Front Office - Why isn't Cooley extended?
 

Is anyone else worried about the fact that Chris Cooley hasn't been extended yet?

I'm sorry, but seeing our weakened position at LG, and seeing the impact that Cooley is having in pre-season already, makes me wonder why we haven't extended Cooley yet. I mention LG because I think had we extended Dock before last season we would have been in a much better position than we currently find ourselves in.

We did a great job extending Betts and Sellers. I wonder if Cooley's agent simply isn't negotiating because he is expecting a big season from Cools?

What do you guys think?

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I think that the FO will do the right thing and make sure that Cooley is on this team for a long time...

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I am worried if he hits the open market. Prices just keep going up and I worry we won't be able to pay him if he doesn't sign during the season or earlier.

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I think we can pretty much bet on Cooley getting an extension. Ditto Taylor.

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I don't think Taylor is a pending FA.

I'm freaked out about Cooley. I think his number is just going to go up every game a bit more -

Are they really going to break the bank to keep him by the end of the season?

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[quote=Drift Reality;341871]I don't think Taylor is a pending FA.

I'm freaked out about Cooley. I think his number is just going to go up every game a bit more -

Are they really going to break the bank to keep him by the end of the season?[/quote]


If they have to, I could see them giving him a ton of cash.

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I think the deal will get done. I just would like them to hurry the hell up. The longer they wait....the more he's gonna cost.

He's gonna kick MAJOR ASS this season, Saturday was just a sample.

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Well, we waited til the end of the season for Betts, might as well wait for Cooley too.
Who knows, maybe Cooley has been offered a contract but would rather test the FA market?
Why do you instantly assume it's the FO?

ps- He IS still under contract, so waiting as long as possible is a good thing, as long as Cooley doesn't get pissed over it.

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if we get past the season and he's not signed before free agency I will be mad. We've seen it happen so many times in the past, Antonio Pierce, Fred Smoot, Ryan Clark (well, I think the only reason we didn't resign him was because we wanted Archuleta all along), and lately Derrick Dockery. I do not want to see Cooley or Taylor hit the open market, mainly because both would def. be hot commodities, and there's no way we could compete with some teams out there that have plenty of cap space.

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[QUOTE=Drift Reality;341871]I don't think Taylor is a pending FA.

I'm freaked out about Cooley. [B]I think his number is just going to go up every game a bit more[/B] -

Are they really going to break the bank to keep him by the end of the season?[/QUOTE]

The guy is a stud. Get it done and do it soon. He is young, capable, and one of few that you can bank on...go ahead...break the bank!

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I think it just might happen during the season at some point, but what's the rush? He's not going anywhere right now.

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Typically, when a player is in his last year of a deal, there will be grumblings of "Let's see if I'm wanted here - it's in their hands." This is to spur talks where none exist.

We've heard nothing from Cooley about an unwillingness to negotiate, so I would presume that negotiations are either ongoing or soon-to-be.

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We were saying what's the rush with Dockery last year but as the year went on there was no news with him and we all know how that turned out. I just want to see him locked up before his price keeps going up. It'll be a lot easier to sign him right now rather than wait after the season, because if he has an awesome season he'll want more money at the end.

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I am not assuming FA - I'm just throwing the question out there.

Do you really think it is wise to wait, even if he is under contract? It just seems like the longer we will wait, the more he is going to cost.

[QUOTE=jsarno;341878]Well, we waited til the end of the season for Betts, might as well wait for Cooley too.
Who knows, maybe Cooley has been offered a contract but would rather test the FA market?
Why do you instantly assume it's the FO?

ps- He IS still under contract, so waiting as long as possible is a good thing, as long as Cooley doesn't get pissed over it.[/QUOTE]

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Cooley has said that both sides were talking but he was leaving it up to his agent to work everything out. Perhaps it's Cooley's side that wants to wait... especially after seeing how insane the market was this year. Let's not be so quick to decide that it's the front office to blame, there are two parties to every negotiation.

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[QUOTE=mooby;341896]We were saying what's the rush with Dockery last year but as the year went on there was no news with him and we all know how that turned out. I just want to see him locked up before his price keeps going up. It'll be a lot easier to sign him right now rather than wait after the season, because if he has an awesome season he'll want more money at the end.[/QUOTE]

I agree - the Dockery situation is what freaks me out. Dock had a great season last year and although we might have wrapped him up before the season we waited. I really think Cooley is going to blow up this season - call it a hunch. And if he goes for like 70 catches / 800 yards / 8 TDs or something like that, I just have a feeling he is going to be able to get some big money out there.

Shockey signed a 5 year 26 million dollar deal a couple of years ago I believe. I got to think if Cooley has a year like I mentioned, his agent will be looking for something around what Shockey got - maybe even more. Will the Skins pay that kind of money for a Tight End?

