Observations/Predictions from Camp
 

Fellow brothers of the warpath, as the “self proclaimed” guru of this forum I give you my in-site and observations from my one visit to training camp this year.

The Good
1. Cooley looks unstoppable. He has trimmed down a bit to about 250 lbs, but the biggest improvement seems to be his understanding of the offence and his route running ability. Most importantly he is catching the ball really well.

2. Brandon Lloyd is in incredible shape. I hate to say this but at first glance he almost looks like a mini TO. I’m expecting big things. The only problem is that the guy in front of him on the depth chart, Randle El looks great too. This of course is a GOOD problem for the skins.

3. JC looks to have quickened his release and has really improved the accuracy of his throws. Their has been a lot of media reports on this so I won’t go into further detail.

The Bad
1. Todd Wade is not a guard. This is not going to work guys. I consistently saw dlinemen get under his pads and drive him back. He just doesn’t have the leverage to play guard. My prediction is that he will not be starting at left guard by week 1. If he does it’s because of a lack of an adequate replacement. This is by far by biggest concern on the offensive side of the ball.

2. Don’t believe the Rocky McIntosh hype. This guy looks average at best. He missed a tackle against Todd Heap in the Scrimmage and clearly can’t cover Cooley. I really hope I’m wrong on this but I don’t see the qualities required of an elite LB in the NFL.

3. Buzzbee will not make the team. Every year coaches hope to find a hidden gem. Well let me give it too you straight, this guy doesn’t have it.

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I hope JC has quickened his delivery and improved his throwing motion because I just dont have confidence in his delivery style.

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All I know is Brunell's handle bars and Yoder's Civil war chops ALL started my man Cooley is the best thing outta camp... :)

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I hope the Todd Wade stuff isn't true.

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[quote=skins009;338036]Fellow brothers of the warpath, as the “self proclaimed” guru of this forum I give you my in-site and observations from my one visit to training camp this year.

The Good
1. Cooley looks unstoppable. He has trimmed down a bit to about 250 lbs, but the biggest improvement seems to be his understanding of the offence and his route running ability. Most importantly he is catching the ball really well.

2. Brandon Lloyd is in incredible shape. I hate to say this but at first glance he almost looks like a mini TO. I’m expecting big things. The only problem is that the guy in front of him on the depth chart, Randle El looks great too. This of course is a GOOD problem for the skins.

3. JC looks to have quickened his release and has really improved the accuracy of his throws. Their has been a lot of media reports on this so I won’t go into further detail.

The Bad
1. Todd Wade is not a guard. This is not going to work guys. I consistently saw dlinemen get under his pads and drive him back. He just doesn’t have the leverage to play guard. My prediction is that he will not be starting at left guard by week 1. If he does it’s because of a lack of an adequate replacement. This is by far by biggest concern on the offensive side of the ball.

2. Don’t believe the Rocky McIntosh hype. This guy looks average at best. He missed a tackle against Todd Heap in the Scrimmage and clearly can’t cover Cooley. I really hope I’m wrong on this but I don’t see the qualities required of an elite LB in the NFL.

3. Buzzbee will not make the team. Every year coaches hope to find a hidden gem. Well let me give it too you straight, this guy doesn’t have it.[/quote]

Your right on about Wade and Rocky. I trust Buges but I gotta question him on this. I know he believes you put your 5 best guys out there. But I think they are putting way to much into Wade's one start at RT last year. I mean the guy was an average to below average player who could barely cut it at RT and now we want to put him at LG where he has never played in his life? I hope this works but I have a bad feeling about it.

As far as Rocky goes I was hoping for him and Marshall to compete for the position. But it looks like the staff has given the job to Rocky. He had a couple of bad plays against Heap. But like JC, he is a young guy and we are going to have to live with his mistakes. He has a lot of upside and he is probably more of a playmaker than Marshall. And that is what we need on the front 7. Some playmakers who can cause some turnovers.

