Should NFL take on a lottery style draft?
 

With all the hoopla over the NBA draft, what do you guys think about the NFL doing a lottery for say the bottom 5 teams for the first round of the draft only? I think it would really add another element to draft day, but I know its never gonna happen.

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Im not a fan

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No the crappy teams need all the help they can get.

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no way... the NBA lottery is a flawed system. The way the draft is now is the way it should stay. No time changes between picks and No first round on its own day... the draft is hard and long enough as it is w/o adding an extra day or a lottery to it

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No Way Jose!

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Nope. The current system in the NFL is always pretty fair, while the worst team in the NBA can get hosed year after year with that dumb lottery.

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A lottery is a bad move and it really isn't needed in the NFL anyway since the talent pool is usually much deeper in the NFL than the NBA. This year is a great example...the first two prospects in Oden and Durant are light years ahead of the 3rd pick and below. Also, one player can truly change your team overnight in the NBA, whereas no one player in the NFL will suddenly turn a lousy team into a contender, no matter how good they are.

One change I would support is a Rookie salary cap structure like the NBA...the top 15 draft picks in the NFL are WAY overpaid for what they bring to the table. Paying 30 Mil to a guy who has never taken a snap in the league is insane if you ask me.

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But doesn't the current NFL system encourage the worst teams to lose out in hopes of getting the top 2 or 3 picks?

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No.

The lottery is there because one player can change a franchise is basketball. One player is 20% of a fielded team and is probaly 30-40% of the production. That is big incentive to tank at the end of the year which is the only reason to have a lottery. In football teams would be dumb to tank because no one player is really worth the lost respect and revenue and.

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[quote=FRPLG;313026]No.

The lottery is there because one player can change a franchise is basketball. One player is 20% of a fielded team and is probaly 30-40$ of the production. That is big incentive to tank at the end of the year which is the only reason to have a lottery. In football teams would be dumb to tank because no one player is really worth the lost respect and revenue and.[/quote]

Yeah, that's a good point about one player being 20% of a fielded team.

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I think a lottery system stinks.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;313030]I think a lottery system stinks.[/QUOTE]


Just think!! Portland had only a 5% chance at landing the first pick. Evidence that the lottery system needs to be revised.

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No................................................!

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sorry it would not let me simply say "NO" lol

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[quote=Longtimefan;313032]Just think!! Portland had only a 5% chance at landing the first pick. Evidence that the lottery system needs to be revised.[/quote]

yeah, Boston fans have to be pretty ticked. They dropped to #5, yikes.

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[quote=Mattyk72;313043]yeah, Boston fans have to be pretty ticked. They dropped to #5, yikes.[/quote]

I think Red Auerbach must have sold the future soul of the Celtics to get all the Championships in the 60s - 80s. Think about the Celtics' woes after the 1986 Championship; Len Bias, Bird's back, Reggie Lewis, missing out on Tim Duncan, Danny Ainge as GM :( , and now this.

I've been a Celtics fan since the '70s and really enjoyed the Bird/Mchale/Chief years, but outside of the one playoff appearance in 2002 (i think) it can't get much worse.

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Can't say that I'm a fan of the proposal but since you did say "for the bottom five teams" then that probably wouldn't be all that earth-shattering. It won't fly but I like the originality of the thread, at least. You have been awarded 17 points.

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yea boston ppl have a lot to complain about what with the Pats and Red Sox. I mean I know the city was tormented in the past but we are in the present and they have had enuff success that boston fans don't need to be crying. They deserve to be screwed over for trying to tank their season also. It also proves that there is no conspiracy in the NBA draft b/c it would have been in the NBA's best interest to have those superstars end up in Boston, one of their cornerstone markets, rather than the middle of nowhere pacific northwest.

However, the system is flawed, it would be a disaster in the NFL with the amount of hype or conspiracy theories that would go around. Could u imagine if baltimore who finished 6-10 in 2005 got the #2 pick last year and got Vince Young or Reggie Bush. They would be unstoppable and it wouldn't be fair. The bball system is designed the way it is b/c even with an all-star like lebron james or someone it take a team a few years to turn a losing franchise around. Typically bad teams will stay bad unless they get a once in 5 years kinda superstar.

