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For those who didn't have access to the game.

Overall the team looked good on both sides of the ball. Special teams played really well too. Both Frost and Suisham did good jobs.

Up until Cambell left the game with the knee injury, I thought he was sharp. My heart was in my mouth when Campbell hit the turf.

Five players that really impressed me:

[B]Rocky McIntosh: [/B]Kid was flying to the ball all night. Mostly in the backfield. He looks like a totally different guy from last year. You can really tell the lights are coming on for this guy.

[B]Jason Cambell:[/B] Thought he played well. Was very poised and most of his passes on the money. He didn't play long, but he looked good overall.

[B]LaRon Landry: [/B]Seems like they played him in the box quite a bit tonight. He forced a few run plays inside for losses and was in on some tackles. He moves to the ball with full force. The kid's a beast.

[B]Todd Collins:[/B] I was pleasantly suprised to see him step in and step up. I think Brunell could be number 3 on the depth chart before it's over.

[B]Gregg Williams: [/B]I know it's early, but it seems like he has these guys having fun again, and you can tell they buy into the system. I sense a good year on the defensive side.

[B]Other notables: [/B]Mike Pucillo held his own and looked comfortable. He nearly played the entire game. First half at guard, second half at center. Like I said, he looked comfortable out there.

Sean Taylor isn't trying to be a hero. I noticed he was barking signals, tuggin guys on the jersey and putting them in position. I saw #30 on more plays than #21. That's a good thing.

Chris Cooley was Chris Cooley. He looks like he's ready for the Dolphins.

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The offensive line looked a lot better.

Campbell looked good. Two sustained drives of 10+ plays.

Collins knows his reads and played well. I don't think he could make the finals of punt, pass, and kick though. Very soft arm.

Running game was poor again, but it is the Steelers.

Our bottom tier recievers, Berman et al, are horrible. No wonder they're bringing in people off the street.

Defense looked good again. The LBers shined tonight.

If I were to make a criticism of the defense it would be that there was poor tackling at times.

Special teams was solid, although Mike Espy is no Mike Nelms.

Someone needs to tell Theesman that it's Dallas SaRTZ. The Dallas Stars are a hockey tem, I think.

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Yeah, the guys weren't wrapping up tonight. Even London Fletcher had a guy run through him.

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Much improved difference with the OL. I feel a lot better about them, and hopefully when Samuels is back for game one, we won't even have any concerns for the offensive line.

Glad that Campbell wasn't seriously hurt. I was holding my breathe when I saw him down holding his knee! It's funny, last week we won and I was uneasy about our team. This week, we lose but I am feeling much better about them.

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Gibbs said Espy is done for the year. Ruptured achilles, maybe. But he's done.

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Thanks, 12th.

Just watched the live presser on skins.com. Gibbs seem down (as you'd expect), but said that everyone thinks Campbell is just bruised--no word on how long. Said Marcus had xrays--no bone chips, etc--again it looks like a bruise. But he said he thinks Espy is done for the year. Very tough for the kid.

Said D ahead of O--very disappointed about run blocking. Singled out Landry and Rocky as playing well.

Then Campbell himself addressed the media--he limped in, said it was scary but everyone says it's a bruise, very glad it wasn't ACL or MCL, felt like they were in a good rhythm on the drive he was hurt on.

Scary!

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[quote=JWsleep;341210]Thanks, 12th.

Just watched the live presser on skins.com. Gibbs seem down (as you'd expect), but said that everyone thinks Campbell is just bruised--no word on how long. Said Marcus had xrays--no bone chips, etc--again it looks like a bruise. But he said he thinks Espy is done for the year. Very tough for the kid.

Said D ahead of O--very disappointed about run blocking. Singled out Landry and Rocky as playing well.

Then Campbell himself addressed the media--he limped in, said it was scary but everyone says it's a bruise, very glad it wasn't ACL or MCL, felt like they were in a good rhythm on the drive he was hurt on.

Scary![/quote]

Just saw a Campbell interview. I think they'll hold him out next week. Maybe they'll let Collins and Brunell duke it out!!

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[quote=skinsguy;341200]Much improved difference with the OL. I feel a lot better about them, and hopefully when Samuels is back for game one, we won't even have any concerns for the offensive line.

