Tiki at it again
 

Tiki blames Coughlin for his retirement and has a book coming out

[URL="http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=txgiantsbarberbook&prov=st&type=lgns"]Barber blames Coughlin for retirement - NFL - Yahoo! Sports[/URL]


Isnt he suspose to be unbias now that hes a reporter. I think that this is pretty funny and gonna cause some additional disruption for the Giants, but at the same time I have lost any respect for Tiki I had previsouly, who does this right before the season starts?

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That came out in Tiki's book that is getting released. Tiki also went public with problems with Coughlin during the season last year. He was their # 1 running back, but since Coughlin didn't get fired he quit.

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I just finishing read this on ESPN. You know, he's making it easy for people to take shots at him over this whole thing. The more he talks, it's becoming more obvious that he's so caught up into "Tiki." The real bottom line is, his ego and Coughlin's style of coaching couldn't co-exist in the same locker room.

He seems like the type of player that was big on stats, but poor on leadership. The Giants may miss his touchdowns, but they won't miss his bitching.

And if the Giants think we've heard the last of Strahan crying like a bitch, just wait and see.

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Tiki always had great games against the skins.... glad hes gone and Im also glad hes running his mouth, he will put his foot in more and more until no one likes him anymore..... pretty soon he will say his brother sucks at football and cant play either

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Yeah the Giants have some serious personal problems, and not with people getting arrested, but with people bitching and complaining. Who does that as an adult.

I really hope Tiki doesnt pan out as a reporter, I really have no respect for him

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I mean, if he's so done with football and the Giants, why is he still bringing the past. Who didn't do what, blah, blah, blah.

As my favorite rapper would say, "keep it moving shorty"!

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TC seems like a real ass of a coach. I mean it's the NFL and he treats the players like it's HS football. Can't wear hats in meetings. He fines players for being early to meetings. That crap only goes so far before the players turn on you.

Tiki's constant bitching makes him look like one bitter dude. But I like some of it cause I hate TC so much. Has anyone ever seen TC smile? What an uptight jerk off.

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Tiki is trying to sell a book and you have to spill the beans to get people to buy your book. 1+1 = $$

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[quote=Toast20622;347046]That came out in Tiki's book that is getting released. Tiki also went public with problems with Coughlin during the season last year. He was their # 1 running back, but since Coughlin didn't get fired he quit.[/quote]
Tiki was planning to retire all season. He announced it way before he knew Coughlin was going to keep his job.

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Just heard Tony K. on PTI; he made a good point - Coughlin corrected Tiki's fumbling problem.

I like Tiki, but if I were Coughlin I'd have something to say about this to the press, his players will likely tink more of him if he does.

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waste of time. he's an idiot and whiny.

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But it's not as if he is the first guy to complain about Coughlin over the years.

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TiVi Barber needs to be first on the list of people who need to "Just SHUT UP!!" I will say that I don't mind the turmoil going on with each of our division rivals. Reid dealing with his sons' troubles is sad and I only wish them the best, but the fact that the coach of the defending division champs is distracted doesn't bother me. Plus the whole uproar about Trotter getting cut. The Giants have the Strahan/TiVi/Coughlin/Manning fiasco going on, and Cowgirls have QB coaches on roids. None of that kind of crap going on with our team.

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meanwhile, the redskins just go about their business. and what does agian mean?

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[quote=saden1;347080]Tiki is trying to sell a book and you have to spill the beans to get people to buy your book. 1+1 = $$[/quote]

No doubt. If this is true, then retirement was the correct choice for him. You don't try to divide your former team's locker room after you leave unless you are in it for yourself.

"There is no I in TEAM, but there is one in PROFIT"

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Coughlin's got some issues, but here's how I'd weigh his contributions to the game:

93-83-0 (Regular Season)
4-6 (Postseason)
97-89-0 (Overall)

Which, by and large, ain't too shabby.

