Top 5 All-Time Head Coaches?
 

My fascination with George Allen and the recent passing of Bill Walsh have inspired me to think about who the top all-time pro football head coaches are.

Here's my list, in order of ascending greatness.

5. Tom Landry
4. Bill Walsh
3. Paul Brown
2. Vince Lombardi
1. George Allen


Who's in your Top 5?

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[quote=Clutch;335310]My fascination with George Allen and the recent passing of Bill Walsh have inspired me to think about who the top all-time pro football head coaches are.

Here's my list, in order of ascending greatness.

5. Tom Landry
4. Bill Walsh
3. Paul Brown
2. Vince Lombardi
1. George Allen


Who's in your Top 5?[/quote]

Didn't we just have this EXACT post a few weeks ago??????

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You got Allen number 1? No way! I think we could split hairs on the other four all day, but Allen isn't that high. Maybe top 25..maybe...

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[quote=Redskin Rich;335312]Didn't we just have this EXACT post a few weeks ago??????[/quote]
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[B]Belichick...Best of All Time????[/B]
After reading the ESPN article, I wanted to ask a larger question...is Belichick the best of all time????

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Yeah this is a duplicate thread, which I'd like to boycott. But I can't let it go without saying one thing...

You have George Allen ranked ahead of Joe Gibbs? Huh??

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Don Shula didn't make your top 5 huh? He's only the winningest coach of all time.

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Tom Landry #5....please change your Avatar.

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[QUOTE=Manusky91;335319]Tom Landry #5....please change your Avatar.[/QUOTE]

I think the two of you can coexist with the same avatar. Not that its any my business. I just thought this post was hilarious and ridiculous so I had to add my opinion.

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[quote=Schneed10;335316]Yeah this is a duplicate thread, which I'd like to boycott. But I can't let it go without saying one thing...

You have George Allen ranked ahead of Joe Gibbs? Huh??[/quote]
Hey, Schneed we agree on something today. I liked Allen but he does not hit the top 5 all time and to have him and not Gibbs I don't understand.

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1 vince lombardi
2 don shula
3 paul brown
4 joe gibbs
5 bill walsh

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George Allen the head coach (innovator, visionary, defensive genius, special teams architect and motivator [I]par excellence[/I]) is #1 on my list. I think that George Allen the Future Is Now GM picking up older players that started producing results immediately but often physically lost steam towards the end of the season may have prevented George Allen the great coach from reaching the heights he otherwise would have.

Tom Landy was a very good coach and also deserves credit for being a good foil and motivational tool for George Allen, even if he wasn't the coach that George Allen was. Gibbs is quite good, probably 7th or 8th all time on my list.

I'd actually prefer to use a George Allen avatar but I couldn't find one here - shows how little Skins fans appreciate the greatness of George Allen. Apologies for not noticing the previous thread on great coaches, I was too busy being the CEO of my big international company and also spending some extra time in the laboratory working on a cure for cancer.

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Clutch, what's with your recent obsession with George Allen? Are you writing a book or something?

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1. Vince Lombardi
2. Tom Landry
3. Paul Brown
4. Bill Walsh
5. Chuck Noll

Gibbs 1.0 might have snuck into the discussion, but Gibbs 2.0 has been as ordinary as pre-New England Belichik was in Cleveland.

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1.Joe Gibbs
2.Vince Lombardi
3.George Allen
4.Don Schula
5.Bill Walsh

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Best of the pre-modern era:
5. Ray Flaherty
4. Sid Gillman
3. George Halas
2. Paul Brown
1. Vince Lombardi

Modern Era:
5. Chuck Noll
4. Tom Landry
3. Bill Walsh
2. Joe Gibbs
1. Don Shula

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[quote=SmootSmack;335340]Clutch, what's with your recent obsession with George Allen? Are you writing a book or something?[/quote]
Maybe spending bath room time with one of his pictures. LOL

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thats nasty:(

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[quote=SlabHurta;335349]Best of the pre-modern era:
5. Ray Flaherty
4. Sid Gillman
3. George Halas
2. Paul Brown
1. Vince Lombardi

Modern Era:
5. Chuck Noll
4. Tom Landry
3. Bill Walsh
2. Joe Gibbs
1. Don Shula[/quote]


Whoa, you even have an opinion on pre-modern era coaches, nice work. How old are you?

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[quote=Manusky91;335319]Tom Landry #5....please change your Avatar.[/quote]
hahaha, good stuff.

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Actually I just turned 20. I'm sure clutch won't compliment on my list. No George Allen in either one.

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1. Bill Belichick
2. Vince Lombardi
3. Bill Walsh
4. Paul Brown
5. Don Shula

Belichick has revolutionized franchise leadership -- in both coaching and personnel management -- in the salary cap era. Unlike the other coaches on this list (and Gibbs, etc.), he can't benefit from a payroll gap between rich and poor franchises.

