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Well if it makes everyone feel better [URL="http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/insider/news/story?id=2926897"]Scouts Inc. [/URL]has the Skins' running back situation ranked as the #3 best in the NFL.

[QUOTE]3. Washington Redskins
If San Diego has the best one-two punch in the NFL, Washington isn't far behind. Starting RB Clinton Portis was limited to eight games last season because of a shoulder injury. That injury really opened the door for backup Ladell Betts. Betts finished the 2006 season with 1,154 yards on 245 carries. Betts, scheduled to be an unrestricted free agent after the 2006 season, re-signed with Washington. His return should make for a very good training camp battle with Portis. Depth-wise, the Redskins are excellent. They also signed former Chiefs and Jets RB Derrick Blaylock, have a scat back in Rock Cartwright. Fullback Mike Sellers is a very good special teams player, blocker and pass catcher. With young QB Jason Campbell at the controls, the Redskins will rely on this deep backfield to carry the offense. [/QUOTE]

That sounds like respect to me.

(thanks AMD)

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No problem, I guess I should have just started a new thread to begin with.

As far as the overall article, I'm suprised they still have KC as high as they do. Johnson looks like he could be a holdout and he has had some many carries over the past two seasons that I would be concerned that he might have an off year. I do like Bennett as a backup, but I don't think he's as good as Betts.
I'd probably move up NO from #6, and I'd move Oakland down the list because I don't think they're better than teams like St Louis or B'more.

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Well I'm in shock, maybe they can even get that right?

I think there is a pole on NFL.com on RB tandems in the East and we are second behind the Cowgirls, JJ and co., now that's a joke. I think yesterday it was like 40%, we were 35%...? something like that, the other two were taking it up the rear...! lol

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didn't we finish up number four in the league last year in rushing? we have earned this respect

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If Rock Cartwright is a scatback, I'm the Princess of England. Other than that it's all good.

The idea that the Cowboys have better RBs than we do is absurd. D'Boyz, 5Rings, you agree with me that such a claim is ridiculous, don't you? SandtrapJack? Anyone?

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Should've been #1. ;)

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Well I guess since it's been established that all the analysts and predictions are full of $#!+, then we must really be like 23rd, or maybe even 33rd.

Seriously though, that sounds about right with the two starters we have and the offensive line.

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Wow we actually got some recognition. I’m in shock.

Personally I don’t mind flying under the Medias radar. It's what we do starting Sep 9th that I really care about.:httr:

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If I can't care where they rank our QBs then I guess I can't care where they rank our RBs. I think we're top tier at RB and middle of the pack at QB with potential to be top 10. But my opinion counts as much as theirs does. Zero. Health and a little luck will determine how our season goes as it does just about every other team.

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Well you know that imbecile Colin Cowherd said this week that Clinton Portis is was of the most dispensible players in the league. I hope he stubs his foot painfully today.

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[quote=djnemo65;326918]Well you know that imbecile Colin Cowherd said this week that Clinton Portis is was of the most dispensible players in the league. I hope he stubs his foot painfully today.[/quote]

Obviously, because we all know that players that rush for 6,453 yards in 4 1/2 seasons are a dime a dozen. Especially, if they are only averaging 4.7 yards a carry and 11 TD's per season. GTFOH! Colin is a worthless douche.

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[QUOTE=angryssg;326919]Obviously, because we all know that players that rush for 6,453 yards in 4 1/2 seasons are a dime a dozen. Especially, if they are only averaging 4.7 yards a carry and 11 TD's per season. GTFOH! Colin is a worthless douche.[/QUOTE]

Did you hear it angry? It was terrible. He mentioned this to Mort who said, well, Portis is great, but if he does go down they got this guy Betts who can really move the sticks as well. It's the right answer - the reason we are getting the respect that we are... but it was not the answer Colin was looking for. You could feel his disappointment.