Tiki's got some issues, too. But if he looked hard at his career, he'd realize Coughlin wasn't really one of them.

TDs from 1997-2003 (pre-Coughlin): 26
TDs from 2004-2006 (Coughlinian): 27
YPC from 1997-2003 (pre-Coughlin): 4.47
YPC from 2004-2006 (Coughlinian): 5.03
Fumbles per Touch (Rush/Rec) from 1997-2003 (pre-Coughlin): 2.14%
Fumbles per Touch (Rush/Rec) from 2004-2006 (Coughlinian): 0.77%

He may have "killed the love of the game", but by nearly every measurable stat, he resuscitated Tiki's ability to play it. If Tiki makes the Hall of Fame, he can attribute it to two things - Tom Coughlin, and the fact that the Redskins couldn't stop him... ever.

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joe gibbs owned tiki barber and made him pick all his cotton and if you doubt that unregister your name now.

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[quote=47YAC;347247]joe gibbs owned tiki barber and made him pick all his cotton and if you doubt that unregister your name now.[/quote]

Go away you horrible crackpot.

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[QUOTE=47YAC;347247]joe gibbs owned tiki barber and made him pick all his cotton and if you doubt that unregister your name now.[/QUOTE]

You.

Banned.

Now.

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Tiki keeps talking, Coughlin get's fired, the Giants pay him the 10mil. he says they owe him, and he returns to the team to become a thorn in our side again. I don't ever want to see him in a Giant's uniform again. I truly hope he does not talk himself off the set, he might decide to play again.

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I think that now with Tony Dungy winning a super bowl a new prescadence has been set about how players expect coaches to treat them. Before players would look at 'nice guy' coaches and say they seem nice to play for but if I want to win I got play for a guy who barely knows how to smile.

Tiki might have taken a look at the Colts and throught thats the kind of coach I want to play for. The type of coach that treats his players with the respect and class they deserve (though this is up for debate concerning certain players).

If I had to label Gibbs coaching style then I would label him as a Parcells/Dungy hybrid.

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i used to respect tiki but callin out all your teammates and coaches, even if it is just to sell a book, is cowardice. if you were unhappy with it at the time then deal with it then.

stop dwelling in the past tiki, time to move on.

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[QUOTE=dall-assblows;347309]i used to respect tiki but callin out all your teammates and coaches, even if it is just to sell a book, is cowardice. if you were unhappy with it at the time then deal with it then.

stop dwelling in the past tiki, time to move on.[/QUOTE]


When the Tom Friend article apeared last year in the WasPost and created such a stir, I recall Antonio Pierce boasting about what great organizational unity existed within the Giants organization, contrary to what he had experienced at times while he was here. I wonder if his take now is still the same.

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[quote=Longtimefan;347320]When the Tom Friend article apeared last year in the WasPost and created such a stir, I recall Antonio Pierce boasting about what great organizational unity existed within the Giants organization, contrary to what he had experienced at times while he was here. I wonder if his take now is still the same.[/quote]

Yes. They are unified by their hatred of Coughlin.

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you know the way i look at it? who cares who hates who, as long as those guys play on Sunday. and the giants have back to back playoff appearances. so Tiki, quit crying, and shut the f*** up

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It sounds weird saying this about a retired player, but the only person he's really hurting is himself. It sounds like he still has to prove something, I just don't think anyone cares. He's yesterday's news.

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[quote=hagams;347350]It sounds weird saying this about a retired player, but the only person he's really hurting is himself. It sounds like he still has to prove something, I just don't think anyone cares. He's yesterday's news.[/quote]

Its true, nobody really cares. Its not like Giants fans are now calling for Coughlins retirement (any more so than before the comments were made). If anything they are going the other way and realizing how Tiki's numbers were much better under TC and that the validity of Tiki's previous criticism of TC is now questionable. Is it actually TC's fault or is Tiki just a little soft, whiny baby?

