WR McCardell considering signing with Redskins, Texans
 

Free agent wide receiver [URL="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=2014"][COLOR=#000000]Keenan McCardell[/COLOR][/URL], the No. 9 pass-catcher in NFL history, may decide to finish his career with the franchise that originally brought him into the league.

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ESPN.com has confirmed through league sources that McCardell is in active negotiations with the [URL="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=was"][COLOR=#000000]Washington Redskins[/COLOR][/URL], who chose him in the 12th round of the 1991 draft. Released by the [URL="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=sdg"][COLOR=#000000]San Diego Chargers[/COLOR][/URL] earlier this spring, McCardell is also discussing a contract with the [URL="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=hou"][COLOR=#000000]Houston Texans[/COLOR][/URL], where he visited club officials and coaches three weeks ago.
There had been some uncertainty over whether McCardell, 37, wanted to continue his career in 2007. It seems, however, that McCardell has decided to return for this season, and now will determine where he will play.

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This would be a good thing. He is a cagey vet and a great route runner. He's a zone beater. I hope this pans out.

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I'm torn on this one. I'm a big McCardell fan, but I might have preferred him 2-3 years ago. Who goes then? Thrash or Espy?

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[quote=SmootSmack;319581]I'm torn on this one. I'm a big McCardell fan, but I might have preferred him 2-3 years ago. Who goes then? Thrash or Espy?[/quote]

Tough call. Espy's father worked for Clinton which is a mark against him. But seriously, James would really be on the bubble. Gibbs loves him to death, though Or they could get rid of Brandon "Please Don't Hit Me" Lloyd.

Let's see:

Moss, Randle-El, LLoyd, McCardell, Espy. Who am I forgetting? They could keep Thrash as 6th on the special teams rationale.

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[QUOTE=70Chip;319582]Tough call. Espy's father worked for Clinton which is a mark against him. But seriously, James would really be on the bubble. Gibbs loves him to death, though Or they could get rid of Brandon "Please Don't Hit Me" Lloyd.

Let's see:

Moss, Randle-El, LLoyd, McCardell, Espy. Who am I forgetting? They could keep Thrash as 6th on the special teams rationale.[/QUOTE]

They keep Thrash as 6th on the special teams rationale then you could probably be looking at Rock, Ade or Khary gone on that same rationale.

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I like McCardell, and I think he is under-appreciated almost everywhere he goes. I lived in Tampa, and he was pretty much the best receiver on the team when they let him go. Nobody in Tampa seemed to care. Now the same thing basically happened in San Diego.

He definitely knows how to get open, and he actually has great hands. I would like to have him, but only for vet. min. -- which probably won't happen if there are other teams interested. We just have too many receivers as it is.

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Yes, this is a tough one. I don't think we would let thrash go, it would proubally be Espy....? I like McCardell a good vet that would be nice to have, if he has any gas left in the tank.

I think Espy has a strong upside, he just needs a chance, and had a really strong showing at mini-camp he was in the top four list of best camp players, he just needs a chance to prove himself in a real game.

I guess if I had to pick it would be the proven vet IF HE CAN STILL PLAY, with a year, but not so sure. This is a tough call!

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McCardell is older than dirt...and one of my sources tells me McCardell was alive during the Adam and Eve era. I would give him a call if someone on the current roster is injured though.

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Another washed up veteran looking to get paid. Will the Skins ever learn their lesson? He was a great receiver, just like Keyshawn. The important word is [U]was[/U]. I do think he might add depth, but for crying out loud how many more old vets can we pay out? I say keep Thrash and use him more, and that means use him on more plays than just running plays. With Moss, Lloyd, Randle El, and Thrash the Skins have plenty of WR talent to get it done.

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The more I think about it, as much as I like him I'd prefer we stick with the guys we've got.

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I wouldn't mind him in the #3/#4 role.