The current system was designed to create parity, but Belichick has gamed it via value-based player evaluation, a focus on position flexibility, and phenomenal game planning. He's the best coach in NFL history, bar none.

Of course, as we all remember, Belichick also turned the Giants' defense into a powerhouse, winning two Super Bowls as a coordinator during the '80s. . . . A lot has been said about his lack of success in Cleveland. I disagree with that assessment. Belichick inherited a 3-13, then led them to consecutive seasons of 6-10, 7-9, 7-9, and 10-6 (plus a playoff victory over Parcells' Patriots). This steady improvement only abated in his final season, which Art Modell wrecked by his pre-season decision to move to Baltimore, throwing the season (and fan base) into the sewer.

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what about Steve Spurrier?????

I would have to put Don Shula in the top 5 he is the winningest coach of all time. Lombardi, the dang superbowl trophy is named after him. but you can make a case for many others. here is a name that has not been mentioned I dont think (maybe because he coached the BOYS) Jimmy Johnson. He won some superbowls took a one win team and made them a beast there in the 90's. Maybe not top 5 but possibly top 10. he is defenetely a great eye for talent, he just never got his quarterback in Miami, then no coach has really. If you look at his time in Miami though he did take them to the playoffs and they have pretty much been crap in that division since he left.

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The Worst Five:

1. Les Steckel
2. Marty Morningwheg
3. Ray Handley
4. Bill Calahan
5. Dave Campo

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I'd have to add Bud Grant to any top-5 coaches list. He went to 4-5 Super Bowls, a dozen or more conference championships, and spent more time in the play-offs than anyone else I can think of - all in an NFL career that lasted less than 20 years!! Then, to show his heart, he came back a few years later to cover for a fired coach. :soapbox: He was a stud!

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[QUOTE=70Chip;335529]The Worst Five:

1. Les Steckel
2. Marty Morningwheg
3. Ray Handley
4. Bill Calahan
5. Dave Campo[/QUOTE]

What about Rich Kotite? And especially Rick Venturi, he was something like 3-50 combined in college and the pros as a head coach

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[quote=SmootSmack;335647]What about Rich Kotite? And especially Rick Venturi, he was something like 3-50 combined in college and the pros as a head coach[/quote]
dude, you are reading my mind. the first name that came into my head when i saw this list was Rich Kotite

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1. Noll
2. Walsh
3. Gibbs
4. Shula
5. Landry

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joe gibbs.no way.with the worst D last year IN THE NFL 31ST This guy drafts no linemen of any kind.thanks NASCAR JOE.TOP 5 NO WAY SORRY.

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[QUOTE=jayfrank12;335664]joe gibbs.no way.with the worst D last year IN THE NFL 31ST This guy drafts no linemen of any kind.thanks NASCAR JOE.TOP 5 NO WAY SORRY.[/QUOTE]

Gibbs won 3 Superbowls, has a 162-93-0 career record, and he's in the Hall of Fame. Who cares if he had a bad season last year. Would he need to win the Superbowl every year to be worthy in your eyes?

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joe gibbs may only be doing it for the money.The draft was just awful.The D line the worst ever.This is the guy you call smart.Yes the first years of his carrer his first pick was joe jacoby.Sorry redskin fans but 5-11 would be good this year.This team is old and the draft offers no lineman.Draft all the backs you want without the line its a waste of time.(COACHING 101)Hey joe you need some help.oR YOU DONT CARE.This is not you.Its the truth every word i WRITE. you dont go from the super bowl to the worst in the NFL.Hey joe get in your car and go back to the track.YEAR 4 NO LINEMAN DRAFTED WAKE UP FANS

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[quote=jayfrank12;335675]joe gibbs may only be doing it for the money.The draft was just awful.The D line the worst ever.This is the guy you call smart.Yes the first years of his carrer his first pick was joe jacoby.Sorry redskin fans but 5-11 would be good this year.This team is old and the draft offers no lineman.Draft all the backs you want without the line its a waste of time.(COACHING 101)Hey joe you need some help.oR YOU DONT CARE.This is not you.Its the truth every word i WRITE. you dont go from the super bowl to the worst in the NFL.Hey joe get in your car and go back to the track.YEAR 4 NO LINEMAN DRAFTED WAKE UP FANS[/quote]

JayFrank? Is Frank your last name or your boyfriend's name?

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[quote=Manusky91;335679]JayFrank? Is Frank your last name or your boyfriend's name?[/quote]

Don't encourage him. Although it's rare to see a troll on this site, they do ooze out from the cracks every once in a while.

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My list in no particular order include Lombardi, Shula, Gibbs, Walsh, and Landry

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[QUOTE=724Skinsfan;335689]Don't encourage him. Although it's rare to see a troll on this site, they do ooze out from the cracks every once in a while.[/QUOTE]

I agree. Ignore him.

