Snyder ranked as league's 5th best owner
 

[B][URL="http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writers/michael_silver/06/27/ownerrankings/index.html"]SI.com - Writers - Michael Silver: Ranking the NFL owners - Monday July 2, 2007 4:25PM[/URL][/B]

[B]5. Daniel Snyder, Redskins[/B]

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Though he has yet to make the Redskins a consistent winner, owner Daniel Snyder has succeeded in making his team one of the most valuable in all of sports.
William E. Amatucci Jr./WireImage.com


[IMG]http://i.cnn.net/si/images/1.gif[/IMG]If anything, Snyder tries [I]too hard[/I] to build a winner. In January '06, when Snyder wooed former Chiefs offensive coordinator [B]Al Saunders[/B] with a three-year deal worth more than $2 million annually, it seemed like a great move on paper. Instead, Saunders' philosophy clashed with that of head coach [B]Joe Gibbs[/B], which was one reason the team fell from a playoff appearance in '05 to a 5-11 finish last season. Snyder's zealous mentality also enables Gibbs and VP of football operations [B]Vinny Cerrato[/B] to overpay for free agents like [B]Adam Archuleta[/B], [B]Antwaan Randle El[/B] and [B]Brandon Lloyd[/B], none of which helps the on-field product.
But hey, at least he's trying. Snyder will get it right eventually, if only because he won't settle for anything less -- a quality far too owners possess. And he is pulling in an enormous profit in the meantime, thanks to his innovative marketing strategies. He's also more of a team player on the league level than you might imagine, as evidenced by his willingness to go along with the revenue-sharing plan that ensured labor peace in the spring of '06.

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aren't the redskins the [I]most[/I] valuable franchise at like 1.6 billion?

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Fair assessment, I'm actually surprised to see him that high.

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I agree that it was a fair assessment. That is also why, in light of that assessment, I was initially shocked to see #5 next to his name. I agree that he wants to win and is relentlessly dedicated to that end. But his ego go in his way. He thought because he was an avid FAN that he could run a team. No dice. It took him a decade to realize that he has to turn things over to football people. And we still don't have a GM.

But the criteria were: business savvy, devotion to league growth, aggressive pursuit of winning. That in mind, he deserves the #5.

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Synder definately does some things correct but from what people outside the area tell me, hes kind of viewed like Steinbrenner in NY...just trying to buy a champ every year.

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This was a very good assessment, ranking owners relative to their worth to the entire NFL. Snyder is one of the better owners in the league. He is one of the most controversial owners also. A lot of fans hate him because they think he just wants to buy a championship. Isn't that a novel idea, "An owner that wants to win!" Don't you think the people in Arizona want to see a championship. Don't you think the people in Arizona want an owner that will invest in his team to put the best product on the field. I will take a Dan Snyder over a Bill Bidwell any day.

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[quote=NicknacK89;323885]aren't the redskins the [I]most[/I] valuable franchise at like 1.6 billion?[/quote]


I think we're the most profitable, but the Yanks may be the most valuble.

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The Skins are valued #1 in all of sports

[url=http://espn.go.com/sportsbusiness/s/forbes.html]ESPN.com: SPORTSBUSINESS - Forbes Franchise Values[/url]

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I wonder how much it will cost to buy the Expos...

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Very good assessment. People that bash him typically don't factor in the biz side of thing, or if they do they point out that he gouges fans to pay for overpriced free agents.
I like that it said he'll evenutally get it right. I believe he will, he's too smart & committed not to, plus he's got a hall of famer to learn the business from, somebody that he may actually listen to, rather than the other way around.

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I think you have it backwards. If anything we are the most valuable in terms of worth and assets, but the yankees are probably more profitable in terms of merchandise sales, tickets (remember there are a LOT more baseball games than football ones), etc. I would like to see some numbers on profitability. But we are without a doubt the most valuable sports franchise in all of the world, at least according the latest Forbes magazine numbers.

Redskins - $1.423 bill according to Aug 2006 numbers which i am sure has increased since those numbers came out
[url=http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2568057]ESPN - Forbes: Five NFL franchises worth over $1 billion - NFL[/url]

Manchester U (2007) - $1.453 bill
[url=http://www.forbes.com/lists/2007/34/biz_07soccer_Manchester-United_340001.html]#1 Manchester United - Forbes.com[/url]

New York Yankees (2007) - $1.2 bill [url=http://www.forbes.com/lists/2007/33/07mlb_New-York-Yankees_334613.html]#1 New York Yankees - Forbes.com[/url]

Real Madrid (2007) - $1.036 bill
[url=http://www.forbes.com/lists/2007/34/biz_07soccer_Real-Madrid_340002.html]#2 Real Madrid - Forbes.com[/url]

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[quote=Rajmahal33;323947]I think you have it backwards. If anything we are the most valuable in terms of worth and assets, but the yankees are probably more profitable in terms of merchandise sales, tickets (remember there are a LOT more baseball games than football ones), etc. I would like to see some numbers on profitability. But we are without a doubt the most valuable sports franchise in all of the world, at least according the latest Forbes magazine numbers.

