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How lame was that? I think the show has sucked for this season, remember this is only the 2nd half of season 6, the first half started a long ass time ago. The Sopranos used to be such a killer show and now that its gone I won't miss it because it has sucked for a long time now. What a crappy way to end.

p.s. the best part was Phil Leatardo dying

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Never watched that trash.

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first two and a half seasons were great... then it became one of the worst shows ever, especially with the ending they had tonight.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;316846]Never watched that trash.[/quote]

TRASH??? Are you kidding? The last two seasons left a little to be desired, but overall it was one of the best and most successful cable tv shows ever. I loved it, but it the series finale was a dissapointment. But not trash, IMO. Man though, seeing Phil die was great. F that guy.

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I think Chase used this ending to knowingly mess with the show's fans. I don't know why, but he'd rather leave it up to interpretation. I say the "never see it coming" ending is inferred, but who knows?

I think this finale guarantees "The Wire" will be considered the greater drama of the two, after all is said and done (if it isn't already).

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I jacked [URL="http://thechaselounge.net/showthread.php?t=1937&page=9"]this[/URL] from a Sopranos forum:

"Another observation: As Tony is flipping through the jukebox choices, the Journey tab has "Don't Stop Believing" as the "A" side and "Any Way You Want It" as the "B" side. The latter was most definitely not the "B" side of the former as it was recorded about 5-7 years earlier. Now obviously they can stack those tunes on a jukebox in any fashion, but unless someone here can conclusively tell me this is standard A Side/B Side, I think the B side tells us exactly how Chase wants us to view the end end of the "Journey." Any way you want it." - St. Stephen

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What a brilliant ending. So perfect. I guarantee we will still be talking about this show in 30 years.

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[quote=itvnetop;316868]I think Chase used this ending to knowingly mess with the show's fans. I don't know why, but he'd rather leave it up to interpretation. I say the "never see it coming" ending is inferred, but who knows?

[B]I think this finale guarantees "The Wire" will be considered the greater drama of the two, after all is said and done (if it isn't already).[/[/B]quote]

TOOK THE WORDS RIGHT OUT OF MY MOUTH !!!!

I'm mad because I have to admit to my friend that he was right. I told him that the Sopranos' legacy as far as being compared to The Wire depended on the finale. The feeling I had after staying up to watch the show last night, my heart is racing when Tony is in the diner wondering what was going to happen. So many suspicions, wondering what was going to happen next. And then it just goes blank, I held my breath until the credits were over because I thought it would come back and then something kick ass was going to happen. I thought that being a dillegent viewer that I would be rewarded with Tony getting shot in a flash when the credits ended or something, not saying that I wanted him to die. When it was over at 1:00 in the freaking morning I said to myself, "Are you fucking kidding me?" The Wire all day for me now !

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Remember when Tony and Bobby were in the boat talking about getting whacked? Tony said that you don't hear anything, you just fade to black. Well, Tony faded to black. I guess the Members Only jacket guy came out blasting.

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[quote=Manusky91;317217]Remember when Tony and Bobby were in the boat talking about getting whacked? Tony said that you don't hear anything, you just fade to black. Well, Tony faded to black. I guess the Members Only jacket guy came out blasting.[/quote]


that is a really good point! I really just wanted to see AJ get killed. I really hated that little whiney prick!

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it was a brilliant ending that went over most people's heads. EVERY person in the diner had been in previous episodes of the show...make the connections.

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[QUOTE=Warpath;316843]p.s. the best part was Phil Leatardo dying[/QUOTE]

I agree. I hated that guy more than anyone on that show.

The ending was a little lame, but Chase left it wide open just in case they make a movie or one last season.

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[QUOTE=dblanch66;317226]it was a brilliant ending that went over most people's heads. EVERY person in the diner had been in previous episodes of the show...make the connections.[/QUOTE]

I read somewhere that this is incorrect.

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You guys might be interested in reading this

[url=http://blog.nj.com/alltv/2007/06/david_chase_speaks.html]David Chase speaks! - NJ.com All TV[/url]

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It Sucked!

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[QUOTE=dblanch66;317226]it was a brilliant ending that went over most people's heads. EVERY person in the diner had been in previous episodes of the show...make the connections.[/QUOTE]

That's actually been debunked

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[quote=mredskins;317220]that is a really good point! I really just wanted to see AJ get killed. I really hated that little whiney prick![/quote]

I heard but haven't had the time to check that the first episode this season when Tony and Bobby are in the boat is labeled "Members Only"

I also heard that the killer was Phil's brother.

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I think the best analysis I have read so far explaining the mixed reaction to the finale is this: the Sopranos, for whatever reason, was a show simultaneously able to appeal to those with an appreciation for sophisticated art and film as well as those who just like crime capers and interesting TV shows. The former crowd gets the ending and is thrilled by the genius of it, the TV guys are understandibly pissed at the lack of resolution

What Chase has done is solidify the show's place in history as art, perhaps the crowning artistic achievement of this era. I think the fact that Joe 6-pack feels cheated is of little consequence to him.

