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With the draft fast approaching allow me to outline the best senario that might actually happen for the skins. First, I must point out the fact that any reasonable fan understands that we need Dline help. Though Landry is an excellent player, drafting him and ignoring the dline would be one of the dumbest moves in the history of redskins football.

1. Oakland drafts Calvin Johnson In order for this to happen the dolphins must cut culpepper and the raiders would then sign him.

2. Detroit drafts Gaines Adams. Adams would be the best player to drop to the skins but that simply is not gonna happen. Maranelli being a Tampa 2 guy values pass rushers more than any other position.

3. Browns draft Jamarcus Russell. The fact that Bronws GM Savage has known Russell since high school gives him the edge over Quinn.

4. Bucs- draft Adrian Petterson. This is by far the most unlikely pick in my senario because the bucs really don't need a RB. The possiblity exists that some team will trade to this spot to get Petterson.

5. Cardinals draft Joe Thomas. New coach Wisenhunt and Russ Grimm know you build offense with a QB and offensive line. Thomas is the best guy to protect Matt leinart blind side for the next 10 years.

6. Skins - A biding war begins for the services of Brady Quinn between the Vikings and Dolphins. Both teams offer to swope first round picks and their second round pick. The skins take the deal with the vikings because this keeps them in front of Atlanta who will draft Okoye if he's still on the board.

"With the 7th pick in the 2007 NFL draft the Washington Redskins select Amobi Okoye."
Okoye is gonna be a special player. He has the rare ability to rush the passer and collapse the pocket. He will help in both run support and the pass rush. He reminds a lot of Warren Sapp, with his unique combination of quickness and power. Furthermore, he's a character guy who is only gonna get sooo much better.

"With the 41st pick the Washington Redskins Select Anthony Spencer or Ben Grubbs." Depending on who is still on the board.

Spencer is gonna surprise people in the NFL. He's been written off because he doesn't have the measurables. But that is all crap. This guy is an exceptionaly instictive player. THe guy had [B]93 [/B]tackles as a defensive end. That is remarkable for a player at that postion. Furthermore, he has great quickness as evidence from his 26.5 tackles for a loss. I'm gonna come out on a limb here and say he will be better than any other DE from this years class with the exception of Gaines Adams. A steal in the second round if he falls that far.

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This scenario would never happen. Tampa would definately trade out if cj was picked, and they would never draft peterson with williams. Also, if CJ were to be drafted first, a the bidding war would start with detroit, then cleveland would stay put, then the bidding war would start with tampa, then there might be some bids to trade with arizona because if joe thomas is not taken by then, wash, minn, mia, and atl all dont want him, so they would be safe trading to any of those. And if minn or atl trades, they wont trade with washington because all of our top people are okoye and landry (except minn who doesn t want okoye).

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I fully agree Spencer will be a steal. I've mentioned him on nearly every thread related to the draft this offseason. I'd love to have him.

But will the Vikings really give us a 2nd round pick just to move one spot to get a guy they know we have no interest in drafting in the first place? We'd be robbing them. The only way this would work would be if we had a draft and trade plan in place with Miami in case Minnesota says no to the pick swap.

I also do not see the Bucs drafting Adrian Peterson.

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[QUOTE=GMScud;298868]I fully agree Spencer will be a steal. I've mentioned him on nearly every thread related to the draft this offseason. I'd love to have him.

But will the Vikings really give us a 2nd round pick just to move one spot to get a guy they know we have no interest in drafting in the first place? We'd be robbing them. The only way this would work would be if we had a draft and trade plan in place with Miami in case Minnesota says no to the pick swap.

I also do not see the Bucs drafting Adrian Peterson.[/QUOTE]

Yes they would be willing to trade up one spot to take Quinn Because if they don't they will miss out on him to the dolphins. If they truely want quinn we tell them we have any offer from Maimi to trade up, they then must respond!

