Taylor was he the wrong pick?
 

What is it with this guy? He has not been in a NFL game and he could already be fined by the NFL! I have to say this is starting to not look good at all!!! It is not like the signs were not there before the draft! Showing up out of shape when teams wanted a look see before the draft. I have to say he really didn't seem to be happy to be a Redskin when drafted!!!! Throw in other things like skipping several voluntary organized team activities dose this guy wanted to be here? I know we all had this debate but Winslow as I see it wants to play football and wanted to be a REDSKIN! What is it about a guy that is going to make a boat load of money that can't get his stuff moved and miss a weekend of meetings? Not like he didn't know when the meeting were or when he need to move out of his place. Is this the same guy that is going to remember what to do on the field this fall or when the plane leaves for a road game or even when he should be at RedskinPark? This is starting to look real bad!

I think he has had a run of bad luck, and that this all is a little blown out of proportion. I do admit I am nervous, but we got to wait and see what he can do on the field before we pass judgment.

He was the right choice....Bergman is right, he's just had a string of bad luck. We've all had a bunch of bad things happen at once sometimes. Maybe the appartment thing could've been avoided, but there's nothing you can do about the past. I think we all should give the guy a chance (as in more than 3 months) to develope our opions on taylor.

Not to worry. This is all new to him. However, the game of football isn't.

i couldn't disagree with you more redskinpete. He's made one mistake...Big deal he was absoutley the right choice for this organization. Im sure you were 21 years old once he'll get more mature as the season goes on. If we would have chose Winslow we would proably would have to deal with a holdout from him i really feel that Taylor will get an agent and sign a deal and hell have a good rookie season no need to worry.

Well his wonderlic score was as low as it get's, something tell's me the only thing he get's right, is on the football field.

i'm nervous, but not an alarmist yet... i'm still waiting to see how it pans out. Hopefully he can get it together, if so, i'll gladly forget everything that's happened... he's not sleeping with 15 year olds or bar fighting, so they're really just minor offenses.

You know what Marino and Elway had horrible Wonderlic scores too, you going to send them packing? Doubt it.

He's made some mistakes, he's probably SLIGHTLY OVERWHELMED. Give him some time to settle in. He'll sign by the first week of camp and we'll forget about this while he gives Quincy Carter a concussion.

Yeah and Favre had a terrible Wonderlic score as well. And Brian "I tripped over my dog" Griese had one of the highest ever.

My prediction, HOF game halftime show, Al Michaels sits down for an interview live via satellite with Sean Taylor, "who just signed with the Redskins earlier today"

LoL! Smootsmack, now that you say that I can see it happening. He would miss bout a week of camp. I am not worried bout Sean at all. He will be an absolute stud for our team, for a long time. And before you know it we will all be saying " Mr. Taylor, Mr. Taylor, can I get your autograph."

The Wonderlic test score is not a qualifier or a disqualifier all by itself; it is merely one piece of data. Some great QBs have had less than wonderful scores. Some bad ones have had high scores. But just in case you all think that it is meaningless, Akili Smith had a reported Wonderlic score below Taylor's reported score and look what happened to him. Similarly, Ryan Leaf was a low scorer. (BTW, I don't recall seeing John Elway's name on the low scoring QB list, but I don't pretend to have the list memorized.)


The Wonderlic purports to measure how quickly and how thoroughly a person can learn new things. Obviously, no test can give you an absolute and definitive measure of that. If one could, no college would ever accept a student who eventually flunked out. But don't be too quick to dismiss it entirely.


The SATs are hardly perfect predictors either. But, when you read that someone has taken the SATs 5 times and has yet to score over 700, you can be pretty sure that neurosurgery is not going to be his life's work...

[QUOTE]If one could, no college would ever accept a student who eventually flunked out.[/QUOTE] actually.... colleges get paid by attendance, not academic success. Some people need a year to figure out college isn't for them, and the colleges are more than willing to accept that money.

not to mention team sports' revenue to the school, the members of which do not always have the best academic standings. But i agree, the SAT only truly measures how well you can take the SAT (this coming from someone who did very well on it)...

I'm pretty sure he wont be in camp on time. However, I'm not even close to ready to write this kid off yet. I mean for the love of god, he didnt do anything wrong.

When he starts gettin DUI , and beating his girlfriend, or cheating on his wife like some other bigtime altheltes, then come talk to me.