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[QUOTE=Warpath;319592]Another washed up veteran looking to get paid. Will the Skins ever learn their lesson? He was a great receiver, just like Keyshawn. The important word is [U]was[/U]. I do think he might add depth, but for crying out loud how many more old vets can we pay out? I say keep Thrash and use him more, and that means use him on more plays than just running plays. With Moss, Lloyd, Randle El, and Thrash the Skins have plenty of WR talent to get it done.[/QUOTE]

Other than Cooley what big redzone target do we have? I think he would complement our existing core quite well.

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Let's look at our WR situation realistically. Outside of Moss we don't have a guy that is a consistent player.

Lloyd was a ghost last year and is a complete unknown coming into this year. He could either get his head on straight and produce or he could pout his way to the bench very quickly.

Randle El is a solid #3, but as a #2 he doesn't scare anyone.

Thrash is a solid vet but again, he doesn't scare anyone and he's a #3 at best, probably closer to a #4 at this point in his career.

The reality of this is McCardell could step in and immediately be a very solid #3 guy and possibly a #2 if needed, a consistent vet who knows how to get open, knows how to play the game and can still play. Just 2 years ago he had 70 catches and 9 TDs for San Diego.

I wouldn't be against this move at all, I think he could be had for a reasonable price too.

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I'd like to see particularly how Lloyd and Espy do this summer. I have high hopes for both, particularly Lloyd. And while KM can be an instant contributor perhaps, I'd rather see Campbell develop a chemistry that could last several years with guys like Lloyd.

I like McCardell a lot, but big picture I don't know that he's the best fit here.

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[quote=Mattyk72;319599]Let's look at our WR situation realistically. Outside of Moss we don't have a guy that is a consistent player.

Lloyd was a ghost last year and is a complete unknown coming into this year. He could either get his head on straight and produce or he could pout his way to the bench very quickly.

Randle El is a solid #3, but as a #2 he doesn't scare anyone.

Thrash is a solid vet but again, he doesn't scare anyone and he's a #3 at best, probably closer to a #4 at this point in his career.

The reality of this is McCardell could step in and immediately be a very solid #3 guy and possibly a #2 if needed, a consistent vet who knows how to get open, knows how to play the game and can still play. Just 2 years ago he had 70 catches and 9 TDs for San Diego.

I wouldn't be against this move at all, I think he could be had for a reasonable price too.[/quote]

At his age trying to wrap up his career "if" in DC, I don't think cash is the point. He would not require a big payout.

If he can still play, I would not be opposed to bringing him back for the year.

I think your dead on about Lloyd could go either way, I do hope this is his year to redeem himself? But that's anyone's guess at this point, I was hoping we dumped his ass right along with ARCH.

But Thrash isn't a #2 or #3 at WR, but great all around teams/ depth player that we should keep.

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[quote=SmootSmack;319584]They keep Thrash as 6th on the special teams rationale then you could probably be looking at Rock, Ade or Khary gone on that same rationale.[/quote]


Ade is family. Ade stays. What a horrible thought.

Truthfully it may be time for J.T. to go on down the road. Espy will probably beat him out.

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If we can get Keenan at a good price I am all for this, I still think that he can perform at a pretty high level.

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[quote=Mattyk72;319599]Let's look at our WR situation realistically. Outside of Moss we don't have a guy that is a consistent player.

Lloyd was a ghost last year and is a complete unknown coming into this year. He could either get his head on straight and produce or he could pout his way to the bench very quickly.

Randle El is a solid #3, but as a #2 he doesn't scare anyone.

Thrash is a solid vet but again, he doesn't scare anyone and he's a #3 at best, probably closer to a #4 at this point in his career.

The reality of this is McCardell could step in and immediately be a very solid #3 guy and possibly a #2 if needed, a consistent vet who knows how to get open, knows how to play the game and can still play. Just 2 years ago he had 70 catches and 9 TDs for San Diego.