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[QUOTE=Manusky91;335679]JayFrank? Is Frank your last name or your boyfriend's name?[/QUOTE]

LOL.
However, is he THAT wrong? I think he went about it a little too harsh, but he certainly makes valid points.

Back to the point. I'm not sure Gibbs makes my top 5 after the poor showing he has had the past few years (or as someone said, Gibbs 2.0).

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Lombardi
Walsh
Gibbs
Landry
Noll
Shula
Halas
Belichick
Brown
Madden(Great Video Games)

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[quote=Football Man;335513]Belichick has revolutionized franchise leadership -- in both coaching and personnel management -- in the salary cap era. Unlike the other coaches on this list (and Gibbs, etc.), he can't benefit from a payroll gap between rich and poor franchises.

The current system was designed to create parity, but Belichick has gamed it via value-based player evaluation, a focus on position flexibility, and phenomenal game planning. He's the best coach in NFL history, bar none.

Of course, as we all remember, Belichick also turned the Giants' defense into a powerhouse, winning two Super Bowls as a coordinator during the '80s. . . . A lot has been said about his lack of success in Cleveland. I disagree with that assessment. Belichick inherited a 3-13, then led them to consecutive seasons of 6-10, 7-9, 7-9, and 10-6 (plus a playoff victory over Parcells' Patriots). This steady improvement only abated in his final season, which Art Modell wrecked by his pre-season decision to move to Baltimore, throwing the season (and fan base) into the sewer.[/quote]

Are you related to Bill B., or do you just have a FatHead of him in your living room. :laughing-

That being said, I believe Belichick is in the top 10 discussion, not "Best of All-Time", or even top 5. Here's why not:

1) With a 21-6 lead over Indy last year shortly before half of the AFC Championship game NE couldn't close the deal....not a great statement for "game planning" and in-game adjustments

2) He was the Def Coordinator for the Giants, but a guy named Parcells had a lot more to do with those championship teams than Belichick. I don't think two Hall of Fame LBs hurt either (LT & Harry Carson). One who many argue is the greatest game changing defensive player of all-time (LT).

3) Cleveland did happen. Going from 3-13 to 6-10, 7-9, 7-9, 10-6 are "solid-coach" numbers, not "greatest coach of all-time" numbers.

4) The AFC East has not exactly been a powerhouse division the last few years, hence at least 4-5 easy wins per year and an easy route to the playoffs. When Gibbs (since you threw a little dart there) was winning Super Bowls, the Skins were coming out of the NFC East in the 80's and 90-91. During that time the NFC East was the toughest division in football. There was also the 49ers to contend with who were pretty darn good too.

Here's my top five from the last thread on this:

1) Lombardi - 96-34 / 9-1 Playoffs / 7 championships in 11 years.
2) Halas - 318-148-32 / 6-4 Playoffs / 6 championships
3) Shula - 328-156-6 / 3 championships
4) Gibbs - 146-86 / 17-6 Playoffs / 3 championships (with 3 different QBs). 1982 - 1991 9 of 10 seasons with 10 or more wins. (1982 strike season 8-1). If Gibbs can win 1 or 2 more rings before retiring (without any more 5-11 seasons) he will vault to # 2.
5) Landry - 250-162 / 20-16 Playoffs / 2 Championships. 1968 - 1983 13 of 15 seasons with 10 or more wins.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;335755]
4) Gibbs - 146-86 / 17-6 Playoffs / 3 championships (with 3 different QBs). 1982 - 1991 9 of 10 seasons with 10 or more wins. (1982 strike season 8-1). If Gibbs can win 1 or 2 more rings before retiring (without any more 5-11 seasons) he will vault to # 2.
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I agree with your assesment of Gibbs however you are slightly off in your stats...Gibbs also went 7-9 in 1988, the year after he won his second Super Bowl...

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Top 5 in my book:

1. Vince Lombardi
2. Joe Gibbs
3. Bill Walsh
4. George Halas
5. Don Shula

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If any of you people discredit Joe Gibbs because of only two bad season's of work since he's been back, you're either a complete idiot or too young to remember how unbelievably outstanding he was in the first go round. The man won three Super Bowl's with three different starting QB's for crying out loud!!! I have to give Lombardi the nod as tops of all-time though, he helped revolutionize football into mainstream America and he also sported the burgandy and gold briefly!

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[quote=jayfrank12;335664]joe gibbs.no way.with the worst D last year IN THE NFL 31ST This guy drafts no linemen of any kind.thanks NASCAR JOE.TOP 5 NO WAY SORRY.[/quote]

What are you, about 18 years old. Stop with the NASCAR Joe stuff (even though both of his drivers are top five in the points). In Joe Gibbs' heydey he could coach circles around some of these bums coaching today. I'll still take him today over any coach in the league (yes, even that hoody in New England with the questionable tatics)!