Patriots' passing game: great or not?
 

With all the WR's and TE's the Pats have now (Wes Welker, Randy Moss, Donte Stallworth, Reche Caldwell, Chad Jackson, Kelly Washington, Ben Watson, Kyle Brady) it is pretty apparant that they will run a west coast offense next year. But my question is did they overdo it? Do they have too much talent? All their WR's are at least quality 3rd spot WR's, 2 are 1 spot quality, 2-3 are 2 spot quality, and 1-2 iare 3 spot quality. How will everyone be happy? How will the ball be shared? This did not work well for the Skins or for the Seahawks last year when both of us loaded up on WRs. I know Bellicheck is a genius, but I dont know how this offense system will work out.

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Tom Brady Is The Answer>just When He Couldn't Have Anymore Kids Look What He Gets

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I'm sure that Tom Brady will take care of all of that. If theres anyone in the league who knows how to spread the ball around to his receivers, its Tom Brady. Thats why you hardly ever see any Patriot receivers in the Pro Bowl.

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It does seem more than a bit overboard, but if Randy Moss still has it who cares. That move has the potential to be the pick up of the year bar none. Randy Moss either smokes tons of weed now and has lost his fire or the NFL better watch out.

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The Pats pass game will be fine as always..... unfortunately

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[quote=BeastsoftheNFCeast;304511]With all the WR's and TE's the Pats have now (Wes Welker, Randy Moss, Donte Stallworth, Reche Caldwell, Chad Jackson, Kelly Washington, Ben Watson, Kyle Brady) it is pretty apparant that they will run a west coast offense next year. But my question is did they overdo it? Do they have too much talent? All their WR's are at least quality 3rd spot WR's, 2 are 1 spot quality, 2-3 are 2 spot quality, and 1-2 iare 3 spot quality. How will everyone be happy? How will the ball be shared? This did not work well for the Skins or for the Seahawks last year when both of us loaded up on WRs. I know Bellicheck is a genius, but I dont know how this offense system will work out.[/quote]Well, there certainly is an overkill factor here. The same argument I was making for us not to draft Calvin Johnson applies here. Theres just no way the Pats can possibly utilize all that talent to the max of each and every person's ability. Just not enough plays in a game.

Their offensive system is very QB friendly. Allows Brady to throw for a high completion %, and be efficient in finding the open man while avoiding INTs. Moss himself isn't especially good after the catch, and getting guys who excel after the catch is the only way this Pats offense will get any better.

Expect them to improve offensively a tad, but not so much that will make the Moss and Stallworth salaries seem worth it.

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It would only be over kill if they paid alot of money or gave up alot (draft picks) to get these players. They did neither. They really thought this through and made some shrewd moves. I am very impressed by them. Their defense is loaded and now their offense is as well.

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what game will Moss walk out before the end of it?

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I actually dont like the Moss pickup. He has a tendency to not run as hard when the play is not designed to go to him. With this amount of talent, he will not get the ball that much and therefore will not give it his all barely ever. He will have a bad attitude and will complain about not getting the ball enough which will create negative team chemistry. I thought the Pats had a perfect WR corps for Brady before Moss was brought in.

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[quote=BeastsoftheNFCeast;304511]With all the WR's and TE's the Pats have now (Wes Welker, Randy Moss, Donte Stallworth, Reche Caldwell, Chad Jackson, Kelly Washington, Ben Watson, Kyle Brady) it is pretty apparant that they will run a west coast offense next year. But my question is did they overdo it? Do they have too much talent? All their WR's are at least quality 3rd spot WR's, 2 are 1 spot quality, 2-3 are 2 spot quality, and 1-2 iare 3 spot quality. How will everyone be happy? How will the ball be shared? This did not work well for the Skins or for the Seahawks last year when both of us loaded up on WRs. I know Bellicheck is a genius, but I dont know how this offense system will work out.[/quote]


NE likes to spread the field w/ 3 and 4 wr's so I doubt they will be going to a west coast offense. I would think it would be more of a run and shoot offense.

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the best thing about the patriots is they only care about one thing, winning

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Let's see, they barely lost a shoot out in the AFC Championship game with the Colts with Reche Caldwell, Jabar Gaffney, and Chad Jackson at wideout. Brady spreads the ball around better than anyone.

And we are talking about Randy Moss right? He's only 30, he still runs a freaking 4.29, and there is only one corner who I'd trust to cover him one-on-one (that'd be the Champ). I doubt he quits on a play now, especially with a qb who scans the entire field. But that's a very minor concern, especially when you consider he's good for about 1200 yds and 15+ tds next year (barring injury).

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We will beat the Patriots in the Reg. season and also in the SB. i have already seen this. i see the future.