He Was Definitely The Right Pick, He Is Going To Be Amazing I Just Hope Its With Us, Because I Didnt Think He Looked To Happy To Be A Redskin Either When He Got Drafted. I'm Willing To Let All This Petty Crap Pass Though Its All Minor Not Major.

[QUOTE=Daseal]You know what Marino and Elway had horrible Wonderlic scores too, you going to send them packing? Doubt it.

He's made some mistakes, he's probably SLIGHTLY OVERWHELMED. Give him some time to settle in. He'll sign by the first week of camp and we'll forget about this while he gives Quincy Carter a concussion.[/QUOTE]

who said we should send him packing?

[QUOTE=ArrowsOverNFLEast]He Was Definitely The Right Pick, He Is Going To Be Amazing I Just Hope Its With Us, Because I Didnt Think He Looked To Happy To Be A Redskin Either When He Got Drafted. I'm Willing To Let All This Petty Crap Pass Though Its All Minor Not Major.[/QUOTE]
I to think HWDtRPHIGtBAIJHIWUBIDTHLtHtBaREWHGDIWtLATPCPTIAMNM
now that's a mouthful ;)

The question is when does he start to become the wrong pick when he hasn't turned up for the second week of camp , third first week of the season when ? Yes Iwas 21 once but Taylors behaviour is not showing him up as a person of high charater...

well, right now I think everyone here is a bit nervous about it, but until he misses the second week of training camp I don't think people will be screaming.

Well I think our bigger concern is that he has yet to sign with an agent, unless he has and we just don't know it.

No other early picks have signed yet although I hear that Gallery might be signing this week so other contracts might start to fall into place soon after that.

Just so you guys know, in all the discussion we had prior to the draft, I never once said anythign about Taylors off the field intelligence. If anything KWII is a smarter person. But on the field is what counts, so hopefully we just get him on the field and hope that during his LONG career as a skin he only gets fines and not suspensions.

About the Wonderlic?
 

Drafting S. Taylor is not all about his Wonderlic score.

That score, as has been stated, is just one indicator as to a player's capabilities. It would be interesting to see some sample questions from the Wonderlic Test given to all potential NFL entrants.

Maturity is strange. In looking at my SATs from 34 years ago, I never thought I would be where I'm at today. People grow into their capabilities. Players play up to theirs!

S. Taylor's job is not all about what he does on a test. It is about what he does on the FB field. He will be fine. We will know how he will do after a couple of PS games. I've said he will hold out 1-2 weeks, but that doesn't mean I'm worried. That is the nature of the business side of the NFL. Every year there are holdouts, until players, and the teams that drafted them in the first few rounds figure out their "slotted" position, and what their salary should be.

[QUOTE=Bergman14]I think he has had a run of bad luck, and that this all is a little blown out of proportion. I do admit I am nervous, but we got to wait and see what he can do on the field before we pass judgment.[/QUOTE]

I don't think his follies thusfar can be attributed to "bad luck", maybe bad decisions, but not bad luck.. Luck is something you can't control.. Firing your agent and not picking one yet (WTF?), putting yourself in position to get evicted and having to leave a league mandated meeting, those are results of decisions.. Here's a possible thought (one that I hope isn't true of course), maybe he's one of those people who are great at something, but don't particularly like doing it.. He may be overwhelmed at, geez, this is what I am going to be doing for the next 8-12 years and he's hesitant at diving in.. All that said, I'm ready to give him a clean slate when he gets to camp and starts hitting, but he needs to get on point quickly..

Taylor's problems seem to be more life skills than football or anything the Wonderlic was even designed to detect. Who knows where this guy's head is, but I thought he was excited to be a Redskin. I know he didn't campaign for us like K2, but I think the biggest thrill for most of these guys is to be in the NFL.

I also don't remember him missing too many of the voluntary sessions or hearing about anything like that, but I wasn't there so who knows. I do remember him not complaining about his number, switching to 36 and preferring to take Ohalete's job instead of his number.

I think all of this is much ado about nothing. If the kid wants to play in the NFL, then he'll sign with an agent and get his butt in camp. I mean how hard is it, you sign with an agent and then collect your 12-14 million dollar signing bonus. I don't know what he's doing, maybe we should send Skinsncanes down there to find out what is really going on with the kid. I want to see him in camp because I think he will really upgrade our defense and the more time he misses then the less impact he'll make this year.