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[quote=Rajmahal33;313046]yea boston ppl have a lot to complain about what with the Pats and Red Sox. I mean I know the city was tormented in the past but we are in the present and they have had enuff success that boston fans don't need to be crying. They deserve to be screwed over for trying to tank their season also. It also proves that there is no conspiracy in the NBA draft b/c it would have been in the NBA's best interest to have those superstars end up in Boston, one of their cornerstone markets, rather than the middle of nowhere pacific northwest.

However, the system is flawed, it would be a disaster in the NFL with the amount of hype or conspiracy theories that would go around. Could u imagine if baltimore who finished 6-10 in 2005 got the #2 pick last year and got Vince Young or Reggie Bush. They would be unstoppable and it wouldn't be fair. The bball system is designed the way it is b/c even with an all-star like lebron james or someone it take a team a few years to turn a losing franchise around. Typically bad teams will stay bad unless they get a once in 5 years kinda superstar.[/quote]

I agree with everything except the unstoppable comment, no matter how good you are in the NFL, no team is unstoppable, evidenced by the Dolphins beating the Bears last year.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;313043]yeah, Boston fans have to be pretty ticked. They dropped to #5, yikes.[/QUOTE]


Since the lottery was implemented in the NBA has the Celtics ever had the #1 pick?

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[quote=steveo395;313019]No the crappy teams need all the help they can get.[/quote]


i would never want to see this happen

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What is dumb about the NBA's lottery is the amount of teams they allow into it. In any given year there are at most 2 players worth tanking for. The rest of the players are pieces who'll go where they fit. The NBA should reduce the lottery to 5 teams. Give the teams proportional ping pong balls to losses.

The
1st worst record gets 10 for every loss
2nd worst record gets 7 for every loss
3rd worst record gets 5 for every loss
4th worst record gets 3 for every loss
5th worst record gets 1 for every loss

Then pick the top 2 positions. The worst team can fall at most 2 spots and has a propotionally better chance than the 5th worst team. Not just a predetermined proportion but a loss adjusted proportion. That way if one team is far worse than the others they get a better chance at the top pick.

Example:

25-57 gets 570 giving them 40.45%
27-55 gets 385 giving them 27.32%
31-51 gets 255 giving them 18.10%
32-50 gets 150 giving them 10.65%
33-49 gets 49 giving them 3.48%

The only problem I see with this is that it still rewards tanking. As long as the odds are weighted I don't see how they can ever reduce the motivation to tank really. But on the other hand it would be totally unfair to weight everyone the same. In the above example why should the team who won 8 more games have the same shot at the first pick? The worst team didn't tank out of 8 games. At worst they lost 3 or 4 games they might have won if they had tried.

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[QUOTE=Longtimefan;313069]Since the lottery was implemented in the NBA has the Celtics ever had the #1 pick?[/QUOTE]

No but they did have the #2 in '86 which was the Len Bias pick. I think the curse on that franchise started right there.

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[quote=FRPLG;313091]What is dumb about the NBA's lottery is the amount of teams they allow into it. In any given year there are at most 2 players worth tanking for. The rest of the players are pieces who'll go where they fit. The NBA should reduce the lottery to 5 teams. Give the teams proportional ping pong balls to losses.

The
1st worst record gets 10 for every loss
2nd worst record gets 7 for every loss
3rd worst record gets 5 for every loss
4th worst record gets 3 for every loss
5th worst record gets 1 for every loss

Then pick the top 2 positions. The worst team can fall at most 2 spots and has a propotionally better chance than the 5th worst team. Not just a predetermined proportion but a loss adjusted proportion. That way if one team is far worse than the others they get a better chance at the top pick.

