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[url=http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/football/nfl/specials/preview/2007/08/10/bc.fbn.chiefs.browns.ap/index.html]SI.com - 2007 NFL Preview - Browns to let fate determine starting QB - Friday August 10, 2007 12:36PM[/url]

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I'm pretty sure Spurrier tried that at least 3 times while he was here.

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[QUOTE=ArtMonkDrillz;338633]I'm pretty sure Spurrier tried that at least 3 times while he was here.[/QUOTE]

I think he did it during games.

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Haha. Spurrier was over there before every possession flipping coins seeing who was going to go out there and get sacked.

Anyway, does it really matter who wins the toss? It is pre-season, both will get equal playing time to see who starts the season. Then who ever does the win the job, is just warming it up for Brady. So really, Romeo is saying 'I don't care who warms the seat up for Quinn'.

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[quote=Makers3245;338706]Anyway, does it really matter who wins the toss? It is pre-season, both will get equal playing time to see who starts the season. Then who ever does the win the job, is just warming it up for Brady. So really, Romeo is saying 'I don't care who warms the seat up for Quinn'.[/quote]

I'd like to think that if my job was on the line, I would have the balls to make my own decisions and sink or swim with them.

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what kind of coach, at any level, would say this? then next season, he will wondering why he is out of work

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Quinn will get it. You're not going to win with Frye, so might as well get the Quinn era started.

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WOW. That is basically giving your job away. Either genius or insanity I guess. I'm at a loss..... This IS the Nationial Football League, right?

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Quinn needs 2 start.

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Quinn wont start. Frye will start, he's the better of the 2 eligible for starting, but Quinn will be thrust in if they dont win at least 3 of their first 5. Bank on that.

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Quinn is [I]probably[/I] their best QB right now, rookie struggles to be expected and all, but in the long it really doesn't matter who they put in. 3rd year Anderson, 3rd year Frye, and rookie Quinn are all barely above replacement level.

I have Cleveland winning 8 games this year, but certainly not behind their offense.

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[quote=JGisLordOfTheRings;338791]Quinn wont start. Frye will start, he's the better of the 2 eligible for starting, but Quinn will be thrust in if they dont win at least 3 of their first 5. Bank on that.[/quote]I'd agree with this assessment. It doesn't really matter who starts, that team is going to be better in the second half than the first.

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[quote=GTripp0012;338793]Quinn is [I]probably[/I] their best QB right now, rookie struggles to be expected and all, but in the long it really doesn't matter who they put in. 3rd year Anderson, 3rd year Frye, and rookie Quinn are all barely above replacement level.

[B]I have Cleveland winning 8 games this year, but certainly not behind their offense[/B].[/quote]

8? Wow. Have they really improved that much on D? Last year all they effectively did on that side of the ball was look like us last year; awful. Maybe I'm underrating them. Then again, I dont think the Lions will win 8 games next year. They MIGHT put up a lot of points and make some FF owners happy, but they wont win games. Their lines on both sides of the ball are atrocious at best.

Overall, starting Quinn wouldnt be a bad idea. I think they agree that he IS their future so, might as well get him in there now. But you could make an argument for sitting him as well. All depends.

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[quote=JGisLordOfTheRings;338797]8? Wow. Have they really improved that much on D? Last year all they effectively did on that side of the ball was look like us last year; awful. Maybe I'm underrating them. Then again, I dont think the Lions will win 8 games next year. They MIGHT put up a lot of points and make some FF owners happy, but they wont win games. Their lines on both sides of the ball are atrocious at best.

Overall, starting Quinn wouldnt be a bad idea. I think they agree that he IS their future so, might as well get him in there now. But you could make an argument for sitting him as well. All depends.[/quote]They do have some offensive talent. Not in the offensive backfield, but enough to be competant.

I do think pretty highly of their defense this year. Leigh Bodden is a great corner. Kamerion Wimbley and D'Qwell Jackson quietly had great rookie years. I think they will take the next step.

But the main reason I say 8 and not 7 or 6 is because of a soft out-of-division schedule. NFC West for starters, and a 4th place divisional schedule, giving them Houston, Oakland, and Miami. They will win more games than those 3 teams.

I see playoffs for them next season (2008), when Quinn begins to look like the Carson Palmer of 2004.

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[quote=GTripp0012;338811]They do have some offensive talent. Not in the offensive backfield, but enough to be competant.

[I]I do think pretty highly of their defense this year. Leigh Bodden is a great corner. Kamerion Wimbley and D'Qwell Jackson quietly had great rookie years. I think they will take the next step.[/I]

[B]But the main reason I say 8 and not 7 or 6 is because of a soft out-of-division schedule. NFC West for starters, and a 4th place divisional schedule, giving them Houston, Oakland, and Miami. They will win more games than those 3 teams.[/B]

I see playoffs for them next season.[/quote]

1) I like the Browns, and secrectly, I root for them because they are ALWAYS heavy underdogs ( [I]a la' Redskins[/I] ) so, I feel for them. Now, I may root for them, but I dont keep track of their players as much as I do 'Skins players. I know that when Kellen Winslow is healthy he is a BIG factor as is that WR they have whose name I cant remember because I'm a little drunk. Other than those two, I know nada so, I'll kind of have to take your word for it there.