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They better if they paid 31 mil. for Archuleta's mediocre ass. As for Cooley if he wants to test free agency I will be extremely disappointed. There's a lot of teams out there with a lot more cap space than us and all it could take is one of them to offer a crazy insane contract to Cooley and he could be gone. Dockery got 49 mil from a team that is known for being one of the cheapest teams in the league. Everybody in free agency that has a reputation for being a solid player is getting big money.

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Cooley would have the most worthless agent in the world if they went ahead and signed a contract extension. Cooley and his agent will take note of how smart Dockery's agent was and wait for his market value to peak. It's not all about when the Redskins front office decides to extend a player's contract.

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Cooley will get paid, don't worry.

Right now just isn't a great time, the front office needs to save some room for an emergency or if a surprise name hits the wire.

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There are two players who would make me sick to see them in another team's colors: Cooley and Taylor.

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;341920]There are two players who would make me sick to see them in another team's colors: Cooley and Taylor.[/quote]

With the way the league is today it's probably going to happen to both at some point.

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Hopefully not until both are in their mid 30's and are on the decline though.

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I'm not worried. Cooley will be resigned no matter what the price is. It always looks like we don't have any money to spend against the cap and Snyder always works contracts and we go shopping. :)

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[quote=mooby;341896]We were saying what's the rush with Dockery last year but as the year went on there was no news with him and we all know how that turned out. I just want to see him locked up before his price keeps going up. It'll be a lot easier to sign him right now rather than wait after the season, because if he has an awesome season he'll want more money at the end.[/quote]
So you assume that his agent does not know this and maybe they told Cooley to wait!

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I'm not saying anything other than what I already posted lol. Maybe his agent is telling Cooley to wait, but then again Cooley himself told the press that he's not even dealing with it, he's letting his agent handle it. Maybe Cooley really does want to go out and get a shitload of money in free agency, idk, or maybe Cooley likes being a Redskin and wants to stay here, even though he knows he can get big money elsewhere.

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[quote=Drift Reality;341861]Is anyone else worried about the fact that Chris Cooley hasn't been extended yet?

I'm sorry, but seeing our weakened position at LG, and seeing the impact that Cooley is having in pre-season already, makes me wonder why we haven't extended Cooley yet. I mention LG because I think had we extended Dock before last season we would have been in a much better position than we currently find ourselves in.

We did a great job extending Betts and Sellers. I wonder if Cooley's agent simply isn't negotiating because he is expecting a big season from Cools?

What do you guys think?[/quote]

I don't know the ins and outs of the Cooley thing, and maybe you other guys are right and it isn't the FO, but I think you are right on target with the Dockery point. JLC and the Post reported that the Skins had ridiculous offers in to Dock and pretty much insulted the guy. No one on here would have advocated signing Dock to the $49 mil that the Bills gave him (though some of us might now after watching how poorly the Skins have done at filling that position), but had they made a legit offer to Dock before or during the season we could still have him in a Skins uni.

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to me, its strictly up to Cooley, and where he wants to play. the money is probably going to be close to the same everywhere. right around 5 years, 25 million. maybe around a 8-10 million dollar bonus. hopefully he wants to stay

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[quote=Drift Reality;341861]Is anyone else worried about the fact that Chris Cooley hasn't been extended yet?

I'm sorry, but seeing our weakened position at LG, and seeing the impact that Cooley is having in pre-season already, makes me wonder why we haven't extended Cooley yet. I mention LG because I think had we extended Dock before last season we would have been in a much better position than we currently find ourselves in.

We did a great job extending Betts and Sellers. I wonder if Cooley's agent simply isn't negotiating because he is expecting a big season from Cools?

What do you guys think?[/quote]

I think if it came to the very end and nothing gets done The Skins will use the franchise tag on Cooley - they are not going to let him go as a unrestricted free agent.

As for Sean Taylor we still have a couple years on his deal so they are not going to touch him before Cooley, but I think they will get both resigned.

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From JLC:
[B]
The Skins And Dock Were On Different Planets[/B]
[I]
The chasm between the Redskins and Derrick always existed, but I didn't realize just how great the difference was between their offers and Buffalo's until tonight. Howard and I spoke to some team sources and what they told us was pretty remarkable.

I'm not going to post the numbers here, but they'll be on the web later tonight I imagine as we update our stories and definitely in most editions of the paper tonight (although one edition has already gone to print by now if you can believe that).