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[QUOTE=Manusky91;317579]I heard but haven't had the time to check that the first episode this season when Tony and Bobby are in the boat is labeled "Members Only"

I also heard that the killer was Phil's brother.[/QUOTE]

The episode when Tony and Bobby are in the boat is titled "Soprano Home Movies." Members only was the first episode of season 6, where Phil began to assume control of New York. The boat episode was actually technically 14. The killer is not Phil's brother. That has been debunked.

My final thought is this. Anyone looking to clues within the scene to figure out what happened is completely missing the point of the ending. The point is that those questions aren't answered, and aren't going to be answered. That's why we will still be talking about this show 20 years from now.

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The point of the scene is that this is what Tony's life has come to. Doing something mundane like eating out with the family is a paranoia consuming effort now. Whether his life goes on or not doesn't matter because his life blows. We're not really supposed to care whether he got capped or not. We're supposed to know that his life, or any thing resembling what we'd call a life is already over. It ends so aburptly to magnify the fact that we already know how it ends since he has no life to speak of. His friends are all dead and he's one rat away from going to jail. What happened next does not matter. It's is already over.

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[QUOTE=FRPLG;317597]The point of the scene is that this is what Tony's life has come to. Doing something mundane like eating out with the family is a paranoia consuming effort now. Whether his life goes on or not doesn't matter because his life blows. We're not really supposed to care whether he got capped or not. We're supposed to know that his life, or any thing resembling what we'd call a life is already over. It ends so aburptly to magnify the fact that we already know how it ends since he has no life to speak of. His friends are all dead and he's one rat away from going to jail. What happened next does not matter. It's is already over.[/QUOTE]

exactly

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[QUOTE=djnemo65;317577]That's actually been debunked[/QUOTE]

source?

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I watched the last 15 minutes last night just to see what the big deal was. Keep in mind I haven't watched the show regularly since season 2.

I liked the ending, sure it wasn't gift wrapped with a bow on top but what's the fun in that?? We all know what's going to happen to Tony anyway, he's either going to get wacked or go to prison. I know there are no plans right now, but I think they're also keeping open the possibility of a movie down the road.

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The audience got whacked. We never saw it coming, and we faded to black.

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[QUOTE=Beemnseven;317638]The audience got whacked. We never saw it coming, and we faded to black.[/QUOTE]

Good point.

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[quote=Beemnseven;317638]The audience got whacked. We never saw it coming, and we faded to black.[/quote]

LOL good take

I think that's seriously a good point though. In those last few minutes you definitely see things from Tony's perspective. The constant paranoia, looking at everyone who comes in the room, never knowing who could be coming for him at any given time, then all of a sudden the screen goes blank and it's over.

What happened we say?

But does it really matter?

When it's over for you in real life you won't know what happened and I think that was the point of this ending.

The show is over, the ending really didn't matter, it was the journey that mattered and perhaps the reason for the Journey song playing at the end.

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[quote=FRPLG;317597]The point of the scene is that this is what Tony's life has come to. Doing something mundane like eating out with the family is a paranoia consuming effort now. Whether his life goes on or not doesn't matter because his life blows. We're not really supposed to care whether he got capped or not. We're supposed to know that his life, or any thing resembling what we'd call a life is already over. It ends so aburptly to magnify the fact that we already know how it ends since he has no life to speak of. His friends are all dead and he's one rat away from going to jail. What happened next does not matter. It's is already over.[/quote]

Great summation. Congrats.

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[quote=itvnetop;316869]I jacked [URL="http://thechaselounge.net/showthread.php?t=1937&page=9"]this[/URL] from a Sopranos forum:

"Another observation: As Tony is flipping through the jukebox choices, the Journey tab has "Don't Stop Believing" as the "A" side and "Any Way You Want It" as the "B" side. The latter was most definitely not the "B" side of the former as it was recorded about 5-7 years earlier. Now obviously they can stack those tunes on a jukebox in any fashion, but unless someone here can conclusively tell me this is standard A Side/B Side, I think the B side tells us exactly how Chase wants us to view the end end of the "Journey." Any way you want it." - St. Stephen[/quote]

I REALLY like that analysis. Nice one.

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[url=http://www.cnn.com/2007/SHOWBIZ/TV/06/15/television.sopranos.reut/index.html]Think Tony Soprano's dead? You may be right - CNN.com[/url]

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SS, the most interesting thing about that article for me is that it alleges that David Chase has/had a specific ending in mind, and that it thus isn't as ambiguous as many people, myself included, had originally thought. You do have to wonder about that flashback.

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[QUOTE=djnemo65;318724]SS, the most interesting thing about that article for me is that it alleges that David Chase has/had a specific ending in mind, and that it thus isn't as ambiguous as many people, myself included, had originally thought. You do have to wonder about that flashback.[/QUOTE]

Apparently five different endings were shot, right? I imagine the DVD will come out with all five endings. It'd be interesting to see what the different endings are