I wouldn't be against this move at all, I think he could be had for a reasonable price too.[/quote]

I agree with you 100%! Lloyd and randle El may make a lot of $ but that does not mean they are productive NFL guys. Cause they are not as far as pass catchers. Randle El has more value cause of teams. thrash is a solid #3. But the reality is we only have one NFL legit WR and he is a little fragile if you ask me. I mean Moss' hamstring is already hurt and the season hasn't even begun yet. This is why I was screaming for us to try and move up and take CJ. So bring KM in here. I know he's old as dirt but it aint gonna hurt to bring in an old pro who knows how to get open. More competition hopefully means better play from everybody.

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[quote=Mattyk72;319594]I wouldn't mind him in the #3/#4 role.[/quote]

One reason why this isn't going to happen is you need your #3 or #4 to play teams. KM does not play teams.

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[quote=70Chip;319612]Ade is family. Ade stays. What a horrible thought.

Truthfully it may be time for J.T. to go on down the road. Espy will probably beat him out.[/quote]

I'll take that bet any day of the week. Espy for Thrash ain't happenin.

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[quote=SmootSmack;319581]I'm torn on this one. I'm a big McCardell fan, but I might have preferred him 2-3 years ago. Who goes then? Thrash or Espy?[/quote]

Espy damn it. Espy and how are you SS everything well?

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If we can get him for a low-ball price. I am all for this.

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[QUOTE=EARTHQUAKE2689;319637]Espy damn it. Espy and how are you SS everything well?[/QUOTE]

I'm doing ok. Trying to finalize a bunch of deals. Tired but pluggin away

How are you?

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[quote=SmootSmack;319639]I'm doing ok. Trying to finalize a bunch of deals. Tired but pluggin away

How are you?[/quote]


Good, good I am trying to finish my portfolio to present to the head of the journalism department to see if I qualify for a scholarship. 534 pages been writing about football and basketball since I was 7. Almost done typing all of it. Man that was taxing.

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I am fine. He wont command much of a bonus, if any, and he can push guys for a spot. If he can be a solid possesion guy then he already is an asset. I'd say Espy is gone probably. Thrash > Espy in terms of value.

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[quote=FRPLG;319661]I am fine. He wont command much of a bonus, if any, and he can push guys for a spot. If he can be a solid possesion guy then he already is an asset. I'd say Espy is gone probably. Thrash > Espy in terms of value.[/quote]


He will be a key target in the red zone along with Chris Cooley.

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[QUOTE=FRPLG;319661]I am fine. He wont command much of a bonus, if any, and he can push guys for a spot. If he can be a solid possesion guy then he already is an asset. I'd say Espy is gone probably. Thrash > Espy in terms of value.[/QUOTE]

What about long-term value? Adding Keenan to Thrash is just two cagey veterans at this point. But what's the upside of having them both? Mike Espy apparently had a pretty good minicamp and has potential to be a long term fix.

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[quote=SmootSmack;319691]What about long-term value? Adding Keenan to Thrash is just two cagey veterans at this point. But what's the upside of having them both? [B][I][FONT=Arial Black][SIZE=4]Mike Espy apparently had a pretty good minicamp and has potential to be a long term fix.[/quote][/SIZE][/FONT][/I][/B]
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[FONT=Arial]At what i ask mr. smack[/FONT]

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Is that another rhetorical question?

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[quote=SmootSmack;319695]Is that another rhetorical question?[/quote]


no ss i am serious what is he a long term fix at? I never ask rhetorical questions.

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[QUOTE=EARTHQUAKE2689;319697]no ss i am serious what is he a long term fix at? I never ask rhetorical questions.[/QUOTE]

At wide receiver. Actually, he could even return kicks and allow Betts to have a bigger role in the offense. Maybe he's no more than a 3, perhaps a 2 one day. But still, this is similar to the Golston/Montgomery situations. There's so much trepidation toward giving them a chance to develop, and show what they can do. We can't constantly complain about the Redskins not developing their own players and always going for the big name out in the market, and then turn around and protest when they try to develop their own guys-such as Golston, Montgomery, and Espy.

I mean, look at Keenan McCardell himself. With Monk, Green, and Sanders there was no room for that no-name here so he went elsewhere and his career took off. All he needed was the opportunity and he took full advantage. Now we should give Espy his opportunity.