To much is being read into S. Taylor's reaction after his selection in the draft. You can attribute it to his not being picked first. After all he was rated as the the 1st or 2nd best pure athlete in the draft. There were rumors he might go higher. It is usually not a good idea to try and guess what another person is thinking. You usually will guess wrong.
I know there is not much football news to talk about at this time of year and some are getting nervous about S. Taylor. However it is still way to early to regret drafting him. I realize S. Taylor does not have an agent, but I never understood why all NFL teams and players wait so long to start negotiations on rookie contracts? The draft is in May. Why wait until July to get them signed? Then blame the player in the media for any holdouts.

[URL=http://espn.go.com/page2/s/closer/020228test.html]Wonderlic[/URL]

Here's a sample of the wonderlic. Keep in mind players are timed on this test and it is a little confusing if you don't pay attention to it. Not hard, just confusing

And I'm pretty sure they give the test after a full day of physical workouts and tests so you're totally drained by the time you take the Wonderlic test

feels like an IQ test more than SATs.

That Guy:

It IS a subtitute for the old - and longer to administer - IQ tests. I tried to draw an analogy to the SATs because the SATs also try to measure future human performance (in college) the way the Wonderlic tries to measure future human performance in learning "stuff" only some of which is "book learning". Neither test is 100% reliable. Neither one is 0% reliable.

The designers of the Wonderlic test claim that it measures the testee's ability to learn things and learn them quickly and to "put 2 and 2 together" in life situations. Many - if not most - of the companies that hire security guards use the test for their applicants because they want people who can react to strange situations in a reasoned manner and not just draw weapons and fire.

The fact that Taylor scored very low on the test MIGHT mean that he has not yet been able to figure out the importance of getting a contract done on sone kind of schedule that will allow him to get into camp. He MIGHT not know he can't go to camp without one. He MIGHT be thinking that missing a week or so of camp is a good idea because it gives him a week more of "vacation" and he'll be the starter anyway because he always has been the starter and the redskins drafted him in the first round. He MIGHT think that missing an NFL required course is like skipping a "required" course at Miami. Do you think he ever got any serious discipline if he cut a class there?

MAYBE his "immaturity" and "lack of focus" is due to his lack of ability to grasp what is happening around him because he does not have a professional advisor in these matters.

Or maybe he is just immature and unfocused...

Time will tell.

[QUOTE=SKINSnCANES]Just so you guys know, in all the discussion we had prior to the draft, I never once said anythign about Taylors off the field intelligence. If anything KWII is a smarter person. But on the field is what counts, so hopefully we just get him on the field and hope that during his LONG career as a skin he only gets fines and not suspensions.[/QUOTE]


When I made the comment about the wonderlik, that is exactly the point I was making, his off the field problem's I think, are a product of him not really paying attention to detail, and not being all that bright, but it's his on field prowess, that makes him a genious, wonderlik may be able to gauge a person's over all intelligence, but it can't measure football smart's, Im really not worried about the kid, I think he will be fine.

he's from Miami, what did you expect?

Still no agent and camp is coming up fast. What is going on in this guys' head? I'd really love to know.

Does he not want to get paid?

Does he not want to play?

WTF pick an agent already. And we thought negotiations with KWII were going to be a problem, at least he has an agent. :doh:

Has anyone considered that maybe he has a mental illness? Seriously! I'm not trying to be insulting; mental illness is as much a disease as a heart attack or a stroke. Without rehashing everything you all have already mentioned that he has done (or hasn't done), and adding the fact that he isn't talking to the media about any kind of complaint with the Redskins or an agent, I have to wonder if he's so scared that he can't make a decision.
That's actually the most charitable explanation I can come up with. When the poll first came out, I voted that he'd be a lengthy holdout. I hope I'm wrong, but it's looking more and more like it.

If he has a mental illness I'd like to think that was something that would have been discovered long before we used the #5 overall pick on him.

Like I said, that's the most charitable explanation I can come up with. It wouldn't be very ladylike of me to say what I REALLY think of his actions, or inactions.

Maybe he would be happier back in Miami.

Taylor for Ogunleye anybody?

haha, lets just end this thread...

NO he wasn't!!