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[QUOTE=BeastsoftheNFCeast;298867]This scenario would never happen. Tampa would definately trade out if cj was picked, and they would never draft peterson with williams. Also, if CJ were to be drafted first, a the bidding war would start with detroit, then cleveland would stay put, then the bidding war would start with tampa, then there might be some bids to trade with arizona because if joe thomas is not taken by then, wash, minn, mia, and atl all dont want him, so they would be safe trading to any of those. And if minn or atl trades, they wont trade with washington because all of our top people are okoye and landry (except minn who doesn t want okoye).[/QUOTE]
Some of your arguments don't make any sense. While I agree with you on Tampa bay not taking Peterson(I noted this in my post) and its true that Detroit and and tampa will listen to trade offers, that doesn't change the fact the players like Johson, Joe Thomas, Jamercus Russell, Gaines Adams are gonna be drafted in the top end of the draft. You have to try to analize who is gonna fall out of the top five. I believe its gonna be either Peterson or Quinn. Its benefits the Redskins if Quinn falls out and sparks a bidding war between the vikings and dolphins.

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[QUOTE=GMScud;298868]I fully agree Spencer will be a steal. I've mentioned him on nearly every thread related to the draft this offseason. I'd love to have him.

But will the Vikings really give us a 2nd round pick just to move one spot to get a guy they know we have no interest in drafting in the first place? We'd be robbing them. The only way this would work would be if we had a draft and trade plan in place with Miami in case Minnesota says no to the pick swap.

I also do not see the Bucs drafting Adrian Peterson.[/QUOTE]

The Browns gave the Lions a 2nd to move up one pick and take Kellen Winslow in 04. It's the exact same situation.

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I would be thrilled to get Spencer in the second but he's being talked about as a first round talent. Grubbs too.

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There are a lot of "ifs" in your scenario, but at least all of them are plausible. In fact, your post has an awful lot in common with a few articles I've read on Si.com and espn.com.

As for suggestion that teams do not give up more than what the draft pick value chart suggests is wise, don't be surprised to see a few such "illogical" trades on draft day. As was pointed out in the reference to the Winslow trade, if a team wants a guy bad enough, they'll throw the draft pick value chart out the window.

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[quote=djnemo65;298874]The Browns gave the Lions a 2nd to move up one pick and take Kellen Winslow in 04. It's the exact same situation.[/quote]

Hmmmm, the Browns and the Lions, huh? What stellar decision making those teams have.

All I said is that we'd be robbing them, and according to a draft value chart we would be- by 390 points, or the equivalent of the 51st overall pick. But they do desperately need a QB. They are similar to the Skins in that consistency at QB has killed them over the past several years. I'd be thrilled if it happened, but like Sheriff said, we need some "ifs" to go our way.

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i dont see this happening at all. Aside from the whole peterson thing not going through the other big flaw is that the redskins will not get a 2nd rd pick for moving down one spot even if it is for Quinn's rights. A 3rd rounder is more likely.

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[quote=skins009;298865]

4. Bucs- draft Adrian Petterson. This is by far the most unlikely pick in my senario [I]because the bucs really don't need a RB[/I]. The possiblity exists that some team will trade to this spot to get Petterson.
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Hey this actually isn't to far from the relam of possibility. I swear Williams is the most overated running back in the league. I mean look at it the guys always hurt and it seems when he starts he gets barely more yards than carries (Just check out his gamelog [url=http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/423701]NFL.com - Cadillac Williams[/url]). Peterson is a freak, but then again its not the best idea to get two running backs who can't stay healthy. Recent reports seem to point to the Bucs taking Peterson or Thomas if Johnson is off the board.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;298900]Hey this actually isn't to far from the relam of possibility. I swear Williams is the most overated running back in the league. I mean look at it the guys always hurt and it seems when he starts he gets barely more yards than carries (Just check out his gamelog [URL="http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/423701"]NFL.com - Cadillac Williams[/URL]). Peterson is a freak, but then again its not the best idea to get two running backs who can't stay healthy. Recent reports seem to point to the Bucs taking Peterson or Thomas if Johnson is off the board.[/quote]

They might also consider an OT

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there's an article on ESPN about how Gruden loves Adrian Peterson, and like someone said before williams hasn't done anything since his first 5 games (except when he played us for some reason).

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He is definitely complementing him, but all HELL would break loose in Tampa if he ignores the receiving corps to get yet ANOTHER RB when he already had the rookie rushing leader on his team.