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I really wish I could watch the preseason game so i could judge. I watched the scrimmage and yes at times Rocky looked bad, (he wiffed on T. Heap) but Heap is a really good TE. I do believe Rocky has the athletic ability, he just needs to hone his skills, but without getting to watch to much I could not make a fair assesment.

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I'm hoping that Stephon Heyer (sp?) will beat out Todd Wade at guard. At least then we'll have some youth on the line to build around, when the time comes for the others to be replaced.

Also, how many games has Rocky started? I looked but I can't find it. It can't be more than just a few. Can somebody confirm this? I'm not too concerned about Rocky right now, because of his lack of experience. I have a feeling he'll come around, once he gets comfortable. He's got the athletic ability. He just needs to get his head right. Hopefully, Fletcher can help him there. Also, he's got some good guys playing around him, and that should help.

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[quote=bridaman51;338050]I really wish I could watch the preseason game so i could judge. I watched the scrimmage and yes at times Rocky looked bad, (he wiffed on T. Heap) but Heap is a really good TE. I do believe Rocky has the athletic ability, he just needs to hone his skills, but without getting to watch to much I could not make a fair assesment.[/quote]
I watched the scrimage last night and I do not see how anyone could take but so much from them. They stop rushing the QB when they get close, they do not tackle after the catch (I saw 5 or six playes that after the catch the WR would have been stopped for just a couple yards but they ran it out making it look like a big play) without the rush QB's had extra time to throw. I also noticed that the lines on both sides played kind of soft to avoid people from fallen over against another player and avoiding leg injuries. The only thing that seemed to go full speed were running plays and rout running by the WR's but again the cover guys seemed to avoid hitting. I guess my point is that in the scrimage it was very obvious that they wanted to avoid contact whenever a player could so to judge anyone from a scrimage is just not fair. The only thing you could really judge would be the rout running by WR's and their timing with the QB.

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[quote=irish;338038]I hope JC has quickened his delivery and improved his throwing motion because I just dont have confidence in his delivery style.[/quote]

:doh:

Why not? Do you REALLY have a good reason to poopoo his delivery?

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;338059]:doh:

Why not? Do you REALLY have a good reason to poopoo his delivery?[/quote]

Let's not even get into it.

We've had enough retarded conversations around here lately.

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[quote=firstdown;338057]I watched the scrimage last night and I do not see how anyone could take but so much from them. They stop rushing the QB when they get close, they do not tackle after the catch (I saw 5 or six playes that after the catch the WR would have been stopped for just a couple yards but they ran it out making it look like a big play) without the rush QB's had extra time to throw. I also noticed that the lines on both sides played kind of soft to avoid people from fallen over against another player and avoiding leg injuries. The only thing that seemed to go full speed were running plays and rout running by the WR's but again the cover guys seemed to avoid hitting. I guess my point is that in the scrimage it was very obvious that they wanted to avoid contact whenever a player could so to judge anyone from a scrimage is just not fair. The only thing you could really judge would be the rout running by WR's and their timing with the QB.[/quote]

You're right, First. There's not much you can take away from these at all. They don't even tackle the QB, they have to touch him. It's almost like flag football.

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[quote=skins009;338036]Fellow brothers of the warpath, as the “self proclaimed” guru of this forum I give you my in-site and observations from my one visit to training camp this year.

The Good
1. Cooley looks unstoppable. He has trimmed down a bit to about 250 lbs, but the biggest improvement seems to be his understanding of the offence and his route running ability. Most importantly he is catching the ball really well.

2. Brandon Lloyd is in incredible shape. I hate to say this but at first glance he almost looks like a mini TO. I’m expecting big things. The only problem is that the guy in front of him on the depth chart, Randle El looks great too. This of course is a GOOD problem for the skins.

3. JC looks to have quickened his release and has really improved the accuracy of his throws. Their has been a lot of media reports on this so I won’t go into further detail.

The Bad
1. Todd Wade is not a guard. This is not going to work guys. I consistently saw dlinemen get under his pads and drive him back. He just doesn’t have the leverage to play guard. My prediction is that he will not be starting at left guard by week 1. If he does it’s because of a lack of an adequate replacement. This is by far by biggest concern on the offensive side of the ball.

