stats don't reflect a MLB that's lost a step. Good depth at corner is now established.

And IMO DE should be our primary focus, followed by a DT.[/quote]

Good depth has yet to be determined. Remember Smoot got cut for a reason. He played on the worst pass defense in the NFL and then he got benched. Carlos has not played very well. Springs might not be here and if he is can he stay on the field. And this new guy Macklin, well I don't know anything about him.

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[quote=skinsfan69;297803]Good depth has yet to be determined. Remember Smoot got cut for a reason. He played on the worst pass defense in the NFL and then he got benched. Carlos has not played very well. Springs might not be here and if he is can he stay on the field. And this new guy Macklin, well I don't know anything about him.[/quote]

On paper our corner back situation is certainly improved over last year.

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on paper we are superbowl contenders every year:)

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I think our defense has been vastly improved over the product that was on the field last year, and while I agree with most everyone that we should not make the Briggs deal having another great LB would not be to bad. I really want one of the DE in the draft. Draft a DT after next year considering we drafted 2 lat year and they did show some improvement through out the season. Cedric Golston still could be a good DT in this league if he continues to improve his game. I also think that Wynn and Daniels are on he downside of thier careers.

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[QUOTE=artmonkforhallofamein07;297814]I think our defense has been vastly improved over the product that was on the field last year, and while I agree with most everyone that we should not make the Briggs deal having another great LB would not be to bad. I really want one of the DE in the draft. Draft a DT after next year considering we drafted 2 lat year and they did show some improvement through out the season. Cedric Golston still could be a good DT in this league if he continues to improve his game. I also think that Wynn and Daniels are on he downside of thier careers.[/QUOTE]


Griffin, when healthy, along with Carter are the only veterans on the D-line that would command more than the vet. minimum on most teams. We did draft two DT's last year, and I'm sure their potential for development will influence our draft stragedy where the D-line is concerned. Without a doubt we have both age and injury concerns along the defensive front and some upgrades should be welcomed.

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[quote=GMScud;297758]Ugh, this article reiterates that the Briggs deal could still happen. I'm gonna reiterate that I hope it doesn't (unless we also get a 3rd rd pick).

And I would really like to see us trade with Atlanta for their 8th pick so they can move up and get Landry, we could get Okoye at 8 and pick up the Falcons 3rd round selection.

Shouldn't this thread be in the draft forum?[/quote]

Why would Atl. move up to pick Laundry? He should be sitting there by the time they pick. Don't you think?

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[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;297814]I think our defense has been vastly improved over the product that was on the field last year, and while I agree with most everyone that we should not make the Briggs deal having another great LB would not be to bad. I really want one of the DE in the draft. Draft a DT after next year considering we drafted 2 lat year and they did show some improvement through out the season. Cedric Golston still could be a good DT in this league if he continues to improve his game. I also think that Wynn and Daniels are on he downside of thier careers.[/quote]

The line needs to be upgrade BADLY. We need a DE or two, and a tackle or two. But one guy isn't going to make a huge difference. Alot is going to depend on the guys we currently have. Can Griff get back to his 04-05 level of play? Can Joe S. and Goldston play better? Daniles, Wynn, Evans and Carter are not full time guys IMO. So we have the most need at end.

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Our defense will not improve untill we get some Dlinemen. We need a pass rusher more than anything. THe interesting thing is there is a unique player in this draft who can both rush the passer amd penetrate to stuff the run and his name is Omobi.

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[quote=skinsfan69;297803]Good depth has yet to be determined. Remember Smoot got cut for a reason. He played on the worst pass defense in the NFL and then he got benched. Carlos has not played very well. Springs might not be here and if he is can he stay on the field. And this new guy Macklin, well I don't know anything about him.[/quote]


all true and all good points but i'll say this , smoot played pretty good in greg williams system and i would hope he will again. smoot did not "fit in" the minn. defense, they play the tampa two. smoot should be the skins #3 cb (maybe #2)
carlos was thrust into the #1 spot and he clearly was not ready for it but i do think he learned plenty while being the #1 guy and i think he will rebound nicely this year and be the #2 guy (maybe #3)
springs is definately a question mark. if he stays and if he's healthy he will be the teams #1 cb and IMO he's a top 5 corner when healthy.
i don't know much about macklin either but a few teams offered him more money than the skins so i'm guessing he's a pretty good corner.
overall i think the skins are in good shape in the cb area.

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[quote=skinsfan69;297834]Why would Atl. move up to pick Laundry? He should be sitting there by the time they pick. Don't you think?[/quote]


because there is talk that the skins or minn. might draft him first.

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[quote=skinsfan69;297834]Why would Atl. move up to pick Laundry? He should be sitting there by the time they pick. Don't you think?[/quote]

I have heard some draft analysts say that if Brady Quinn is off the board the Vikings could take Landry at 7. Moving up to 6 would pretty much guarantee ATL could get him.

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[QUOTE=wolfeskins;297844]
springs is definately a question mark. if he stays and if he's healthy he will be the teams #1 cb and IMO [B]he's a top 5 corner [/B]when healthy.[/QUOTE]

So out of Champ Bailey, Nate Clements, Chris McAlister, DeAngelo Hall, and Antoine Winfield -- which of these guys isn't as good as Shawn Springs?

4 or 5 years ago Springs might have made it into the top five, but even in tip-top shape, he doesn't quite make it today.

I agree with you though, our secondary is as good as it's going to get. We're set there -- but let's wait to see if the coaching staff agrees.

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[quote=Beemnseven;297882]So out of Champ Bailey, Nate Clements, Chris McAlister, DeAngelo Hall, and Antoine Winfield -- which of these guys isn't as good as Shawn Springs?

4 or 5 years ago Springs might have made it into the top five, but even in tip-top shape, he doesn't quite make it today.

I agree with you though, our secondary is as good as it's going to get. We're set there -- but let's wait to see if the coaching staff agrees.[/quote]

i'd take a healthy springs over nate,deangelo and antonio, those 3 guys are good but springs is just as good as them.
champ and chris are better though.

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[QUOTE=wolfeskins;297902]i'd take a healthy springs over nate,deangelo and antonio, those 3 guys are good but springs is just as good as them.
champ and chris are better though.[/QUOTE]

Really? You would take a beaten up, often injured Shawn Springs over a rising star like DeAngelo Hall who's only 23 years old?

You sure you're not letting irrational fan-logic get the best of you?

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[quote=Beemnseven;297910]Really? You would take a beaten up, often injured Shawn Springs over a rising star like DeAngelo Hall who's only 23 years old?

You sure you're not letting irrational fan-logic get the best of you?[/quote]


if i was chosing who to take for the future of my franchise , i'd take one of the younger guys but for next season i'd take springs, he already knows the system.

btw, irrational fan-logic almost always gets the best of me:)

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;297834]Why would Atl. move up to pick Laundry? He should be sitting there by the time they pick. Don't you think?[/QUOTE]

So long as they remember to ticky no shirty.:cool-smil

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We really need to stop making ridiculous draft trades. We spent two second rounders on Mcintosh who might not even start this year. We lost our thrid and fourth picks for a running back we didnt need and a reciever with like 30 cathces. If we make a move I hope it is intelligent. Getting Briggs helps nothing. We dont get a pass rush and gain a cover 2 LB who we would still have to pay a truck load of money. Worst this makes Mcintosh a bench warmer who we already wasted picks on. NO Linebacker is worth moving down 25 spots for...maybe Merriman that is it. We tried to play a linebacker out of position before with Trotter years ago and it blew up in our face. Overall briggs deal would be a bad move.