Do you think Casey Bramlet has a chance to make #3 QB
 

With Casey having an outstanding season in NFL Europa, do you think he has a chance to bump Collins or Brunell, for the #3 QB spot?

He is currently leading there league in Passing Yards, Touchdown Passes & QB rating.

I think he has a real good shot at being our #3 QB. We all know the teams love for Mark, but a really think one of these two has a real good chance of getting cut. Keeping Palmer on the pratice squad.

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He's looked impressive, and with Collins on for what is it, something like 1.2 million next year, I think Bramlet has a real shot at No. 3.

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Casey Bramlet's stats link:

[url=http://www.redskins.com/news/newsDetail.jsp?id=6226]Bramlet Continues to Shine[/url]

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Well JLC said that it seems like Collins might get cut and Bramlet will take 3rd. See other thread.

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Now that Brunell has had a season to absorb Saunders' offense, I think the advantage Collins had with knowing the system has been mitigated to the point that it's not enough to compensate for his lackluster skills. Bring in a promising third guy like Bramlett, let him hit the books for a year or two, and hope he doesn't have to play before Brunell retires.

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i dont see why not get rid of collins, why not let bramlett have a chance

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[quote=djnemo65;315847]Now that Brunell has had a season to absorb Saunders' offense, I think the advantage Collins had with knowing the system has been mitigated to the point that it's not enough to compensate for his lackluster skills. Bring in a promising third guy let Bramlett, let him hit the books for a year or two, and hope he doesn't have to play before Brunell retires.[/quote]

Yeah, most Brunell haters dont understand our D really did suck a large one and that gave him less opportunities to succeed.

I dont know, Al's guy is gone, he might start a hissy fit.

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it could be a possibilty. release collins this year. and move bramlet to 3rd string. then next year have him and palmer battle it out for that spot. or get rid of brunnel and slide them both up a slot next year.

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Very little chance this year, IMO. I think Collins will remain with the team as a backup QB longer than Brunell; meaning I believe this is Brunell's last year. This all hinges on Saunders tenure with the team, of course.

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i think it is his to lose. if brunell is healthy bramlet is 3rd.

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[quote=724Skinsfan;315871]Very little chance this year, IMO. I think Collins will remain with the team as a backup QB longer than Brunell; meaning I believe this is Brunell's last year. This all hinges on Saunders tenure with the team, of course.[/quote]

I think Saunders is gonna be here for a while. The offense started to click last year, I still really dont believe that bull about him just not being able to produce when he has such a clear track record. I mean it has been hammered a million times, his offense really clicks the 2nd year. And from all reports so far during OTAs JC seems to be speeding up and the O looks good.

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[quote=hooskins;315878]I think Saunders is gonna be here for a while. [/quote]

Then I would believe Collins will be here a while, as well. One can hope he sees the light and retires and then hires on as a coaches assistant of sorts but I feel he really wants to be under center still.

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Well between Brunell and Collins, I'd probaboly rather see Collins go...but if our season comes down to either of them anyways...we're in trouble.

I mean with some of the success stories that have come out of NFL Europe, I hope Bramlet stays on this team as long as he proved himself in training camp..he could be a diamond in the rough shoudl things ever go south with Jason (injury or poor play).

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No way in hell. Next.

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Collins is as good as gone, as long as Palmer and/or Bramlet show some promise. Gibbs prefers to have the #3 and #4 QB spot filled by young guys. Brunnell fills the #2 veteran role. Collins is the odd man out.

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Where would that leave Palmer?

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I think there is a good chance that we will carry four QB's on the roster this year, so yes I do think there is a pretty good chance of Bramlet making it as a #3, or #4.

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[QUOTE=angryssg;315909]Where would that leave Palmer?[/QUOTE]

Practice squad, NFL-E next year.. Bramlett should be the #3 this year.. Collins was a safety blanket last year since he was the only one who knew the offense besides Saunders.

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I hope by 2008 that both the young guys make the squad, so we have some big cannons as backups if JC goes down or somehow doesn't cut it.

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[quote=skinsfan_nn;315841]With Casey having an outstanding season in NFL Europa, do you think he has a chance to bump Collins or Brunell, for the #3 QB spot?

He is currently leading there league in Passing Yards, Touchdown Passes & QB rating.