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[quote=dall-assblows;304628]We will beat the Patriots in the Reg. season and also in the SB. i have already seen this. i see the future.[/quote]

Are you Adam Schefter all of a sudden?

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For as much as I hate to say it, cause I HATE the Pats, they set their passing game up GREATLY!
1- Moss
2- Stallworth
3- Washington
4- Welker
That might be the best WR corp in the NFL. Having an accurate guy like Brady throwing them the ball is scary. However, having 2 head cases (Moss and Stallworth) this could implode on them.

Trust me guys, Moss still has it. Especially if he thinks he's going to get a ring. How can you get motivated when you have a guarenteed contract and a team that is lucky to win 2 games???? Moss is a GREAT pickup.

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[quote=jsarno;304642]For as much as I hate to say it, cause I HATE the Pats, they set their passing game up GREATLY!
1- Moss
2- Stallworth
3- Washington
4- Welker
That might be the best WR corp in the NFL. Having an accurate guy like Brady throwing them the ball is scary. However, having 2 head cases (Moss and Stallworth) this could implode on them.

Trust me guys, Moss still has it. Especially if he thinks he's going to get a ring. How can you get motivated when you have a guarenteed contract and a team that is lucky to win 2 games???? Moss is a GREAT pickup.[/quote]

Probably not going to happen, but I hope that their offense struggles much like ours did after alot of new aqquisitions.

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[quote=Darrell_Green_28;304586]what game will Moss walk out before the end of it?[/quote]


the skins game after landry and taylor mess him up but they will be a very nice passing team

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;304654]the skins game after landry and taylor mess him up but they will be a very nice passing team[/quote]

Only if Landry is starting or seeing significant playing time by then.

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Moss forgot to read he's gonna go up against Taylor and Landry. He might have a 'TO' type injury for that game.

Can't talk shit about Pats... World class team with the best coach in football right now. I was secretely hoping we'd see Randy and Santana together, but I'm guessing Randy ain't Gibbs material. 4th rounder for Randy Moss= STEAL!

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The Skins will need every single DB they have when they head to NE this season. Good thing they drafted Landry . . .

[quote=Luxorreb;304657]Moss forgot to read he's gonna go up against Taylor and Landry. He might have a 'TO' type injury for that game.

Can't talk shit about Pats... World class team with the best coach in football right now. I was secretely hoping we'd see Randy and Santanna together, but I'm guessing Randy ain't Gibbs material. 4th rounder for Randy Moss= STEAL![/quote]

Oh man, yeah, Randy is great for the Pats, he would be poison for the Skins, keep him far away. That being said, he'll get a look on my Fantasy team this year.

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[quote=angryssg;304656]Only if Landry is starting or seeing significant playing time by then.[/quote]


calling it landry will start week one

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;304660]calling it landry will start week one[/quote]

It would be nice, but even Taylor didn't start week one.

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[quote=angryssg;304661]It would be nice, but even Taylor didn't start week one.[/quote]


true but who will stop him fox no stoudmire no and priloeau uh no so he better be on the field week one cracking ted ginn's head

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;304663]true but who will stop him fox no stoudmire no and priloeau uh no so he better be on the field week one cracking ted ginn's head[/quote]

While he is probably more physically gifted than those other Safeties, it will all depend on how quickly he picks up the mental part of the defense.

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[quote=angryssg;304665]While he is probably more physically gifted than those other Safeties, it will all depend on how quickly he picks up the mental part of the defense.[/quote]


true but he should pick it up quick started 48 games and hs style of play fits right into the skis d gregg williams must be drooling right now with all the safety blitzes that we will see

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;304667]true but he should pick it up quick started 48 games and hs style of play fits right into the skis d gregg williams must be drooling right now with all the safety blitzes that we will see[/quote]

While I agree, lets hope that they keep one of them back to defend the pass on those blitzes.

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Pats will be great in the passing game! Moss is going to open up so many things for so many people!

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[quote=Defensewins;304576]It would only be over kill if they paid alot of money or gave up alot (draft picks) to get these players. They did neither. They really thought this through and made some shrewd moves. I am very impressed by them. Their defense is loaded and now their offense is as well.[/quote]This is true.

It's overkill from the talent perspective, but there is nothing wrong with that if you are paying your talent much less than market value. In this case, it can be argued that the Pats aren't really investing too much in their offensive skill positions despite the vast spread of talent.

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Yes, but you get that luxury when you are a consistent winner.

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[quote=angryssg;304668]While I agree, lets hope that they keep one of them back to defend the pass on those blitzes.[/quote]


i know hopefully one will always be back in coverage and when both of them are back there look out we are going to see a lot of people on jacked up this year

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Totally!!!!!!!