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[quote=djnemo65;326921]Did you hear it angry? It was terrible. He mentioned this to Mort who said, well, Portis is great, but if he does go down they got this guy Betts who can really move the sticks as well. It's the right answer - the reason we are getting the respect that we are... but it was not the answer Colin was looking for. You could feel his disappointment.[/quote]


No I didnt hear it and from the sound of it I don't want to. How in the hell do these idiots even get air time. I say stupid shit all the time and I don't have a show.

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[quote=angryssg;326927]No I didnt hear it and from the sound of it I don't want to. How in the hell do these idiots even get air time. I say stupid shit all the time and I don't have a show.[/quote]

I avoid Cowherd like the plague. He's a pompous ass.

Glad to see the running game get some respect, but as someone said, we were 4th in league in rushing yards last year despite Portis missing half the year and inconsistent QB play. No question we're at least 3rd best. Fingers crossed that Portis stays healthy.

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[quote=djnemo65;326918]Well you know that imbecile Colin Cowherd said this week that Clinton Portis is was of the most dispensible players in the league. I hope he stubs his foot painfully today.[/quote]

He's got some sort of axe to grind against the Skins. I honestly don't think I've ever heard him say anything remotely positive about them.

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[quote=SmootSmack;326890]Well if it makes everyone feel better [URL="http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/insider/news/story?id=2926897"]Scouts Inc. [/URL]has the Skins' running back situation ranked as the #3 best in the NFL.



That sounds like respect to me.

(thanks AMD)[/quote]


Trying to make up where everyone else has basically crapped on us.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;326944]Trying to make up where everyone else has basically crapped on us.[/quote]

I've said it many times, and I'll said it again, I absolutely love that we're under everyone's radar. This team over the past few seasons plays a lot better when we're disrespected and up against the wall. I hope the dissing continues frankly.

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[quote=GMScud;326949]I've said it many times, and I'll said it again, I absolutely love that we're under everyone's radar. This team over the past few seasons plays a lot better when we're disrespected and up against the wall. I hope the dissing continues frankly.[/quote]

me too. bought another nfl preview magazine, and has us going 5-11. Man Sporting News people are stupid.

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[quote=Mattyk72;326938]He's got some sort of axe to grind against the Skins. I honestly don't think I've ever heard him say anything remotely positive about them.[/quote]
I listened to him for about a week last year after Tony Kornheiser joined the MNF group. Sportstalk 980 played his show for a while. They may still have him on but I certainly don't listen to it. Every day he had some pathetic comment on how the Skins were the worst and how he thought it was soooo funny. CC* can suck it sideways!




* (not crazycanuck)

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;326975]me too. bought another nfl preview magazine, and has us going 5-11. MAn Sporting News people are stupid.[/quote]

All they do is base their opinions on last year. I'd be willing to be that most of their predicted playoff teams are probably repeats from last year.

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Is it just me or does anyone else think that the Patriots set records next year? Sure, they went nuts in FA, but not the kind of nuts WE went in 2000.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;326975]me too. bought another nfl preview magazine, and has us going 5-11. MAn Sporting News people are stupid.[/quote]

That is what everyone was saying about this time last year too.

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[quote=Mattyk72;327030]All they do is base their opinions on last year. I'd be willing to be that most of their predicted playoff teams are probably repeats from last year.[/quote]

both mags i bought have Pats over Cowboys in the SB.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;327044]both mahs i bought have Pats over Cowboys in the SB.[/quote]

Shocker.

I'll never understand why so many in the media are always on the Cowboys jock. They haven't won more than 9 games in a season since 2003, yet every year the experts fall all over themselves trying to kiss their asses.

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;327034]Is it just me or does anyone else think that the Patriots set records next year? Sure, they went nuts in FA, but not the kind of nuts WE went in 2000.[/quote]

Which records are you talking about? That's a pretty vague question. :cheeky-sm

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[quote=djnemo65;326921]Did you hear it angry? It was terrible. He mentioned this to Mort who said, well, Portis is great, but if he does go down they got this guy Betts who can really move the sticks as well. It's the right answer - the reason we are getting the respect that we are... but it was not the answer Colin was looking for. You could feel his disappointment.[/quote]
I think that they take different side just to make it a show as it would be very borning if they agreed on everything.