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[quote=steveo395;347082]Tiki was planning to retire all season. He announced it way before he knew Coughlin was going to keep his job.[/quote]

The way it is being reported is wrong. Tiki said that Coughlin made him lose his love for the game not that he would have come back had Coughlin gotten fired. The point is that he stopped loving football playing under Coughlin. Once you lose that fire it wouldn't have mattered if a new coach came in or not. Obviously it is not nearly on the same level, but I kind of understand as I had a similar experience playing college football. I had a bad coach, a program that was not committed to winning, and playing football just was not the same for me. Football was my life and then I got in a situation where it just was not fun anymore and I ended up transferring and giving up football. I'm biased as I'm a Tiki fan from back in the UVa days, but I understand what he's saying and I think the reporting of his comments doesn't quite capture the meaning.

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[QUOTE=Joe Ribbs BBQ;347050]Tiki always had great games against the skins.... glad hes gone and Im also glad hes running his mouth, he will put his foot in more and more until no one likes him anymore..... pretty soon he will say his brother sucks at football and cant play either[/QUOTE]

yeah really thats because his brother has a ring and he doesn,t.lol
to me he,s just another mouth in the media at this point...

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To be fair Tiki also gave him credit for helping him become a better running back so its not like he just bashed the guy. He gave his view both bad and good.

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I love this, the more drama and off the field things the Giants have to deal with the better for us!

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I don't think anyone in the Giants Locker Room give two shits about Tiki or his book. He's a self promoter and has no chance of being in the Hall of Fame because that pussy has the heart of a small animal.

This book will not do a thing to damage the Giants season.

Eli's ducks, no running backs, no secondary, old aging offensive and defensive line, and a lame duck coach will bury the Giants, not a book.....

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I wonder how many of Tiki's teammates tried to talk him out of retirement and return for another season? At least Strahan had the support of the staff and the team.

The idea that Coughlin made him lose his love for the game is ridiculous. I don't buy it. Tiki couldn't have easily requested a trade to another team.

As far Pierce's comments, I guess the grass really isn't greener on the other side, is it AP?

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;347392]I love this, the more drama and off the field things the Giants have to deal with the better for us![/QUOTE]

I don't think this will be an issue for the Giants on the field, even though it will likely be a scapegoat. They are already going to finish last in the division.
If anything, Tiki may have opened Eli's eyes and he will play better, which would not be good for us. Tiki means nothing to that team anymore.

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Aikman chimes in

[url=http://www.nypost.com/seven/09072007/sports/giants/aikman__barbers_to_blame.htm]AIKMAN: BARBER'S TO BLAME | By JUSTIN TERRANOVA | New York Giants[/url]

[QUOTE=Troy Aikman]When you look at the Giants, and you say, why haven't they been able to accomplish more, and you see some of the things we have witnessed, like Tiki Barber's comments regarding Eli Manning, I don't think you have to look much further than that and say maybe now I understand why that team has underachieved.[/QUOTE]

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LOL nice shot by Jimmy Johnson here:

[quote]"If it hadn't been for Tom Coughlin, Tiki Barber might not have even been playing the last couple of years," Johnson said. "If he kept on dropping the ball the way he was, he would have been over on the sidelines. I guess when he started broadcasting he got smarter and forgot about all of that."
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That was a nice quote by JJ. You would think this rally the Giants to prove Tiki wrong, but we'll see...

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I still think the loss of Tiki on the field is going to hurt the Giants more than help them. He was their only real homerun hitter.

With two plodders at RB now, they're probably going to face more 3rd and long situations and there will be much more pressure on Eli in general. I just don't think he's a big time QB that can carry an offense.

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Man, if Eli had an ounce of his brother in him, the dude would be scary.

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[quote=12thMan;348398]Man, if Eli had an ounce of his brother in him, the dude would be scary.[/quote]
Oh, he has an ounce but thats about it.