[B] Redskins - $1.423 bill [/B]according to Aug 2006 numbers which i am sure has increased since those numbers came out
[URL="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2568057"]ESPN - Forbes: Five NFL franchises worth over $1 billion - NFL[/URL]
[B]
Manchester U (2007) - $1.453 bill[/B]
[URL="http://www.forbes.com/lists/2007/34/biz_07soccer_Manchester-United_340001.html"]#1 Manchester United - Forbes.com[/URL]

New York Yankees (2007) - $1.2 bill [URL="http://www.forbes.com/lists/2007/33/07mlb_New-York-Yankees_334613.html"]#1 New York Yankees - Forbes.com[/URL]

Real Madrid (2007) - $1.036 bill
[URL="http://www.forbes.com/lists/2007/34/biz_07soccer_Real-Madrid_340002.html"]#2 Real Madrid - Forbes.com[/URL][/quote]

Assuming these numbers we are the 2nd most right behind Man U. I think thaty is just the way these numbers are lining up though because the Skins one is from 06.

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Can you imagine where that value would go if we could actually win a few playoff games and *gasp* a championship.

Synder did a good job of taking over a very valuable franchise and making it more valuable, but I don't consider it any stroke of genius. The primary reasons for the Redskins profitability is a large and mostly affluent regional fan base (ticket prices are "affordable" by regional standards), and an enormous and wholly owned stadium in which to pack all those affluent ticket purchasers. Neither of those creations are due to Synder...both came before he bought the team.

Where he has excelled is in the ancillary marketing and sales, e.g., owned media whereby advertizing revenue goes to the team, shrewd local TV distribution contracts, and non-competitive event revenue (beach blitz, etc)...things that all owners could do in theory but don't. Frankly what Snyder has done is pretty simple in terms of revenue extraction, and it doesn't take a genius to market a product on which you have a monopoly.

I'll give credit to Synder the NFL team owner when he wins a ring, until then he's just a good marketer with a confidence problem using his cash to overcome his management shortcomings. Personally, I'd rank him closer to 11 or 12.

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The piece makes it sound like he went after Saunders in spite of Gibbs. Gibbs was the one who wanted Saunders. The dunderheads who cover the league seem oblivious to the fact that all the football decisions in the last three years have been made by Gibbs. But then they couldn't portray Snyder as the control freak and then where would they be? They rely on on those stock portraits of various figures so they don't have to actually find out what goes on. ESPN is exactly the same. This is more attrocious writing from SI. Every time I click on one of their links, it gets worse.

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5 is too high. it's about winning, and no matter how expensive it is, a turd is a turd is a turd. let's win something.

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Synder number 5 BS to me.

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[quote=That Guy;324183]5 is too high. it's about winning, and no matter how expensive it is, a turd is a turd is a turd. let's win something.[/quote]



being a good owner is more then just winning. mr. snyder is getting better at giving control to the people who should have it (gibbs). when snyder first became owner of the skins he was already a better owner then some of the other ones, even though he made some horrible player aquisitions. snyder was just trying to win, you can't blame him for that, he just went about it the wrong way.


he brought gibbs out of retirement and he's letting gibbs run the show, in the meantime he is bringing in any and every player/coach that gibbs wants. how is that being a turd ?

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[LEFT]I agree with the article when it says that eventually Snyder will get it right. he is young and he has a long time left with the skins. There will be more mistakes and failed strategies but eventually we will win another superbowl. I would rather have an owner who is actively trying to win than one who does nothing (a la Abe Pollin and the Wizards) and pisses away talented youth. The window of opportunity of winning in the NFL is short and u need someone who is willing to jump on the opportunity when it arises, which snyder definitely tries to do.
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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;323938]The Skins are valued #1 in all of sports

[url=http://espn.go.com/sportsbusiness/s/forbes.html]ESPN.com: SPORTSBUSINESS - Forbes Franchise Values[/url][/QUOTE]
No that is incorrect, the Skins are not #1 in all of sports/WORLD. Although they are in the top 3 somewhere.
That list just ranks the Redskins as #1 in the United States based sports (NFL, NHL,NBA) but not in the world. Real Madrid and Manchester United and most likely AC Milan are higher valued. Real and Man U's have their own TV deals.
Just with that alone they eclipse the redskins earning power and worth. Real Madrids new TV deal is worth $1.4 Billion over 6 years.