2. Don’t believe the Rocky McIntosh hype. This guy looks average at best. He missed a tackle against Todd Heap in the Scrimmage and clearly can’t cover Cooley. I really hope I’m wrong on this but I don’t see the qualities required of an elite LB in the NFL.

3. Buzzbee will not make the team. Every year coaches hope to find a hidden gem. Well let me give it too you straight, this guy doesn’t have it.[/quote]

I'm so glad you have such a handle on things after going to one practice.

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thanks for the info, but way too early to tell if some of these things will play out

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[quote=dmek25;338086]thanks for the info, but way too early to tell if some of these things will play out[/quote]

Exactly.

Skins009, you open by saying Cooley is unstoppable... but then you ding McIntosh for not being able to cover him. Doesn't make much sense.

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Good analysis Skins009, but I must ask: How long have you been an offensive line coach?

Anything less than 10 years and I'm afraid I'll have to stick with buges analysis over yours...

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[QUOTE=TheMalcolmConnection;338059]:doh:

Why not? Do you REALLY have a good reason to poopoo his delivery?[/QUOTE]

I think his delivery is too long in developing as he cocks his arm back. Not quite the buggy whip of Kerry Collins but close.

I'd like to see him tighten his delivery for a quicker release of the ball.

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[quote=irish;338144]I'd like to see him tighten his delivery for a quicker release of the ball.[/quote]

He already has from all accounts.

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NO LB can cover Cooley one on one......

My prediction is Cooley leads the team in receptions and TD's.

Campbell's safety blanket so to speak!

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[quote=Mattyk72;338147]He already has from all accounts.[/quote]

Oh, what I saw in last week's scrimmage vs Balt didnt look too tight. I have not seen it compared to last year but IMO it still looks pretty long.

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[quote=irish;338152]Oh, what I saw in last week's scrimmage vs Balt didnt look too tight. I have not seen it compared to last year but IMO it still looks pretty long.[/quote]

It looked improved to me, regardless I never saw it has a major issue to start with. There are guys in the league that have much more awkward deliveries than he does.

The key for him is knowledge of the offense and getting the ball out quicker, and throwing before his receivers make their breaks.

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This was from a recent ESPN Insider

• The Redskins have worked long and hard on making QB Jason Campbell's delivery more compact, and the results appear obvious early in camp. Campbell is making determined throws and is doing so with a far shorter throwing motion. Also saving time is Campbell's improved knowledge of the offense, which has been clear throughout the summer.

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;338158]This was from a recent ESPN Insider

• The Redskins have worked long and hard on making QB Jason Campbell's delivery more compact, and the results appear obvious early in camp. Campbell is making determined throws and is doing so with a far shorter throwing motion. Also saving time is Campbell's improved knowledge of the offense, which has been clear throughout the summer.[/QUOTE]

Good. I'm glad to see he's being coached in the right direction.

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I think you people are being slightly tough on the guy. He's giving observations on what he saw. He's not the first person to mention the Todd Wade problems. When they announced that Wade was probably our starter, the first thing former D lineman, Tim Ryan said was that he wouldn't last long. Said the DT would get under him and push him back all day. So it wouldn't surprise me at all if he doesn't make it to week 1.

This guy isn't saying that all of these things will be consistent throughout the season, just what he saw from a practice. While not as nice and well written as what Joe Crisp used to send us when he was allowed to go, but the same thing.

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[quote=irish;338152]Oh, what I saw in last week's scrimmage vs Balt didnt look too tight. I have not seen it compared to last year but IMO it still looks pretty long.[/quote]

Long compared to who? I think it was either Jaws or Mort who broke it down and said that on throwing motion, he was about average compared to the rest of the QBs in the league. He wasn't Peyton Manning, but he wasn't Byron Leftwich either.