Glad that Campbell wasn't seriously hurt. I was holding my breathe when I saw him down holding his knee![B] It's funny, last week we won and I was uneasy about our team. This week, we lose but I am feeling much better about them.[/B][/quote]


Lol yea I feel same thing

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You know I hate to say it but make Collins #2. and make Brunell and Palmer duke it out.lol.

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[quote=SBXVII;341233]You know I hate to say it but make Collins #2. and make Brunell and Palmer duke it out.lol.[/quote]


You know, you're right....I just wanted to give Brunell the benefit of the doubt. I think at the least, Palmer needs to be on the practice squad.

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They're saying a couple of weeks for Marcus Washington...that's unofficial though.

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Everyone seems to think Campbell's injury is not serious -- just a bruise -- but they haven't done an MRI yet, right? The way he went down with his knee in going in a direction it's not supposed to go, I thought our season was over before it started.

If comes out of this with no serious injury, then Campbell is truly He-Man.

Let's see Todd Collins get some more time with the starters.

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[quote=12thMan;341208]Gibbs said Espy is done for the year. Ruptured achilles, maybe. But he's done.[/quote]


This really sucks for him. He didnt look like he did last preseason thus far, but I was really pulling for him. Apperently he was one of the hardest workers on the team (From Ray Brown, not Gibbs).

I hope he'll be able to make it back next year.

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MW is the one the watch but ultimately I am pretty comfortable with our depth at LB. MW is a playmeker but we're not playing a scrub if he is out.

I am concerned about the JC injury in that it will take prep time away from him. I highly doubt it is of any seriousness from an actual physical standpoint.

The Mason kid actually looks like he could play RB in this league. He isn't a stud but he seems to have good vision and he is always going forward. Plus he can catch the ball. The kind of player Denver could proably get 1000 yards out of I bet.

Our special teams made very happy. Lots of great efforts. Of course most were by guys who know they have to make the team on STs.

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[QUOTE=Beemnseven;341250]Everyone seems to think Campbell's injury is not serious -- just a bruise -- but they haven't done an MRI yet, right? The way he went down with his knee in going in a direction it's not supposed to go, I thought our season was over before it started.

If comes out of this with no serious injury, then Campbell is truly He-Man.

Let's see Todd Collins get some more time with the starters.[/QUOTE]

It looked bad and I still think it was a cheap shot, but I don't believe there is any reason to call for the sky to drop.

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Mason looks OK, but Cartwright isn't going anywhere. There won't be any room for a fourth tailback -- just ask TJ Duckett.

Then there's Blaylock (#48) who can return kicks too. We're absolutely stocked at running back. It's practice squad time for Mason, I'm sure.

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A separate thread is needed for MW. Anyone here had a dislocated elbow, and lived to tell about it? Can it be popped back in?

Can he play with that kind of pain?


JC's injury looked bad, with a defender falling into the side of his knee. Then, after several minutes down, holding it, writhing in pain, and taking his helmet off, JC got up, and walked off!! Major props to take the punishment and still get up!

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[quote=backrow;341279]A separate thread is needed for MW. Anyone here had a dislocated elbow, and lived to tell about it? Can it be popped back in?

Can he play with that kind of pain?


JC's injury looked bad, with a defender falling into the side of his knee. Then, after several minutes down, holding it, writhing in pain, and taking his helmet off, JC got up, and walked off!! Major props to take the punishment and still get up![/quote]

They will need to address it surgically at some point, but he can probably play the season without too much pain (until it happens again). The connective tissue gets stretched.

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[QUOTE=Beemnseven;341275]Mason looks OK, but Cartwright isn't going anywhere. There won't be any room for a fourth tailback -- just ask TJ Duckett.

Then there's Blaylock (#48) who can return kicks too. We're absolutely stocked at running back. It's practice squad time for Mason, I'm sure.[/QUOTE]

I think it's good we have that much depth! I think it's also good that Portis isn't going to see the field until possibly the Miami game. The only thing I am concerned with is his conditioning.

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[QUOTE=Beemnseven;341275]Mason looks OK, but Cartwright isn't going anywhere. There won't be any room for a fourth tailback -- just ask TJ Duckett.

Then there's Blaylock (#48) who can return kicks too. We're absolutely stocked at running back. It's practice squad time for Mason, I'm sure.[/QUOTE]
Absolutely agree.