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[quote=jsarno;304642]For as much as I hate to say it, cause I HATE the Pats, they set their passing game up GREATLY!
1- Moss
2- Stallworth
3- Washington
4- Welker
That might be the best WR corp in the NFL. Having an accurate guy like Brady throwing them the ball is scary. However, having 2 head cases (Moss and Stallworth) this could implode on them.

Trust me guys, Moss still has it. Especially if he thinks he's going to get a ring. How can you get motivated when you have a guarenteed contract and a team that is lucky to win 2 games???? Moss is a GREAT pickup.[/quote]

Remember they still have Chad Jackson and Mr. Reliable Troy Brown too. I think Kelly Washington will probably get cut.

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;304784]Remember they still have Chad Jackson and Mr. Reliable Troy Brown too. I think Kelly Washington will probably get cut.[/QUOTE]

Troy Brown is no longer with the Patriots. I guess he's not so reliable. haha. As of March 2nd, he was a free agent.

Washington has more talent than Jackson, therefore will make the club over him if they choose to cut one. Washington is a great WR but hasn't had the opportunity yet. The Patriots have a gem there.

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[QUOTE=EARTHQUAKE2689;304660]calling it landry will start week one[/QUOTE]

No he won't. He'll get PT, but no start. Williams system is too complex for him to get that quickly.
Also, I anticipate a contract issue with him...don't know why...just a hunch.

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They were great last year, when their best receiver was the dude who dropped numerous TO balls in the AFC championship.

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[quote=jsarno;304919]No he won't. He'll get PT, but no start. Williams system is too complex for him to get that quickly.
Also, I anticipate a contract issue with him...don't know why...just a hunch.[/quote]

I anticipate a contract dispute as well. The Skins have a tight cap situation in upcoming years, and paid Taylor, their number 5 overall pick about 18.5 mil over 7 years, thats about 2.5 mil a year. Vernon Davis at the number 6 pick last year got alot (I think 25 mil over 6 years). Landry and his agent will refer to the money Davis got, and might want more than that because of the significant raise in the cap and also because he was widely believed to be the best D player in the draft. The skins will refer to taylor's contract and the small amount of cap space that they have to pay him.

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The NE passing attack should be excellent. But with Tom Brady at QB, that is not a new development.

We match up as well as anybody in the league against the patriots receivers if Springs is with the team and healthy. Unfortunately, we will not be generating any pressure on Brady unless we blitz. Giving Brady all day back there is not a workable game plan, so we'll have to blitz too much and as a result will probably give up some big plays. Moreover, since the Pats generally favor quick drops and fast reads, they are not a great team to blitz against in the first place. GW will have to be incredibly creative to keep that offense off balance. Our offense will really have to show up to keep that game close. Of course, that game is not going to be played for a long time. A lot can happen between now and then.

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[quote=BeastsoftheNFCeast;304938]I anticipate a contract dispute as well. The Skins have a tight cap situation in upcoming years, and paid Taylor, their number 5 overall pick about 18.5 mil over 7 years, thats about 2.5 mil a year. Vernon Davis at the number 6 pick last year got alot (I think 25 mil over 6 years). Landry and his agent will refer to the money Davis got, and might want more than that because of the significant raise in the cap and also because he was widely believed to be the best D player in the draft. The skins will refer to taylor's contract and the small amount of cap space that they have to pay him.[/quote]

You don't refer to players drafted several years ago when you are negotiating rookie contracts. The draft picks have a slot payment usually based on last years picks and how much the selections make immediately before and after them. Taylor will be watching, however. Turning to Cooley is what I'd do now if I'm the skins. You don't want him to walk. We will have to take some time to see how Taylor and LL mesh before redoing Taylor's contract, IMO.

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[quote=angryssg;304649]Probably not going to happen, but I hope that their offense struggles much like ours did after alot of new aqquisitions.[/quote]

The difference is NE has Tom Brady in his prime and we had an Mark Brunell. BIG DIFFERENCE. Just look at Brady's numbers w/ a bunch of cast offs last year. I don't think there is a QB in the NFL that see's the field and spreds the ball around like Brady.

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[quote=jsarno;304917]Troy Brown is no longer with the Patriots. I guess he's not so reliable. haha. As of March 2nd, he was a free agent.

Washington has more talent than Jackson, therefore will make the club over him if they choose to cut one. Washington is a great WR but hasn't had the opportunity yet. The Patriots have a gem there.[/quote]

I remember Washington when he came out of Tenn. He had a lot hype but it never really translated to the field. He got beat out by jailbird Chris Henry. Of couse Chad Jackson had the same hype too. We shall see. NE has a very crowded WR situation.