2) Duh! I make am opinion about a team quicker than I should have. Didnt even check out their schedule for this year. Oak, Mia, and Hou are all quite winnable games for the Browns, barring a breakdown. I like Houston the best out of the 3 for some f-ed up reason. They are my sleeper pick to have a decent year. I believe the Texans could win 7-8 games next year, but that is sheerly based on my liking of Matt Schaub and my thinking that their D wont suck forever if they keep pumping 1st round picks into it.

Playoffs possible for Browns. We will have to see! :-)

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[quote=JGisLordOfTheRings;338815]2) Duh! I make am opinion about a team quicker than I should have. Didnt even check out their schedule for this year. Oak, Mia, and Hou are all quite winnable games for the Browns, barring a breakdown. I like Houston the best out of the 3 for some f-ed up reason. They are my sleeper pick to have a decent year. I believe the Texans could win 7-8 games next year, but that is sheerly based on my liking of Matt Schaub and my thinking that their D wont suck forever if they keep pumping 1st round picks into it.[/quote]Houston is going to be very good very soon. They have picked up some great defensive linemen over the past two seasons. Schaub is going to be very good probably as soon as this year. Ahman Green is not the answer at RB, but that is a big upgrade over last year. They don't have enough pieces in the secondary to make that defensive jump just yet, but I have them down for 7 wins, and that jump will happen, sooner rather than later.

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[quote=GTripp0012;338817]Houston is going to be very good very soon. They have picked up some great defensive linemen over the past two seasons. Schaub is going to be very good probably as soon as this year. Ahman Green is not the answer at RB, but that is a big upgrade over last year. They don't have enough pieces in the secondary to make that defensive jump just yet, but I have them down for 7 wins, and that jump will happen, sooner rather than later.[/quote]

I agree wholly. Ahman Green is DEF not their answer at RB but, like you said, he is a SIGNIFICANT upgrade at RB. Now, if they could get some good O-Linemen they might ACTUALLY be able to run the ball. LOL.

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[QUOTE=JGisLordOfTheRings;338815]1)

Playoffs possible for Browns. We will have to see! :-)[/QUOTE]

Um, that is a bit of a drastic statement I predict the Browns will go 4-12 / 5-11. And I have a feeling the Texans will be fairly decent this year.

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[quote=Cowell;338820]Um, that is a bit of a drastic statement I predict the Browns will go 4-12 / 5-11. [B]And I have a feeling the Texans will be fairly decent this year[/B].[/quote]

Hmmmm...Maybe I'm not the ONLY person who thinks the Texans cant SUCK forever.

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[quote=GTripp0012;338811]They do have some offensive talent. Not in the offensive backfield, but enough to be competant.

I do think pretty highly of their defense this year. Leigh Bodden is a great corner. Kamerion Wimbley and D'Qwell Jackson quietly had great rookie years. I think they will take the next step.

But the main reason I say 8 and not 7 or 6 is because of a soft out-of-division schedule. NFC West for starters, and a 4th place divisional schedule, giving them Houston, Oakland, and Miami. They will win more games than those 3 teams.

I see playoffs for them next season (2008), when Quinn begins to look like the Carson Palmer of 2004.[/quote]
Don't forget SS Sean Jones on that D of theirs, I think he is going to become one of the elite safeties in the league in a few years, but anyways I think Brady Quinn is going to be absolutely horrible in the NFL, and I think the Browns have a better chance at winning with Frye and Anderson starting over Quinn.

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[quote=RMSkins;338890]Don't forget SS Sean Jones on that D of theirs, I think he is going to become one of the elite safeties in the league in a few years, but anyways I think Brady Quinn is going to be absolutely horrible in the NFL, and I think the Browns have a better chance at winning with Frye and Anderson starting over Quinn.[/quote]Maybe as a rookie, but the evidence suggests that come the 2008 season, Quinn will leave the other two in the dust.

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[QUOTE=GTripp0012;338817]Houston is going to be very good very soon. They have picked up some great defensive linemen over the past two seasons. Schaub is going to be very good probably as soon as this year. Ahman Green is not the answer at RB, but that is a big upgrade over last year. They don't have enough pieces in the secondary to make that defensive jump just yet, but I have them down for 7 wins, and that jump will happen, sooner rather than later.[/QUOTE]

What the hell happened to Dominack Davis? He was a stud there for a little while, then fell of the planet.