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[quote=backrow;341279]A separate thread is needed for MW. Anyone here had a dislocated elbow, and lived to tell about it? Can it be popped back in?

Can he play with that kind of pain?


JC's injury looked bad, with a defender falling into the side of his knee. Then, after several minutes down, holding it, writhing in pain, and taking his helmet off, JC got up, and walked off!! Major props to take the punishment and still get up![/quote]

Well, they were asking Ray Brown about it during the post game, and he said it's the type of injury he'll play with. The x-rays were negative from what I heard. No bone chips or fractures, so he'll rehab and hopefully be ready for Miami.

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Yeah, Portis and Tomlinson have apparently taken the preseason off.

Though Portis is actually nicked up -- somehow I've been able to my faith in the fact that he'll be able to step right in and not miss a beat for the Dolphins.

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[quote=Beemnseven;341290]Yeah, Portis and Tomlinson have apparently taken the preseason off.

Though Portis is actually nicked up -- somehow I've been able to my faith in the fact that he'll be able to step right in and not miss a beat for the Dolphins.[/quote]

I bet Portis kicks all kinds of ass against the Dolphins.

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I think CP will work back in. Conditioning and keeping him healthy need to be a concern. RBs should be able to pop right in though without much chemistry being involved.

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Td..brandon Lloyd!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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I don't think we should take too much stock in those two presason games as far as the running game and our O-line is concerned. We have been primarily playing Blaylock and Mason at running back. These are our 3rd and 4th option on the depth chart. Our 0-line is starting two guys who need more time playing in the NFL, and would probably be back-ups on another team. That being said, that is still no excuse to get our franchise qb killed! Our wide receiver depth looks God aweful, these guys can't even run down field without tripping over themselves. Measage to AL S.: Your offense needs to catch up to the defense. I thought you were some kind of genius or something.

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The starting offense looked good last night. They drove the ball down pittsburghs throat, I mean heck Todd Collins threw a TD pass to Brandon Lloyd. Our starting offense looked decent, need some improved line play, picking up blitzes and run blocking. The players you saw stumbling and not catching were guys who are going to be cut. The starters played well against a tough defense year after year.

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Agreed. I'm not too worried about depth at wideout. You have to figure our top three are good, then you throw Cooley in the mix...a bit of Yoder and Sellers in the red zone; we'll be fine.

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Look at the first quarter when most of the starters played we had 2 11 play drives, one leading to a touchdown, for a total of 101 yards. we ended the half with 113 total yards. Most of our yards came in that first half against the pittsburgh starters. The offense did improve from last week and make big strides, now lets look for consistancy. However maybe our depth on offense is not as deep as people thought since we only gained 226 total yards on offense 113 in the first half and 49 on that last drive.

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[quote=SBXVII;341233]You know I hate to say it but make Collins #2. and make Brunell and Palmer duke it out.lol.[/quote]

I agree, but the only negative about Collins is that he is not mobile at all. I remember on 3rd down he tried to run, and I was thinking if that was Brunell running, it would have been a first.

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The TV broadcast of the game on WUSA 9 was one of the worst I have ever seen.

Theisman and Patrick were terrible; they didn't know the names of players, they consistently reported the wrong down (which was made worse by the fact that the down/yardage were only occasionally shown on-screen), and they gave inconsistent updates about injuries. Brett Haber's discussion of Jason Campbell's injury was confused as well.

Get Bram Weinstein on TV! The guy does some of the best Redskins reporting around.

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[quote=MonkManiac;341356]The TV broadcast of the game on WUSA 9 was one of the worst I have ever seen.

Theisman and Patrick were terrible; they didn't know the names of players, they consistently reported the wrong down (which was made worse by the fact that the down/yardage were only occasionally shown on-screen), and they gave inconsistent updates about injuries. Brett Haber's discussion of Jason Campbell's injury was confused as well.

Get Bram Weinstein on TV! The guy does some of the best Redskins reporting around.[/quote]


You're so right. I don't remember seeing the down/yrds shown on screen. It was so frustrating. Then Theisman ripped the player that hit Jason Campbell as if he did it on purpose. I mean it's not flag football.

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I agree that things definitely are looking better are defense and the O-Line did better this week, as well.

Not much discussion of Cooley yet on this thread.

I though he look like the Cooley of two season ago, again.

Maybe getting engaged will be good for him. Keep him in at night studying film.