[url]http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117954266.html?categoryid=14&cs=1[/url]


Plus Real's and Man U's merchindise is sold oll over the world, they are the two most popular teams in the WORLD. There are many coutries that have never heard of the Washington Redskins.

Regarding Snyder ranking high, that is great, but I would rather be a consistant winner and win Superbowls than rank high in this catagory. Snyder has been a #1 owner in making money and in bussiness, that is awesome! But he has not been great at what counts most, being a smart NFL owner is it realtes to winning.

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[quote=NicknacK89;323885]aren't the redskins the [I]most[/I] valuable franchise at like 1.6 billion?[/quote]


Yes , Thanks to JKC....the man was smart ,80% of the Skins value is in realestate.Anyone that puts Dan Snyder ahead of the Rooney's is a fool .Take a look at the list Jerry Jones?????

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[quote=12thMan;323937]I think we're the most profitable, but the Yanks may be the most valuble.[/quote]



Bingo we have a winner!

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[quote=That Guy;324183]5 is too high. it's about winning, and no matter how expensive it is, a turd is a turd is a turd. let's win something.[/quote]

You're right...the way Danny whacked Portis' shoulder, took Moss out, whacked the knees of every member of our secondary and LBs and put those weights in Brunell's pads so he couldn't run anymore...what a horrible owner. Injuring our top players doesn't warrant a #5 ranking for an owner.

Let's not forget how Snyder soaked Lloyd's gloves in vegetable oil before every game too.

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I wonder when someone is going to point out the error in the thread title

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Synder? Synder what? Synderblock?

Of course if you are being charitible, you could make the case that Quake already did:

[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;324324]Synder number 5 BS to me.[/quote]

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[QUOTE=GTripp0012;324736]Synder? Synder what? Synderblock?[/QUOTE]

Yes! Also, there's an apostrophe missing but that's not a big deal

Will now correct the title

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[quote=SmootSmack;324737]Yes! Also, there's an apostrophe missing but that's not a big deal

Will now correct the title[/quote]


you are really bored arent you.

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[QUOTE=EARTHQUAKE2689;324752]you are really bored arent you.[/QUOTE]

Wish I had time to be bored

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[quote=SmootSmack;324753]Wish I had time to be bored[/quote]


I am insanely bored right now. But I got a small madden tournament at 5pm

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[quote=SmootSmack;324737]Yes! Also, there's an apostrophe missing but that's not a big deal

Will now correct the title[/quote]


Also, I'm not sure you can ever be "5th" best. There is the best, then there is the rest.

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A good example of why I no longer subscribe to SI.

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[QUOTE=That Guy;324183]5 is too high. it's about winning, and no matter how expensive it is, a turd is a turd is a turd. let's win something.[/QUOTE]

No, it's not.
For US it's about winning, for him it's about profit and team likability. Both are HUGE.
If you can produce a team that earns 1.6 billion and wins 5 games a year you're doing something right.
What would you rather have in your business. A team that wins 13 games and produces 800 mil, or a team that wins 5 games and produces 1.6 Bil?

Of course, if we won 5 games a year forever, there would be fewer fans to spend money...then again, we haven't done squat in a decade and a half and we still have the biggest and best following.

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[quote=Giantone;324478]Bingo we have a winner![/quote]

Actually the both of you are wrong. According to Forbes the Washington Redskins are second and it ain't to the New York Yankees. It's to Manchester United who are valued at $1.453 bil where the Redskins are valued at $1.423 bil and the Yankees are at $1.2 bil.

[url=http://www.forbes.com/lists/]Forbes Lists, World's Richest People, and more - Forbes.com[/url]

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dan synder has shown he wants a winner the thing is we aint winning and the part that gets in the way is he is making a profit out of it ,heck i want to win at all cost..yes we still need a GM.......

do i like the danny a part of me does but the other part outweighs that until he proves to me he wants to win a superbowl with football people running the show and he is getting there..it,s just taking him a little longer than he expected...