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[QUOTE=jsarno;338913]What the hell happened to Dominack Davis? He was a stud there for a little while, then fell of the planet.[/QUOTE]

When I went to look up his stats, I couldn't find him...football reference has him down as Dominack Williams...when did he change his name?
[url=http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/DaviDo01.htm]Domanick Williams statistics - pro-football-reference.com[/url]

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[quote=jsarno;338913]What the hell happened to Dominack Davis? He was a stud there for a little while, then fell of the planet.[/quote]See? GM material!

Honestly, I really don't know. Dominick Davis was the perfectly average NFL back for the longest time. Then he became Dominick Williams and apparently lost the ability to be famous.

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[QUOTE=GTripp0012;338915]See? GM material!

Honestly, I really don't know. Dominick Davis was the perfectly average NFL back for the longest time. Then he became Dominick Williams and apparently lost the ability to be famous.[/QUOTE]

Well, i thought he was above average for being on a team with a horrible line. His rookie year he had 8 tds, and 1382 all purpose yards. 04 he had 14 tds, 1776 all purpose yards. (he also ranked tied for 4th in rushing tds and tied for 5th in yards from scrimmage in 04 which is huge for a guy on a talentless team). Injuries hurt his 05 season, but he did have 6 tds and 1313 all purpose yards in only 11 games. (that means he would have averaged out to 1420 rushing yards that year if he stayed healthy)
To me, his numbers reflected an above average guy, in fact a top 10 rb talent. I am assuming he had an injury he couldn't recover from, but that's just a guess.

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[QUOTE=GTripp0012;338915]See? GM material!

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You find us a job in the NFL, and I'm there man!

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[quote=jsarno;338913]What the hell happened to Dominack Davis? He was a stud there for a little while, then fell of the planet.[/quote]
he got injured. i think he tore up his knee

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[quote=GTripp0012;338899]Maybe as a rookie, but the evidence suggests that come the 2008 season, Quinn will leave the other two in the dust.[/quote]
I really don't understand all the Brady Quinn hype, from what I heard he looked horrible in OTA workouts, and I think there is a reason he dropped so far in the draft I just don't think there were many GM's that saw franchise QB potential in him. But only time will tell. My guess is he is just going to be a mediocre QB at best.

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Thats why Romeo Crennel will be seeking work next year! I would think Quinn would be the guy when its all said and done, but who knows or even cares for that matter.

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[QUOTE=RMSkins;339052]I really don't understand all the Brady Quinn hype, from what I heard he looked horrible in OTA workouts, and I think there is a reason he dropped so far in the draft I just don't think there were many GM's that saw franchise QB potential in him. But only time will tell. My guess is he is just going to be a mediocre QB at best.[/QUOTE]


Look at his college stats for 1, look at his size for 2, how many QB's went ahead of him in the draft (1) is 3, and the fact that he was still picked in the FIRST round, and the fact that someone traded up to get him is 4.
Just because he "fell" from what the "experts" though means nothing.
Don't be fooled, Quinn has all the tools.

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[quote=RMSkins;339052]I really don't understand all the Brady Quinn hype, from what I heard he looked horrible in OTA workouts, and I think there is a reason he dropped so far in the draft I just don't think there were many GM's that saw franchise QB potential in him. But only time will tell. My guess is he is just going to be a mediocre QB at best.[/quote]Sure he started 45 games at ND, but I mean if you look bad in OTA's its time to hang it up!

Your position does seem to be majority opinion, although most have come to your conclusion for different reasons.

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[quote=JGisLordOfTheRings;338736]WOW. That is basically giving your job away. Either genius or [B]insanity [/B]I guess. I'm at a loss..... This IS the Nationial Football League, right?[/quote]


Oh it is insanity

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[QUOTE=EARTHQUAKE2689;339063]Oh it is insanity[/QUOTE]


And quake knows insane! :D

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I am going insane right now.

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[QUOTE=EARTHQUAKE2689;339072]I am going insane right now.[/QUOTE]

LOL, why is that?

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I want to see some Skins football.

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Lucky me dinner is almost ready and by the time I'm done eating I get to watch the Skins.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;339077]I want to see some Skins football.[/quote]

30 more minutes quake, put the gun down! Its almost kickoff time! YIIIPPPPPEEE......

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[QUOTE=skinsfan_nn;339112]30 more minutes quake, put the gun down! Its almost kickoff time! YIIIPPPPPEEE......[/QUOTE]

So how did we look?

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[quote=GTripp0012;339061]Sure he started 45 games at ND, but I mean if you look bad in OTA's its time to hang it up!

Your position does seem to be majority opinion, although most have come to your conclusion for different reasons.[/quote]
Well sure it was OTA's I'll give you that, but what exactly did he do at ND? From what I remember he choked in all of his big games, and not to mention he didn't reach any of the three goals he set for himself. On the flip side I would love to hear your reasoning on why you think he is going to be a good QB? Like I said only time will tell with him, and he will get his chance, but I just don't see it.