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[quote=SmootSmack;319700]At wide receiver. Actually, he could even return kicks and allow Betts to have a bigger role in the offense. Maybe he's no more than a 3, perhaps a 2 one day. But still, this is similar to the Golston/Montgomery situations. There's so much trepidation toward giving them a chance to develop, and show what they can do. We can't constantly complain about the Redskins not developing their own players and always going for the big name out in the market, and then turn around and protest when they try to develop their own guys-such as Golston, Montgomery, and Espy.

I mean, look at Keenan McCardell himself. With Monk, Green, and Sanders there was no room for that no-name here so he went elsewhere and his career took off. All he needed was the opportunity and he took full advantage. Now we should give Espy his opportunity.[/quote]


While that is true, our main 3 recievers are all still in their prime (not to mention that cooley is there too) So i dont see him as anything other that a KR in which gibbs likes using runningbacks and i kind of liked cartwright back there and blaylock was the back up KR to hall in KC

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[QUOTE=EARTHQUAKE2689;319703]While that is true, our main 3 recievers are all still in their prime (not to mention that cooley is there too) So i dont see him as anything other that a KR in which gibbs likes using runningbacks and i kind of liked cartwright back there and blaylock was the back up KR to hall in KC[/QUOTE]

Good points. Ultimately, I don't think we lose out either way. But my personal preference is keep Espy and focus on developing him. Especially considering that he'll be ok not playing much this year since he's young. Would McCardell be ok as the #4 guy? Was Patten? And I don't think we should change 1-3 (Moss, Lloyd, El)

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[quote=SmootSmack;319705]Good points. Ultimately, I don't think we lose out either way. But my personal preference is keep Espy and focus on developing him. Especially considering that he'll be ok not playing much this year since he's young. Would McCardell be ok as the #4 guy? Was Patten? And I don't think we should change 1-3 (Moss, Lloyd, El)[/quote]


i say if we keep espy and sign mccardell cut thrash then but he is such a key special teams player that keeps him around mccardell doesnt play special teams

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[quote=SmootSmack;319593]The more I think about it, as much as I like him I'd prefer we stick with the guys we've got.[/quote]

Yeah I think it would be a useless move and it takes up another roster spot on a team stacked with WRs. This potential move reminds me of something like the Duckett signing. It is one of those where you just shake your head and wonder what the fuck are they doing.

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Has Thrash lost so much speed? I read ran a 4.2 40 in college and remember he took the mantle of "fastest Redskin" off of #28's shoulders.

He has also been good coming back to the QB when he's under pressure and is usually very good at getting the yards for the first down.

He hasn't had that much playing time at wide receiver in the last few years and so it has been hard to judge his current capabilities. (Last year they couldn't because they had to play the "hot" free agents we had picked up.)

So before we ditch him I'd like to see what he can (still) do.

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The thing about McCardell is that he would help Jason Campbell a lot. I think that the Redskins want a great veteran there who will make life easier for a young quarterback, giving him a solid possession-receiver option.

McCardell wouldn't come here to be any less than the number three receiver. After all, he could start in his home town of Houston as things stand.

Randle El hasn't really begun to show what he can do, and I think that he will be the number two receiver.

Lloyd, I think has a lot of talent, but right now I don't know if he fits into the plans given that Jason will likely have young quarterback challenges. We may well not be able to sign McCardell, but if we do, I think that Lloyd will drop down to number four on the depth chart.

I like the point about keeping Espy around to give him a chance to develop. If he isn't going to have much of a chance here anytime soon, it might be fairer to him to see if another team has more of an opportunity to give him. James Thrash is not going anywhere - he's a core Redskin. Special teams come first, and he's first on special teams. Not to mention a team leader and good receiver.

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I say the more competition the better. Gibbs knows that if you wanna win it now you grab quality veterans when possible. McCardell would be a great addition to our WR Corps. I really hope we sign him. Always thought he was severely underrated.

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Just what the skins need, an over-the-hill vet looking for a big payday. No thanks.

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I say no. Just more money to take away from Cooley's potential contract.