The Bills deal was exponentially greater than anything the Redskins were dangling. Even had Dock got the kind of deal I thought he might as of Thursday afternoon - $12 mil guaranteed, $5 million ish per season - it wouldn't have been close.
[/I]

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I would hope they do the deal by Christmas. It really is up to Cooley. If he wants to go, he can probably get more money from someplace else. I just hope that Snyder doesn't get it into his head to be chincy with the guy. I think he has a tendency to lose sight of the big picture when the negotiations get tough. I guess this will be the great non-football sub-plot of the year. (Let's hope so anyway)

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This whole discussion vexes me greatly. I won't even entertain the thought of Cooley leaving.

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[quote=dmek25;341973]to me, its strictly up to Cooley, and where he wants to play. the money is probably going to be close to the same everywhere. right around 5 years, 25 million. maybe around a 8-10 million dollar bonus. hopefully he wants to stay[/quote]
Daniel Graham got 5 years, $30 million, $15 million guaranteed with the Broncos this offseason and Cooley is way better than him. Cooley is 3 years younger, and has gotten way more catches, yards, and touchdowns in three seasons than Graham has gotten in five years. Cooley's contract is going to be ridiculous if he hits the open market.

Grahams stats after 5 seasons:
120 catches, 1393 yards, 17 tds

Cooleys stats after 3 seasons:
165 catches, 1822 yards, 19 tds

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I would be willing to bet that Cooley will not be playing for the Redskins next year. Don't ask me why I just have a weird feeling that his extension is not going to get done, which would be one of the worst things to happen to this franchise in recent memory.

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I'd like to see him signed early this season that way it's done with. No need to drag this out all year. I know if both Cooley and Taylor left the team right now, I wouldn't have much interest in watching all the games. They are too hot playmakers that deserve some money.

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Wherever he goes, when it's all said and done Chris Cooley will be the highest paid TE in the league.

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Dockery's situation was ridiculous. I'm not sure what the Bills were smoking exactly, but they gave superstar money to a decent player. Cooley will at least deserve whatever big money he gets, and I think in this case the Skins realize it's going to take a significant deal to keep him here.

With Dockery I think the Skins had a reasonable number in mind given the type of player he is, and the Bills just blew things out of the water. I really can't fault the Skins for letting him go, and at the same time I don't blame Dockery for taking the money.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;342225]Dockery's situation was ridiculous. I'm not sure what the Bills were smoking exactly, but they gave superstar money to a decent player. Cooley will at least deserve whatever big money he gets, and I think in this case the Skins realize it's going to take a significant deal to keep him here.

With Dockery I think the Skins had a reasonable number in mind given the type of player he is, and the Bills just blew things out of the water. I really can't fault the Skins for letting him go, and at the same time I don't blame Dockery for taking the money.[/QUOTE]

I think the Redskins could have secured Dockery before he ever got to the open market for an affordable price if they didn't low-ball him.

Part of these guys job includes forecasting the market and making prudent decisions about players based on their forecasts.

We shouldn't even be talking about the ridiculous contract Dockery got.

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[quote=Drift Reality;341984]From JLC:

[B]The Skins And Dock Were On Different Planets[/B]

[I]The chasm between the Redskins and Derrick always existed, but I didn't realize just how great the difference was between their offers and Buffalo's until tonight. Howard and I spoke to some team sources and what they told us was pretty remarkable.[/I]

[I]I'm not going to post the numbers here, but they'll be on the web later tonight I imagine as we update our stories and definitely in most editions of the paper tonight (although one edition has already gone to print by now if you can believe that).[/I]

[I]The Bills deal was exponentially greater than anything the Redskins were dangling. Even had Dock got the kind of deal I thought he might as of Thursday afternoon - $12 mil guaranteed, $5 million ish per season - it wouldn't have been close.[/I]
[/quote]That would be like taken AA's contract we gave him and compared it to what his or other teams offered him. What was our offer and was it a fair deal and did the Bills just way over pay him? Thats the real question. You cannot use this to make a point unless you know what our offer was to say it was a low ball offer. I'm sure if we use the contract we gave AA one could say his other offers where low ball when they could have been a fair deal and what he was really worth.

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If cooley hits the market we lose him... PERIOD. Hes is too importnat to JC development for us to lose him. We need to pay him like the top 5 TE he is maybe like the #3 he is going to be.... this is one of those time im afraid we arent going to break the bank like we need to.... keep your fingers crossed!

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If Gibbs and The Danny screw this up, and allow Cooley to hit free agency, that will confirm for me once and for all that this franchise is akin to a ship without a rudder. When we pay a premium to draft Cooley by trading up, he exceeds expectations and establishes himself as one of the very best TEs in the league, it is a no-brainer to extend his deal BEFORE the end of the season. Once the season is over, Cooley will have all negotiating leverage, and will probably demand $10M more than he could be had for right now.