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OK... since Matty is so bored he had to do the Betts v Portis thread for the 83rd time... here is a thread you can put some life to until training camp starts....

Who is the one player that you think just missed being a great one with our team???

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I am going to go with Trent Green on this one. I think he IS and could have been a great Redskin QB.

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David Akers

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uhhhh, Antonio Pierce

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[quote=Redskin Rich;324027]OK... since Matty is so bored he had to do the Betts v Portis thread for the 83rd time... here is a thread you can put some life to until training camp starts....

Who is the one player that you think just missed being a great one with our team???[/quote]
Patrick Ramsey, he was just about to come into his own :cheeky-sm

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I always look back on Green as one that got away. He could have been the face of this franchise for the last decade.

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I think it's Patrick Ramsey. Gibbs should have stuck with him instead of Brunell. I mean Spurrier totally screwed Ramsey over, and I mean he didn't have any receivers to throw to. I just wish Gibbs had given the kid a shot. I mean, c'mon, he pulled the guy in the Bears game before he really got going. You saw it!! So unfair!! So unfair! I tell you what, I'm ending on this, if Ramsey were still here, he'd give JC a run for his money. I mean, answer this one question, is the franchise that much better off since Ramsey left? The answer is clearl "NO"! So then tell me this, and I'm done, why did we get rid of him then? I think had Ramsey still been here, Al Saunders could have helped him become more efficient. But noooooooo, we have to bench him for Mr. Dink and Dunk!!! Unbelievable. I'll you tell you what, I swear this is it, I hope Ramsey lights up in Cleveland this year. I mean, at least he has a good center snapping the ball to him!!

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I forget, what bench is Ramsey riding now?

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[quote=12thMan;324038]I think it's Patrick Ramsey. Gibbs should have stuck with him instead of Brunell. I mean Spurrier totally screwed Ramsey over, and I mean he didn't have any receivers to throw to. I just wish Gibbs had given the kid a shot. I mean, c'mon, he pulled the guy in the Bears game before he really got going. You saw it!! So unfair!! So unfair! I tell you what, I'm ending on this, if Ramsey were still here, he'd give JC a run for his money. I mean, answer this one question, is the franchise that much better off since Ramsey left? The answer is clearl "NO"! So then tell me this, and I'm done, why did we get rid of him of him then? I think had Ramsey still been here, Al Saunders could have helped him become more efficient. But noooooooo, we have to bench him for Mr. Dink and Dunk!!! Unbelievable. I'll you tell you what, I swear this is it, I hope Ramsey lights up in Cleveland this year. I mean, at least he has a good center snapping the ball to him!![/quote]

Iam a Ramsey fan too. But i think hes in Denver

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Mark Brunell. If Washington could've picked him up just eight or nine seasons ago, they'd have had a legitimate starting quarterback...

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[quote=Southpaw;324041]Mark Brunell. If Washington could've picked him up just eight or nine seasons ago, they'd have had a legitimate starting quarterback...[/quote]

South, that's cold.....but true.

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Trent Green has to be our What if.

Other great What if's are:
What if Favre stayed in Atlanta?
What if Minnesota said No to Dallas?

NBA Version
What if Jordan's father wasn't murdered?

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Keenan McCardell. His career has exactly spanned our era of discontent. Also, Paul Krause had about 60 pickles after he left D.C.

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Easy Choices:
Rich Gannon,Trent Green and Stan Humphries.
Keenan McCardell.


Sleeper:
Skip Hicks or Reggie Brooks. Flashes of brilliance but just couldnt do it consistently.

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[QUOTE=drew54;324044]Trent Green has to be our What if.

NBA Version
What if Jordan's father wasn't murdered?[/QUOTE]
What if Portland Drafted MJ? Sam Bowie to Chi-Town!

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I was thinking Keenan as well. Also, I don't know if he would have been "great" per se, but I always wish we had kept Kenard Lang.

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Also, Kelvin Bryant. I think we got him just past his prime

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I think K.B.'s knees were mush when we got him. He was absolutely key to the 87 SB run, even though he did not turn up big in the actual game. If he had been healthy... (that's a whole other thread).

Kenard was one of my favorites. A real bright spot in a gloomy period (2000-2001).

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Edit:
Lets not forget Nemo Broughton!

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Brian Westbrook we just gave up on him too soon.

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[QUOTE=firstdown;324064]Brian Westbrook we just gave up on him too soon.[/QUOTE]

Brian. Michael. Same difference I suppose

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Heith Schuler enough said. He could have been a beast!

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Desmond Howard. Went on to be Super Bowl MVP. Skins just needed to keep him on special teams.

