Who Is The Better Evaluator Of Talent Mcshay Or Kiper Jr.?
 

To me I feel that Kiper is way better more and more I seem to see that McShay doesn't know what he is talking about but what do you guys think?

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Kiper because of "The Hair"

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;299498]To me I feel that Kiper is way better more and more I seem to see that McShay doesn't know what he is talking about but what do you guys think?[/quote]Every time I see an article by McShay or see him do a bit on ESPN, I keep wondering how he landed that job.

Kiper has his flaws as an analyst, but he's very unbiased, puts countless hours into his work, and although his methods are aging and sometimes flawed, his opinions are usually well formulated, well defensed, and generally correct.

McShay just strikes me as a lazy scout who believes that he really knows everything about scouting as is. I feel that Kiper will continue to work to improve the way he rates prospects where as McShay will just make excuses for why he can't make accurate projections.

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[quote=Mattyk72;299500]Kiper because of "The Hair"[/quote]

nice

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As evidence for my prior claim, I present this article:

[URL]http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft07/insider/columns/story?columnist=mcshay_todd&id=2809454[/URL]

It seems as if he writes this under the assumption that he couldn't possibly be evalutating receivers improperly, while openly admitting that not even he can notice a difference in the way receivers seperate.

He does this because he's completely unwilling to even consider the possibility that maybe, just maybe, seperation isn't the best way to project a receiver.

Most scouts like McShay grade receivers under the assumption that the QB is staring each and every one of them down the whole time, every play. In reality, NFL QBs do this approximently never.

For sure, how a receiver plays the ball and what he does after the catch are considerably more important than what he does before it. But as long as guys like McShay are grading prospects, you are going to have the best players at the position inexplicibly fall.

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[quote=GTripp0012;299503]Every time I see an article by McShay or see him do a bit on ESPN, I keep wondering how he landed that job.

Kiper has his flaws as an analyst, but he's very unbiased, puts countless hours into his work, and although his methods are aging and sometimes flawed, his opinions are usually well formulated, well defensed, and generally correct.

McShay just strikes me as a lazy scout who believes that he really knows everything about scouting as is. I feel that Kiper will continue to work to improve the way he rates prospects where as McShay will just make excuses for why he can't make accurate projections.[/quote]

exactly for me its like this

1. kiper
2. the warpath.net
3. brittney spears
4. todd mcshay

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;299513]exactly for me its like this

1. kiper
2. the warpath.net
3. brittney spears
4. todd mcshay[/quote]Haha.

I like the cut of your jib.

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plus he said that he wouldnt ake quinn in the top 5????????????????????????????????

WTF!!!!!!

i dont like quinn think that russell is better stated that many times but if quinn doesnt go to either the lions or broncos both of those teams will be in the top 3 picking in 2008

my top 3:
1. jamarcus russell lsu to the raiders
2. brady quinn nd to the lions (if they draft cj millian will be shot)
3. adrian peterson oklahoma to the browns

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when it comes to the NFL draft, no one beats Mel Kiper. if you don't believe me, just ask Jim Irsay

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[quote=dmek25;299526]when it comes to the NFL draft, no one beats Mel Kiper. if you don't believe me, just ask [B][I][SIZE=5]Jim Irsay[/SIZE][/I][/B][/quote]


hahahahahahahaha if you can find him

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You gotta' love Mel Kyper. Dude is tickey as a lizard.
Saw an int the other day with him. For the past seven years, he has eaten a WHOLE pumkin pie EVERY day of his life.

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[quote=Hog1;299569]You gotta' love Mel Kyper. Dude is tickey as a lizard.
Saw an int the other day with him. For the past seven years, he has eaten a WHOLE pumkin pie EVERY day of his life.[/quote]


that is crazy

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[quote=Hog1;299569]You gotta' love Mel Kyper. Dude is tickey as a lizard.
Saw an int the other day with him. For the past seven years, he has eaten a WHOLE pumkin pie EVERY day of his life.[/quote]

Damn, I guess there's no need for us to wonder what his favorite kind of pie is.

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oh no. not that again

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[quote=Mattyk72;299581]Damn, I guess there's no need for us to wonder what his favorite kind of pie is.[/quote]Does this mean he might be able to answer Question 3?

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[quote=Mattyk72;299581]Damn, I guess there's no need for us to wonder what his favorite kind of pie is.[/quote]


really

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Kiper places great emphasis on how much the Redskins de-emphasize the draft, an opinion I embrace. However, on draft matters and evaluations, I think the NFL draft is one of the most over-hyped time out's in all of sports.

The most important criteria in determining, and evaluating a player's complete worth cannot be determined by numbers, or combine routines.