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;298990]He is definitely complementing him, but all HELL would break loose in Tampa if he ignores the receiving corps to get yet ANOTHER RB when he already had the rookie rushing leader on his team.[/quote]If I was a Bucs fan, I would hope all hell would break loose if they ignored defense again to take another WR.

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Don't think so.

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rumor has it the bucs are going to make a play for the 1st overall pick. which they would take CJ. If this happens, how would Detroit not take Russell? Which leaves all the other picks in a mess. Browns will still go for Quinn leaving Arizona taking Thomas. Our pick would not be as valuable if russell and Quinn both off the board. If one of them happen to be on the board then we can get just about anything we want for our pick. If all stands pat, we will still have the same players available for us. Okeye or Laundry. Our pick should be one of those two. I dont think Adams has wowed the powers that be. The only player that has really impressed us (i think) is Laundry. I dont think we would be in a position if we took either one of those guys. I am fine with either. Laundry is a play maker to team with Taylor, making him better. Okeye is a stud with a tremendous upside given age and the fact he will get even bigger and stronger and has potential to be a dominant player inside. I love that guys attitude. He will not allow himself to fail.

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[quote=#56fanatic;299038]rumor has it the bucs are going to make a play for the 1st overall pick. which they would take CJ. If this happens, how would Detroit not take Russell? Which leaves all the other picks in a mess. Browns will still go for Quinn leaving Arizona taking Thomas. Our pick would not be as valuable if russell and Quinn both off the board. If one of them happen to be on the board then we can get just about anything we want for our pick. If all stands pat, we will still have the same players available for us. Okeye or Laundry. Our pick should be one of those two. I dont think Adams has wowed the powers that be. The only player that has really impressed us (i think) is Laundry. I dont think we would be in a position if we took either one of those guys. I am fine with either. Laundry is a play maker to team with Taylor, making him better. Okeye is a stud with a tremendous upside given age and the fact he will get even bigger and stronger and has potential to be a dominant player inside. I love that guys attitude. He will not allow himself to fail.[/quote]I think most teams have Quinn higher on their board than Russell. I just think the Browns and Raiders are two of the exceptions.

As long as we get Okoye, I'm happy.

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[quote=Duffman003;298989]williams hasn't done anything since his first 5 games (except when he played us for some reason).[/quote]

Emmit Smith Syndrome

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If the Dolphins release Culpepper it is because they were able to acquire Trent Green. Why do they need to get into a bidding war with the Vikings then? I don't see why the Vikings would need to trade up with us to land Quinn. They know we aren't going to take him.

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your scenerio is very likely, tampa is defintly considering peterson. gruden wants a two back system if he cant have johnson.

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[quote=skins009;298865]With the draft fast approaching allow me to outline the best senario that might actually happen for the skins. First, I must point out the fact that any reasonable fan understands that we need Dline help. Though Landry is an excellent player, drafting him and ignoring the dline would be one of the dumbest moves in the history of redskins football.

1. Oakland drafts Calvin Johnson In order for this to happen the dolphins must cut culpepper and the raiders would then sign him.

2. Detroit drafts Gaines Adams. Adams would be the best player to drop to the skins but that simply is not gonna happen. Maranelli being a Tampa 2 guy values pass rushers more than any other position.

3. Browns draft Jamarcus Russell. The fact that Bronws GM Savage has known Russell since high school gives him the edge over Quinn.

4. Bucs- draft Adrian Petterson. This is by far the most unlikely pick in my senario because the bucs really don't need a RB. The possiblity exists that some team will trade to this spot to get Petterson.

5. Cardinals draft Joe Thomas. New coach Wisenhunt and Russ Grimm know you build offense with a QB and offensive line. Thomas is the best guy to protect Matt leinart blind side for the next 10 years.

6. Skins - A biding war begins for the services of Brady Quinn between the Vikings and Dolphins. Both teams offer to swope first round picks and their second round pick. The skins take the deal with the vikings because this keeps them in front of Atlanta who will draft Okoye if he's still on the board.

"With the 7th pick in the 2007 NFL draft the Washington Redskins select Amobi Okoye."
Okoye is gonna be a special player. He has the rare ability to rush the passer and collapse the pocket. He will help in both run support and the pass rush. He reminds a lot of Warren Sapp, with his unique combination of quickness and power. Furthermore, he's a character guy who is only gonna get sooo much better.