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[quote=GMScud;326949]I've said it many times, and I'll said it again, I absolutely love that we're under everyone's radar. This team over the past few seasons plays a lot better when we're disrespected and up against the wall. I hope the dissing continues frankly.[/quote]
If it takes the media disrespect to get our players fired up then we have much bigger problems.

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Bodog gives us the third best odds for most rushing yards next year so far:

[URL="http://www.bodog.com/sports-betting/football-team-props.jsp"]NFL Football Team Prop Bets, NFL Team Props at Bodog Sportsbook[/URL]


We are behind Alanta, but that is really attributable to Vick, not just their running backs. And also SD, because of LT - he is just too good and the face of that team

We haven't really had too many russing TD's compared to other big running teams (only 19 last year), for a lot of reasons like, being forced to come from behind, trunovers in the redzone, and not really having a dominating power back.

I could really see our running game tare it up next year. I just hope Portis can stay in good health, I really want to see him return to form

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[quote=Mattyk72;327047]Shocker.

I'll never understand why so many in the media are always on the Cowboys jock. They haven't won more than 9 games in a season since 2003, yet every year the experts fall all over themselves trying to kiss their asses.[/quote]


I dont get it either. To me the Cowboys are the 3rd best team in the division. I dont even see them making the playoffs this year. Tony Romo will slump down to what he really is: an average QB.

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[quote=Mattyk72;327047]Shocker.

I'll never understand why so many in the media are always on the Cowboys jock. They haven't won more than 9 games in a season since 2003, yet every year the experts fall all over themselves trying to kiss their asses.[/quote]

I think it's ratings/sales. The perception, perhaps true, is that the country is filled to the brim with Cowboys fans, so they pander to them. I guess there is also a perception that the Redskins are hated by a lot of people so Cowterd and the others are also pandering to that element. They've made Snyder into what Irsay used to be.

The problem is that there is no depth or insight in any of it. There is really nothing that ESPN can tell me about the Redskins that will be news. I am empowered by sites like this to become my own clearinghouse of knowledge and they have been made obsolete. I think this is another reason they hate Snyder. They know that he knows that they are finished. And he is in the forefront of making that happen. You have fans doing their own highlight films. Who would have thought that was possible? Renaldo Wynn does an interview on a fansite. ESPN is never going to interview a backup DL.

But to your point, there is no reason to believe that the Cowboys will be any better than what they have been the last few years.

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The Redskins have never been sexy enough for the media and in their eyes, we never will be.

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[quote=mlmpetert;327070]Bodog gives us the third best odds for most rushing yards next year so far:

[URL="http://www.bodog.com/sports-betting/football-team-props.jsp"]NFL Football Team Prop Bets, NFL Team Props at Bodog Sportsbook[/URL]


We are behind Alanta, but that is really attributable to Vick, not just their running backs. And also SD, because of LT - he is just too good and the face of that team

We haven't really had too many russing TD's compared to other big running teams (only 19 last year), for a lot of reasons like, being forced to come from behind, trunovers in the redzone, and not really having a dominating power back.

I could really see our running game tare it up next year. I just hope Portis can stay in good health, I really want to see him return to form[/quote]

I hope you are correct, we all want to see CP return to form.

I do think, however, that the success we have in the running game will be directly related to how well Jason Campbell and the passing game performs. Without a doubt, defenses will key on the running game overloading the box to make JC beat them. Hopefully he has progressed as well as all the reports indicate, and he can force defenses to stay honest. If we have a nice balance with the run and pass, this will be a dangerous offense.