"It's in my heart"

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[quote=Longtimefan;299608]Kiper places great emphasis on how much the Redskins de-emphasize the draft, an opinion I embrace. However, on draft matters and evaluations, I think the NFL draft is one of the most over-hyped time out's in all of sports.

The most important criteria in determining, and evaluating a player's complete worth cannot be determined by numbers, or combine routines.

"It's in my heart"[/quote]

but u didn t answer the question lol

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[QUOTE=EARTHQUAKE2689;299610]but u didn t answer the question lol[/QUOTE]


Granted....I'll give Kiper the edge when it comes to oral evaluation, at least for what it's worth.

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[quote=Longtimefan;299619]Granted....I'll give Kiper the edge when it comes to oral evaluation, at least for what it's worth.[/quote]

excellent

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[quote=Longtimefan;299619]Granted....I'll give Kiper the edge when it comes to [B]oral evaluation,[/B] at least for what it's worth.[/quote]
i love that term

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These guys are okay but [U]NOBODY[/U] can ever predict how prospects will be at the NFL level. Sure they hype up people and they do get drafted high but what about all the hype the media gave guys like Heath Shuler, Akili Smith, Ryan Leaf, Ki-jana Carter, and all the other guys that are not mentioned. What really makes the draft special is the guys who execute well at the NFL Level, such as Marques Colston, Tom Brady, Matt Hasslebeck, and the Redskins drafted by the Skins in the 80's. Long live Bobby Bethard. So to Mel Kiper and Todd Mcshay just b/c you get a paycheck to analyze some college kid, you still don't know JACK S!@T.

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This is a nice draft:
[url=http://www.redskins.com/news/newsDetail.jsp?id=25643]Great Redskins Draft: 1983[/url]

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putem in a wet paper bag whoever falls out first gets my vote

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[quote=skinsfan_nn;299646]putem in a wet paper bag whoever falls out first gets my vote[/quote]


funny

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Mike Mayock knows more than both of them

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[quote=bigm29;299728]Mike Mayock knows more than both of them[/quote]


ok man

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Man, you're going to have to put some more substance to your posts sir.

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I could have 560 posts in two months if they were all between 1-3 words. Sheesh.

Has anyone heard Scott Van Pelt (ESPN broadcaster, Maryland grad) do his Mel Kiper imitation? It's hilarious! And I think McShay is a hack...

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[quote=bigm29;299728]Mike Mayock knows more than both of them[/quote]
every year mayock takes someone and falls in love with him. last year it was cutler. this year its c Johnson. he cant hold kipers jock

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[quote=JankySpanky80;299636]These guys are okay but [U]NOBODY[/U] can ever predict how prospects will be at the NFL level.[/quote]I agree with you to an extent JankySpanky, that at a majority of the positions where there is insuffient data to draw any correlations between characteristics of a bust or successful prospect, it takes some amount of good fortune to land the right guy.

I just think that we've been cultured by the "experts" to think the draft is a complete crapshoot when in reality, that's just an excuse for them not doing their jobs. I bet Mel Kiper wouldn't tell you the draft is a crapshoot.

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[quote=dmek25;299792]every year mayock takes someone and falls in love with him. last year it was cutler. this year its c Johnson. he cant hold kipers jock[/quote]Additionally, Mike Mayock said that Sean Taylor would be the best prospect to come out of the 2004 draft.

No matter where you stand on Taylor's value to this team, I think we can all agree that he is not the best prospect to come out of the 2004 draft.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;299498]To me I feel that Kiper is way better more and more I seem to see that McShay doesn't know what he is talking about but what do you guys think?[/quote]I'd like to see Kiper's final mock draft before the actual draft and see how many he gets right also previous years.

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last year i think kiper had like 26 out of 32. pretty good for such a crapshoot.

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;299775]Man, you're going to have to put some more substance to your posts sir.[/quote]


sorry man i will make them longer

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[QUOTE=TheMalcolmConnection;299775]Man, you're going to have to put some more substance to your posts sir.[/QUOTE]

What

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[QUOTE=TheMalcolmConnection;299775]Man, you're going to have to put some more substance to your posts sir.[/QUOTE]

Are

Re: Who Is The Better Evaluator Of Talent Mcshay Or Kiper Jr.?
 

[QUOTE=TheMalcolmConnection;299775]Man, you're going to have to put some more substance to your posts sir.[/QUOTE]

You

Re: Who Is The Better Evaluator Of Talent Mcshay Or Kiper Jr.?
 

[QUOTE=TheMalcolmConnection;299775]Man, you're going to have to put some more substance to your posts sir.[/QUOTE]

Talking

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[QUOTE=TheMalcolmConnection;299775]Man, you're going to have to put some more substance to your posts sir.[/QUOTE]

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