I think he has a real good shot at being our #3 QB. We all know the teams love for Mark, but a really think one of these two has a real good chance of getting cut. Keeping Palmer on the pratice squad.[/quote]No, and only because we invested a pick in Jordan Palmer. I think Palmer will make the roster.

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Brunell and Campbell are becoming more familiar with Saunders' 700-page playbook, so Collins' role as playbook-translator is less important. Collins is old and getting older. So, while I think Collins has value, his value is diminishing.

Personally, I'd like to see Campbell develop into a solid starter with a firm hold on the #1 position, Brunell holding down the fort at #2, and either Bramlet or Palmer at #3. Third-string QBs rarely hit the field and I'd like to see if we could develop a young QB to replace Brunell in 2008 or, at the very least, develop into a mediocre backup.

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If Bramlett or Palmer can't show enough to warrent the 3rd string position ahead of Collins I would really have to question thier ability to play in the NFL, Collins is horrible he has to be the odd man out. I really don't want to see Brunell come near the field this season, but I doubt Bramlett will show enough to position himself for the #2 spot behind Campbell leaving the #3 spot for Palmer, Palmer and Bramlett will have to battle it out for the 3rd string backup. It would be very nice to see both of those guy's show enough to make the final roster but that wont happen.

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With Bramletts numbers if he can keep improving he may at some point catch the eye of another team and have some trade value or stay and become our #2 guy next year after Brunell retires. I do not watch NFl Eur. but is he playing that good or does he just have that good of a team.

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I'd love to see Bramlet get a chance, but I think our draft pick Palmer will be the #3. Since we drafted him (and he DOES show promise), we should do what we can to develop him. We'll need a backup when Brunell retires.

Really, it won't make a difference if Bramlet, Palmer or Collins is #3. If we're down to our #3 QB, our season is already lost.

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I don't think people are saying we'd want them to be playing. I think people are saying they'd much rather retain a backup that has a lot of promise than eventually get to where we lose Brunell and Collins and we're like, "Uh oh! Now what?"

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Bramlet is still a long shot. Tearing up the NFLE isn't saying much. Danny Wuerffel was a freaking all-star over there.

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I think Palmer is practice squad material at best. He'll have no shot to beat out Collins.

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[quote=Mattyk72;316063]Bramlet is still a long shot. Tearing up the NFLE isn't saying much. Danny Wuerffel was a freaking all-star over there.[/quote]

So you think Casey is a long shot for the #3 spot?

I think collins is on his way out, Casey would IMO be the most reasonable replacement at the #3 spot.

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1.475 Million is a lot to pay for a third QB. Face it, this is a guy who isn't going to even see the field unless things go very wrong. I have to believe that either Collins or Brunell will be gone. That money could be better used to re-sign Cooley.

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I have no idea who will be the #3 QB this year. Here's something I am sure of:


If the Skins have to turn to the #3 QB to take 20 snaps for any reason other than they are winning a game by 44 points or more in the 4th quarter and they decide to give the #3 guy a few reps, then the Skins' season will be circling the drain.

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[QUOTE=firstdown;316034]With Bramletts numbers if he can keep improving he may at some point catch the eye of another team and have some trade value or stay and become our #2 guy next year after Brunell retires. I do not watch NFl Eur. but is he playing that good or does he just have that good of a team.[/QUOTE]

I saw a bit of game earlier this week. I wasn't that impressed. He totally underthrew a wide open receiver and cost his team a sure touchdown. But that was one bad play. It looked like the other team's secondary really sucked or his WRs were that good. The CBs back were almost always turned or out of position.

I'd still prefer him to Collins though. Give him or Palmer a shot.

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[quote=skinsfan_nn;316072]So you think Casey is a long shot for the #3 spot?

I think collins is on his way out, Casey would IMO be the most reasonable replacement at the #3 spot.[/quote]

Collins has a huge advantage in that he's someone that Saunders really trusts. Bramlet would have to be very, very impressive in camp in order for him to take Collins spot. I just don't see that happening.

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[url=http://blog.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/2007/06/casey_bramlet_tearing_it_upspr.html#comments]Casey Bramlet Tearing It Up/Springs Still Excused - Redskins Insider[/url]

JLC also has some nice things to say about him too. Cutting Collins with that salary and at least giving Bramlet a chance sounds good to me.