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And we have to remember that this was against a pretty serious D--and Pitt was stunting in midseason form, apparently.

Playing these good Ds now will help us down the road, even if it means we at times look worse than we are. (Note: don't freak out too much if the Ravens hold our O down--they're good.)

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[quote=hooskins;341354]I agree, but the only negative about Collins is that he is not mobile at all. I remember on 3rd down he tried to run, and I was thinking if that was Brunell running, it would have been a first.[/quote]

Also, he has a really weak arm. I think defenses would very quickly have a solution for a QB that doesn't throw past ten yards. It's good to throw to the backs and tight ends, but at some point you have to be able to deliver the 18 yard out before the CB jumps it. We would be very limited with him in the game.

Of course, Brunell has his own drawbacks. He holds the ball too much and he melts under pressure. But, his arm looked pretty strong last night. He plays better at the end of games when he HAS to throw the ball. Before that point he plays too cautiously.

It's a tossup. Bottom line is that without Campbell we won't have much offense. He needs to play. I would let Brunell backup based on the salary cut he took. I really don't see Collins as an improvement anyway.

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I just got a chance to watch the game on the replay on NFL Network. Some quick observations:

1. Campbell was looking FANTASTIC before the hit.
2. Starting O Line showed some good improvements over week 1.
3. The D has yet to yield a TD in 8 qtrs (VERY IMPRESSIVE).
4. Redzone defense is stoudt!

Overall I thought the first team started to show a little promise and executed well on the first two drives. Has anyone else noticed the "lack" of penalties in these first two games against the O and the D? I think they have really focused on not killing themselves with stupid penalties.

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[quote=jbcjr14;341432]I just got a chance to watch the game on the replay on NFL Network. Some quick observations:

1. Campbell was looking FANTASTIC before the hit.
2. Starting O Line showed some good improvements over week 1.
3. The D has yet to yield a TD in 8 qtrs (VERY IMPRESSIVE).
4. Redzone defense is stoudt!

Overall I thought the first team started to show a little promise and executed well on the first two drives. Has anyone else noticed the "lack" of penalties in these first two games against the O and the D? I think they have really focused on not killing themselves with stupid penalties.[/quote]


Good point on the lack of penalties. Looks like the coaches have these guys focused mentally.

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Even if Campbell got hurt, and say he is out for the first few weeks of the regular season, or worse. Todd Collins has looked the best out of all our quarterbacks so far.

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Everyone wants to bash Brunell because they want to bash him regardless of his play, but he looked good to be on Saturday. He was 5-12 but his incompletions were drops by WRs who won't be on the team and his INT was a bobble by a WR on a pass that was right between the numbers. He threw longer passes accurately and with a LOT more zip than Collins (who was good at managing the game by playing conservatively). In fact, Brunell had the longest completion of the 6 QBs from both teams that saw the field, 36 yards.

Campbell Yards per Completion = 12.5
Brunell Yards per Completion = 11.2
Collins Yards per Completion = 7.4

Who can't throw deep?



Collins' TD pass wasn't because he made a great throw, it was because he had ALL day and the secondary couldn't cover Lloyd that long. Seriously, he stood there forever until he threw to Lloyd. Campbell is the QB who got the ball in scoring range on that drive anyways.

I'm not taking anything away from Collins' accuracy (even though it looks like he's tossing passes to his kid in the backyard), but he's playing Brunell's "game" with the short passes and you don't seem to hate him for it like you do Brunell. Plus, Brunell looked good. On the last drive, he brought us into FG range for the gamewinner in 1 minute, he showed leadership and poise. We would've won if not for the offensive pass interference and then the WR who let the pass bounce off him into the defense's hands.

If Campbell does go down, I want Brunell in. He's more experienced and while he can't last a whole year, he'll be the better of our backups.

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[quote=MonkManiac;341356]The TV broadcast of the game on WUSA 9 was one of the worst I have ever seen.

Theisman and Patrick were terrible; they didn't know the names of players, they consistently reported the wrong down (which was made worse by the fact that the down/yardage were only occasionally shown on-screen), and they gave inconsistent updates about injuries. Brett Haber's discussion of Jason Campbell's injury was confused as well.

Get Bram Weinstein on TV! The guy does some of the best Redskins reporting around.[/quote]


Patrick called Campbell Doug Williams once too and no one caught it (on the broadcast).