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[quote=Lady Brave;327099]The Redskins have never been sexy enough for the media and in their eyes, we never will be.[/quote]
how long have you been a fan? in the late 80's, and early 90's, the skins were the media darlings. coach gibbs could do no wrong, and jack kent cooke was the greatest thing since sliced bread. when you lose, everyone piles on

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[QUOTE=dmek25;327557]how long have you been a fan? in the late 80's, and early 90's, the skins were the media darlings. coach gibbs could do no wrong, and jack kent cooke was the greatest thing since sliced bread. when you lose, everyone piles on[/QUOTE]

Exactly. If you win, you're "sexy." It's that simple, this team has been (on the whole) pretty bad for a long time. Until they start to win again, they won't get much love...and they don't deserve it.

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Well, when the Ravens won the Super Bowl they sure as hell weren't sexy.

And we even had our share of haters in 2005 despite winning 11 games overall.

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There's 32 teams, you can't love them all.

And who wants the Redskins to be "sexy"? Were the Hogs sexy? Are the Dirtbags sexy? I'd rather them be known for hitting the sexy team in the mouth.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;327576]Well, when the Ravens won the Super Bowl they sure as hell weren't sexy.

And we even had our share of haters in 2005 despite winning 11 games overall.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, but the media was all over the feel good story of Dilfer (great guy finally wins, not "good" QB) and the "redemption" of Ray Lewis.

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[quote=dmek25;327557]how long have you been a fan? in the late 80's, and early 90's, the skins were the media darlings. coach gibbs could do no wrong, and jack kent cooke was the greatest thing since sliced bread. when you lose, everyone piles on[/quote]
I've been a fan since 1983. Not that that matters though. I would ask you the same question, because our perceptions of this team are completely different. The term that the Redskins weren't sexy enough for the media actually came from Charles Mann. I happened to agree with him, so I stole it. Sue me. Watch the 1991 America's Game episode. It was funny to watch the announcers back then talk about how boring of a team we were. We were 14-2 and still couldn't get the love we deserved.

Going from the 70's through the early 90's, I disagree that we were ever media darlings. We may have been more visible in the media at certain times, but we have never been put on a pedestal like the cowboys or the steelers. Even when we were on top, I don't believe we ever got the same amount of love as those other teams did.

I don't feel during those years that this organization ever did much to embrace the media either. George Allen didn't like the media and rarely gave interviews. He was also a paranoid son of a gun. Joe Gibbs has always been completely generic in his responses and pretty bland in his delivery. A lot of his players would follow suit. We had very few "characters" during those years. JKC was great though because he was showman at heart. Then Snyder comes in and takes media hatred to a whole new level. The fact that this team has, for the most part, been inconsistent doesn't help our cause either.

I could take it a step further beyond the media. How many big endorsement deals have Redskins players gotten or have been featured in national commercials over the years? I don't remember that many. Theismann and Riggins are the only ones that come to mind.

Anyway, I guess I like to look at the entire history of this team when talking about how we are percieved by others. I see us a team that always has so much potential, but can never quite get to that next level. We have flashes of greatness, but maintaining that greatness has always been a struggle. This team gives us just enough to elevate our expectations, but many times hasn't delivered. That's ok though. I kinda like it that way, it makes the victories all the more sweeter.

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i think i hit a nerve? all i was trying to say was, if we start winning, the media recognition will follow. and i started following the skins in 1970. and it seemed like it was alot more fun then. i think that was because of George Allen, and that rah rah style

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[quote=Lady Brave;327622]I've been a fan since 1983. Not that that matters though. I would ask you the same question, because our perceptions of this team are completely different. The term that the Redskins weren't sexy enough for the media actually came from Charles Mann. I happened to agree with him, so I stole it. Sue me. Watch the 1991 America's Game episode. It was funny to watch the announcers back then talk about how boring of a team we were. We were 14-2 and still couldn't get the love we deserved.[/quote]

Very true, I think the '91 team is by far one of the more underrated Super Bowl Champions. And I remember the Bills getting a lot more hype and press in the days leading up to the Super Bowl. That was definitely a boring team in the media's eyes and as a result I don't think they get the credit they deserve. No other team has trounced their opponents so soundly in the postseason as they did.