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[quote=Daseal;338166]I think you people are being slightly tough on the guy. He's giving observations on what he saw. He's not the first person to mention the Todd Wade problems. When they announced that Wade was probably our starter, the first thing former D lineman, Tim Ryan said was that he wouldn't last long. Said the DT would get under him and push him back all day. [B]So it wouldn't surprise me at all if he doesn't make it to week 1.[/B]

This guy isn't saying that all of these things will be consistent throughout the season, just what he saw from a practice. While not as nice and well written as what Joe Crisp used to send us when he was allowed to go, but the same thing.[/quote]

Then who do we get? :(

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[QUOTE=skins009;338036]....2. Don’t believe the Rocky McIntosh hype. This guy looks average at best. He missed a tackle against Todd Heap in the Scrimmage and clearly can’t cover Cooley. I really hope I’m wrong on this but I don’t see the qualities required of an elite LB in the NFL....[/QUOTE]

I agree with this statement. The hype was based on potential and athletic ability, NOT based on actual play on the field. The ironic part is Lemar Marshall has been playing better; I wonder how much longer Marshall will be a backup behind Rocky?
I was one of the people on a thread this summer that questioned the bad decision of the Redskins coaches of awarding the starting WLB postion to Rocky with out a training camp and preseason competition. It does not send a good message to the players that a position is not earned by level of play, but instead in this case based on potential, draft position, salary and cross our fingers and hope it works.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;338101]Exactly.

Skins009, you open by saying Cooley is unstoppable... but then you ding McIntosh for not being able to cover him. Doesn't make much sense.[/QUOTE]

Perhaps my choice of the word "unstoppable" was not a good one. I didn't mean literally unstoppable. I was trying to imply that he was playing great in scrimmage. This could be a result of his own personal ability OR weakness from the defense. I believe primarily it’s the former, but the defense needs to improve its coverage on TE as well.

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I love the critic I’m getting from everyone. Part of making a post like this one is putting your neck out on the line with predictions. I’ve made my observations. Perhaps Matty we can revisit this post in say November and see how many of my predictions are indeed correct. I again summarize my predictions below.

1. Todd Wade at guard will be unsuccessful.
2. Rocky McIntosh will be average at best
3. Buzzbee will not have record 1 sack.

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[quote=skins009;338187]I love the critic I’m getting from everyone. Part of making a post like this one is putting your neck out on the line with predictions. I’ve made my observations. Perhaps Matty we can revisit this post in say November and see how many of my predictions are indeed correct. I again summarize my predictions below.

1. Todd Wade at guard will be unsuccessful.
2. Rocky McIntosh will be average at best
3. Buzzbee will not have record 1 sack.[/quote]

Sticking your neck out also involves receiving some friendly fire. :)

We'll glady revisit this one.

I'll already scratch off #3, I'm not expecting anything from him either and I'll be surprised to see him on the active roster.

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I think you're probably right with your number one and three predictions, but I think Rocky will be better than that.

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[quote=skins009;338187]

1. Todd Wade at guard will be unsuccessful.
2. Rocky McIntosh will be average at best
3. Buzzbee will not have record 1 sack.[/quote]

I will bet you one "You're wrong" post that you are wrong on all three. But honestly, saying buzzbee won't record a sack is like saying Jason Adderly won't have one TD. Neither one will make the roster.

I will stick my neck out and say both Wade and Rocky will play, and will play well.

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Thanks for the insight. No coverage of course in Detroit on Skins camp. It is great Lloyd looks in shape. Previous threaders made it seem like he might have a 'tude problem this year. If he is back to 49er form, JC will put up some nice numbers this season and the playoffs will be a reality. Always never really bought into the Rocky hype like some folks did in the Wash Post Skins message board. If he was so good he would have been a starter from the get go and especially with Pierce splitting. He might end up being the Taylor Jacobs of the defense.

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"If he is back to 49er form, JC will put up some nice numbers this season and the playoffs will be a reality."

If the playoffs rely on JC doing well, which in turn relies on Brandon Lloyd being in shape, then i quit.

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lloyd in such great shape we cant get his overpaid A-- on the field.

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If he was trying to earn a roster spot i bet his A-- would be out there. Doesnt have too since he a 10 mil. signing bonus.