"With the 41st pick the Washington Redskins Select Anthony Spencer or Ben Grubbs." Depending on who is still on the board.

Spencer is gonna surprise people in the NFL. He's been written off because he doesn't have the measurables. But that is all crap. This guy is an exceptionaly instictive player. THe guy had [B]93 [/B]tackles as a defensive end. That is remarkable for a player at that postion. Furthermore, he has great quickness as evidence from his 26.5 tackles for a loss. I'm gonna come out on a limb here and say he will be better than any other DE from this years class with the exception of Gaines Adams. A steal in the second round if he falls that far.[/quote]


if that really happened i would love it

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[quote=PSUSkinsFan21;299132]If the Dolphins release Culpepper it is because they were able to acquire Trent Green. Why do they need to get into a bidding war with the Vikings then? I don't see why the Vikings would need to trade up with us to land Quinn. They know we aren't going to take him.[/quote]


well put

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[quote=Dirtbag359;299055]Emmit Smith Syndrome[/quote]

bsacially but what else is new we made troy hambrick look great

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[QUOTE=EARTHQUAKE2689;299228]well put[/QUOTE]

Not that I believe any of this would happen but, the Viks would move up to keep us from moving down with the dolphins, that is why they would give up a pick to move up. They know that if we trade down with the fins they lose out on Quinn.

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[QUOTE=PSUSkinsFan21;299132]If the Dolphins release Culpepper it is because they were able to acquire Trent Green. Why do they need to get into a bidding war with the Vikings then? I don't see why the Vikings would need to trade up with us to land Quinn. They know we aren't going to take him.[/QUOTE]

Because Trent Green is 39 years old and is only good for 1 or 2 years. Green's true value is giving Quinn the oppurtunity to sit one year and to mentor Quinn. Furthermore, It gives the dolphins another year to improve their O-line which is terrible right now.

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I agree that Okoye and a second rounder is the ideal situation for us. That would give us a real shot in the arm. I maintain my LL boosterism though, and will be stoked if we pick him up as well. It would be equally as cool if we could get LL and a second, now that I think of it. Ultimately I'll be stoked if we can add either to the fold. LL on pure talent and playmaking, Okoye on upside and addressing age and talent issues on the DL. Plus, you have to love overachievers with winning attitudes.

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I do not think it is out of the question for the bucs to draft peterson. Cadillac had a very mediocre softmore affair, I think he only averaged about 3.5 per carry. He was not the impressive rookie he was a couple of years ago. Most of the dominant teams in the NFL have not one but two great backs. The bucs need many things but a RB is not out of the question. If we can use Quinn to trade down we have to do it. It doesnt really matter who we pick if we get an additional second pick just as long as we get one. I think one possibility is that reggie nelson falls to the second round which would be a steal for the skins. We would then take Okoye or Branch in the 1st round.

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The Vikings might be targeting Peterson as well

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[quote=skins009;299250]Because Trent Green is 39 years old and is only good for 1 or 2 years. Green's true value is giving Quinn the oppurtunity to sit one year and to mentor Quinn. Furthermore, It gives the dolphins another year to improve their O-line which is terrible right now.[/quote]


uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh he is not 39

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[quote=SmootSmack;299537]The Vikings might be targeting Peterson as well[/quote]


i know but why?

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;299556]i know but why?[/quote]Mainly because Chester Taylor leaves a lot to be desired.

That team doesn't have a lot of critical needs but also doesn't have a lot of great players. If one of the QBs aren't available, they probably would be ideal candidates to take best player available.

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[quote=GTripp0012;299563]Mainly because Chester Taylor leaves a lot to be desired.

That team doesn't have a lot of critical needs but also doesn't have a lot of great players. If one of the QBs aren't available, they probably would be ideal candidates to take best player available.[/quote]


yeah but they got much more needs than running back

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[QUOTE=EARTHQUAKE2689;299555]uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh he is not 39[/QUOTE]

Your right, he'll be 37 soon. You get my point however, he doesn't have a lot of time!