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[quote=sportscurmudgeon;316088]I have no idea who will be the #3 QB this year. Here's something I am sure of:


If the Skins have to turn to the #3 QB to take 20 snaps for any reason other than they are winning a game by 44 points or more in the 4th quarter and they decide to give the #3 guy a few reps, then the Skins' season will be circling the drain.[/quote]

C'mon guys haven't u seen Any Given Sunday...I hope we pick up Jamie Foxx as our 3rd string QB. Hey it could happen.

Seriously though, I don't think bramlet or palmer or collins making the team makes that big of a difference one way or another in the grand scheme of things. However, as someone pointed out early it could be beneficial if either palmer or bramlet develops and we can use his trade value to better the team at some other position.

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I think that it comes down to who plays better in camp. I believe in letting players in effect make the decision about who is going to make the team, start, etc.

If Collins is here and he plays best, he's third string. In fact, if he plays better than Jason Campbell, I think he should start. I would not expect that, but my point is that I do think that that is the way to make decisions about the lineup. Campbell I expect like everyone else in the world to start, but only because I think he is the best player, not because he is anointed for other reasons.

Let the players play, and play the ones who play the best - not who you think will be the best - who is the best.

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Wait....wasn't Atlanta looking for another QB? Lets just ship him off....free of charge. Well maybe we can bring up the topic of a DE or DL and if they don't bite we can simply cut him. Keep the young guys. I only hope Bramlet shows well. I know he looks good over there but it maybe that he understands the system he is in better over there. I know he learned our system this year but he has not been here learning what he has to do like JC has. I think it would have been better to name JC 1st string and train both over the break so they both under stand the offense.

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[quote=Mattyk72;316101]Collins has a huge advantage in that he's someone that Saunders really trusts. Bramlet would have to be very, very impressive in camp in order for him to take Collins spot. I just don't see that happening.[/quote]

I think collins marriage with saunders is about to disolve, I don't know about the trust, he's never been his starter. He's old and a life time backup, and making to much cash.

I think collins would be the first to go, if mark isn't where they think he should be, it could be him but I doubt it very seriously.

We could bring in casey alot cheaper to carry a clip board.

I could think of alot of better uses of that cash than colllins at #3 QB.

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I've followed the Hamburg Sea Devils in particular because of Casey Bramlet. I LOVE this kid. He gets it done in the clutch when he needs too. Anyone see the game yesterday? Awesome finish. Bramlet should be a WALK-ON for #3. Collins should, SHOULD!, go bye bye with Brunell at #2. Palmer on practice squad.

All hail Bramlet.

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[quote=JGisLordOfTheRings;316813]I've followed the Hamburg Sea Devils in particular because of Casey Bramlet. I LOVE this kid. He gets it done in the clutch when he needs too. Anyone see the game yesterday? Awesome finish. Bramlet should be a WALK-ON for #3. Collins should, SHOULD!, go bye bye with Brunell at #2. Palmer on practice squad.

All hail Bramlet.[/quote]

Yes, I did catch some of the game, and yes this kid looks sharp. I do agree if you're gonna have a guy carrying a clip board, make it a young guy that might have a future in the NFL, for a lot less money than Collins.

It would make no sense to pay Collins, as long as Mark is healthy, which apparently he is throwing well and ahead of schedule. I would bring in Casey as #3 and dump Al's boy.

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The throw Bramlet made for the game winning TD was easily a pro-bowl throw. I'm not exaggerating at all either.

The defender was draped ALL OVER the WR. The WR didn't even have a half step on the guy, let alone a full step. Bramlet launched the thing from his own 45 and it dropped over his WR's outside shoulder at the 3 yard line, landing in the ONLY spot where the WR could catch it and the DB couldn't.

When a defender is draped all over a WR like that, there's only one place you can put the ball, and that's in the place where the WR can use his body as a shield. Bramlet managed to do that from 53 yards away, for a game winner.

Now before I get all carried away, it's NFL Europe, and it by no means indicates he's ready to play in the NFL. But I don't care about Todd Collins and his knowledge of the system and experience and all that crap. For the #3 QB spot, we need to keep this kid around. He's got what it takes.

If for no other reason, we've got to find a way to keep him so he doesn't wind up playing for someone else (especially Dallas, NYG, or Philly).