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Have to go with my nickname. Gus had a cannon arm and did pull the team to around .500 with a relatively weak WR corp and an old man in Terry Allen at RB. IF you gave Gus the OL and the WR corp we have now, the 90's would have been nice to us. Next would be Patrick. Sorry, he got screwed and should have been given more time to prove himself. We really could have probably made the playoffs with him at QB in '04. He would have thrown more pics than Brunell, but I guarantee he would have thrown for way more TD's at the same time. Our terrific D would have nullified a lot of his picks. This season with JC at the helm will really tell us if parting with Ramsey was such a great idea. As of right now, not too many folks outside of the Redskin Nation think too highly of him(JC).

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Danny Wuerffel!!!

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Stan Humphries, Trent Green, McCardell, Stephen Davis, Kernard Lang, Frank Wychek. We should of kept Brian Mitchell for a good 3 more years. And, for some reason we seem to draft ok LB's and can't keep them... Sean Barber, Derek Smith, Pierce.

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Frank Wychek (sp)-- former Tennessee Titan TE

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Hey, what about Sam Wyche? He was are third string QB.... but went on to coach in the Super Bowl.

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[quote=GusFrerotte;324071]Have to go with my nickname. Gus had a cannon arm and did pull the team to around .500 with a relatively weak WR corp and an old man in Terry Allen at RB. IF you gave Gus the OL and the WR corp we have now, the 90's would have been nice to us. Next would be Patrick. Sorry, he got screwed and should have been given more time to prove himself. We really could have probably made the playoffs with him at QB in '04. He would have thrown more pics than Brunell, but I guarantee he would have thrown for way more TD's at the same time. Our terrific D would have nullified a lot of his picks. This season with JC at the helm will really tell us if parting with Ramsey was such a great idea. As of right now, not too many folks outside of the Redskin Nation think too highly of him(JC).[/quote]

I liked Gus too... but after he injuried his neck on that TD celebration he lost all credibilty. As far as Ramsey- c'mon! The guy is having trouble keeping his space as a bench warmer. The jets wouldn't of let him go to Denver if he was showing any promise. And, at least JC is mobile and seems to show promise reading the D. 10TD's only 6 INTs

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Wychek is a good call. Norv tried to convert him to fullback and then he failed a steroid test. What a shame. He was Cooley-esque in Tennessee.

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Did I miss it, or has there been no mention of Ryan Clark or LaVar yet?

This thread is depressing and probably could blow way out of proportion.

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Is there anyone left who thinks we should have kept Lavar?

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[QUOTE=70Chip;324085]Is there anyone left who thinks we should have kept Lavar?[/QUOTE]

Well, according to another thread here some would bring him back still

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[QUOTE=GusFrerotte;324071]old man in Terry Allen at RB.[/QUOTE]


An old man who became the first Redskin to rush for three consective 1000 yard seasons.

Side note: Earnest Byner hurt his back with 998 yards on the third season.

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[quote=Skinsfan1967;324100]An old man who became, and still is, the only Redskin to rush for three consective 1000 yard seasons.

Side note: Earnest Byner hurt his back with 998 yards on the third season.[/quote]

Stephen Davis did it too 1999-2001

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;324102]Stephen Davis did it too 1999-2001[/QUOTE]


Correct you are.

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One thing that really made an impression on me during Gibbs first tour of duty was how players we got rid of disappeared off the radar afterwards.

Obviously, from all the names mentioned above it has been very different since.

One name that hasn't been mentioned is Mark Schlereth who, if I'm not mistaken was replaced by some old bum from that Texas franchise that I'd rather not mention by name.

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[QUOTE=davy;324109]One thing that really made an impression on me during Gibbs first tour of duty was how players we got rid of disappeared off the radar afterwards.

Obviously, from all the names mentioned above it has been very different since.

One name that hasn't been mentioned is Mark Schlereth who, if I'm not mistaken was replaced by some old bum from that Texas franchise that I'd rather not mention by name.[/QUOTE]

Well, first and foremost. How are you doing over there? I don't know how close you are to everything that happened this weekend but you ok?

Secondly, a big reason that names don't fall off the radar is that sites like this exist now (whereas they didn't 20 some years ago) to constantly remind everyone of players we let go. Of course, a lot of these guys aren't any better since they left (Ramsey and Arrington to name the two most obvious), and we didn't mention guys like Rod Gardner, Derrius Thompson, Darnerien McCants, Rashad Baumann, Antonio Brown (damn, most of these guys are receivers, aren't they?), and others

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"Well, first and foremost. How are you doing over there? I don't know how close you are to everything that happened this weekend but you ok?"

I'm fine thanks and thank you for asking. I'm a long way from both London and Glasgow. I'm not sure how things have been reported over there but to be honest I didn't know anything had happened until yesterday. I avoid the news as much as I can.

Things are very different nowadays of course regarding teams ability to hold on to players but I can't think of a single player we let go who had any success anywhere back in the good old days.

Can anybody?

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It's Billy Joel Night at The Warpath.

(Smootsmack's talking with Davy...)