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[QUOTE=birdz4gibbs;330501]dan synder has shown he wants a winner the thing is we aint winning and the part that gets in the way is he is making a profit out of it ,heck i want to win at all cost..yes we still need a GM.......

do i like the danny a part of me does but the other part outweighs that until he proves to me he wants to win a superbowl with football people running the show and he is getting there..it,s just taking him a little longer than he expected...[/QUOTE]

I like that he's willing to spend his money to get a winner, but we all know he is raking it in... He is supposedly completely commited to winning. He needs to put the ego away and learn that big splash offseason moves don't win you a LOMBARDI!!!

#5 is too high.He needs a ring or two before he reaches that echelon... Which may not happen until he kicks Vinny to the curb and hires a real GM if gibbs doesn't stick aroudn after he's done coaching. Man - I hope he stays with the Skins in the FO... maybe he'll recognize we need a GM or REAL personnel guy that sees value in the draft.

I also don't like the stunts Snyder has pulled with these expensive tickets and BS seats with obstructed views that he sells. PATHETIC.

Oh yah - how about charging fans for Training Camp a few years ago... What a piece of work he is... The Danny can kiss my Fanny!

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While it may be true that The Danny has deep pockets and really wants to win, he has made some questionable decisions other than not hiring a GM that worry me. When he acquired the film production company of Tom Cruise, who is a certifiable Scientology nut-case, and then acquired a string of failing Six-Flags amusement parks, I really began to think that maybe he is slipping in his ability to make astute business decisions. Mr. Snyder is probably consulting with his attorneys as we speak as he most likely will be on the wrong end of a lawsuit stemming from an attack by several Six-Flags over Georgia employees on a 19-year old that was seriously injured.

[url=http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/metro/stories/2007/07/12/sixflags_0712.html?cxntlid=inform]Two more arrested in Six Flags beating | ajc.com[/url]

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[QUOTE=enel;330521]

#5 is too high.He needs a ring or two before he reaches that echelon... Which may not happen until he kicks Vinny to the curb and hires a real GM if gibbs doesn't stick aroudn after he's done coaching. Man - I hope he stays with the Skins in the FO... maybe he'll recognize we need a GM or REAL personnel guy that sees value in the draft.[/QUOTE]


I 100% disagree. He bought the skins for 800mil, and he has made us worth 1.423 BIL. That's a little less than double what he bought it for. That's a huge increase.
Yes, we are concerned about winning, but as a business, and that is what an owner cares about, he should be ranked higher.
The SKins are ranked as THE best team (financially) in all of America. That's huge.

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[QUOTE=jsarno;330575]I 100% disagree. He bought the skins for 800mil, and he has made us worth 1.423 BIL. That's a little less than double what he bought it for. That's a huge increase.
Yes, we are concerned about winning, but as a business, and that is what an owner cares about, he should be ranked higher.
The SKins are ranked as THE best team (financially) in all of America. That's huge.[/QUOTE]

Well I could go on and on... so we might as well agree to disagree. Snyder may have turned us into the most valuable sports franchise in the US of A, but he has turned us into the laughing stock of the NFL. He has proven time and time again that his EGO is too big for the good of the on-field success of his football team. He can't keep his big non-football knowing a$$ out of the football operations... he's great on the business side, I don't think anybody will argue that... but if you're telling me that only the bottomline determines the success of an NFL owner, then I'd say you must be getting a cut of what he's making... Because as a fan, if this BS keeps on snowballing from him and his cronies, there will be a lot of fans that will tell him to kiss off... For those reasons I hate him....

For this reason I like him - He's got potential, but he hasn't shown any clue about how to turn this ship around and bring back the glory... other than bringing Gibbs back... I'll give him that much.

He needs to stay the hell out of the football operations, except for agreeing no how much to he's willing to spend... And that hasn't worked yet either, because he'll overspend on anybody... We need some sound football knowhow running the Personel.

Furthermore-He's got more money that anybody knows what the hell to do with... I don't think any of us could give to shitz about how much money the skins are worth and how rich our owner is... We want a respectable, stable and most of all successful product on the field.

HTTR

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Its not always about making money. Little Danny number one at that. How about putting a winner on the damn field sometime. Not just twice in 7 years. The first one he had nothing to do with in 1999. That what makes a good owner wins and loses.

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[quote=MonkFan4Life;329909]Actually the both of you are wrong. According to Forbes the Washington Redskins are second and it ain't to the New York Yankees. It's to Manchester United who are valued at $1.453 bil where the Redskins are valued at $1.423 bil and the Yankees are at $1.2 bil.

[URL="http://www.forbes.com/lists/"]Forbes Lists, World's Richest People, and more - Forbes.com[/URL][/quote]

I was answering the question on profit not value there is a difference.