Example:

25-57 gets 570 giving them 40.45%
27-55 gets 385 giving them 27.32%
31-51 gets 255 giving them 18.10%
32-50 gets 150 giving them 10.65%
33-49 gets 49 giving them 3.48%

The only problem I see with this is that it still rewards tanking. As long as the odds are weighted I don't see how they can ever reduce the motivation to tank really. But on the other hand it would be totally unfair to weight everyone the same. In the above example why should the team who won 8 more games have the same shot at the first pick? The worst team didn't tank out of 8 games. At worst they lost 3 or 4 games they might have won if they had tried.[/quote]


i hate the nba draft lottery

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[quote=FRPLG;313091]What is dumb about the NBA's lottery is the amount of teams they allow into it. In any given year there are at most 2 players worth tanking for. The rest of the players are pieces who'll go where they fit. The NBA should reduce the lottery to 5 teams. Give the teams proportional ping pong balls to losses.

The
1st worst record gets 10 for every loss
2nd worst record gets 7 for every loss
3rd worst record gets 5 for every loss
4th worst record gets 3 for every loss
5th worst record gets 1 for every loss

Then pick the top 2 positions. The worst team can fall at most 2 spots and has a propotionally better chance than the 5th worst team. Not just a predetermined proportion but a loss adjusted proportion. That way if one team is far worse than the others they get a better chance at the top pick.

Example:

25-57 gets 570 giving them 40.45%
27-55 gets 385 giving them 27.32%
31-51 gets 255 giving them 18.10%
32-50 gets 150 giving them 10.65%
33-49 gets 49 giving them 3.48%

The only problem I see with this is that it still rewards tanking. As long as the odds are weighted I don't see how they can ever reduce the motivation to tank really. But on the other hand it would be totally unfair to weight everyone the same. In the above example why should the team who won 8 more games have the same shot at the first pick? The worst team didn't tank out of 8 games. At worst they lost 3 or 4 games they might have won if they had tried.[/quote]

Seems pretty sensible, is that original? Pass it along to David Stern.

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Just some food for thought, imagine the Patriots got to draft Calvin Johnson this year. I don't think I'd be too happy about that.

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;313209]Just some food for thought, imagine the Patriots got to draft Calvin Johnson this year. I don't think I'd be too happy about that.[/quote]


i dont think anyone would be happy with that

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Don't fix it, if it isn't broke.
The NFL has success far beyond what the other sports have. They have figured out what works. They still have things that need fixing. Maybe the biggest challenge is to know when to leave things alone

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No the lottery system stinks. The only thing I suggest the NFL do as someone did earlier, implement a salary cap for rookies. That means less hold outs, the contracts that some NFL rookies get are ludicrous. I'm all for getting what you can while you can but I think they should have some kind of cap for rookies coming into the league. That way you know what you're going to get or at least what you can get, things would go by a lot smoother I would think.

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The question is why would the NFL want a lottery system??

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Well, if it only involved the bottom five teams, then it would certainly shake up draft day with potential trades. Also, if there are 2-3 teams tied with 3-10 records, then I would think at least one of them is going to mail it in for the rest of the season, just to get the No. 1 pick.

It'll never happen, but its something interesting to discuss when there is so little going on.

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[quote=paulskinsfan;313306]Well, if it only involved the bottom five teams, then it would certainly shake up draft day with potential trades. Also, if there are 2-3 teams tied with 3-10 records, then I would think at least one of them is going to mail it in for the rest of the season, just to get the No. 1 pick.

It'll never happen, but its something interesting to discuss when there is so little going on.[/quote]


even then i still wouldnt do it cause what if we had what we had this year with the coin flip so the team that loses the coin flip would not be in the lottery thats not fair cause they are just as bad

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the reason this wont happen is that there isn't one player single player that teams will intentionally try to lose to get...There are no Micheal Jordans in Football...its much more of a team game. When you have 11 starters on both sides of the ball and not just 5 the impact of one player diminishes quite bit. I mean Calvin Johnson was on the top of everyone draft board but didn't go number one and was thought to drop to four. So theres no need for a lottery and it will never happen

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Another "NO!" from me.

I'll even add, I think the NBA should scrap the lottery.

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[quote=Misterbillysells;313316]There are no Micheal Jordans in Football...[/quote]

Ladanian Tomlinson... :)

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Ahhhhhhhhhhhhh, NO!

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[quote=Buster;313346]Ladanian Tomlinson... :)[/quote]


tom brady, peyton manning, the old randy moss