Are We Being Too Hard on Brandon Lloyd?
 

I thought maybe this deserved its own thread. Given the state of flux with our QB situation over the past two years and with JC still getting comfortable with everything, are we being a little too hard on Brandon Lloyd?

He didn't produce last year, we saw nothing to speak of during a pre-season, and he was largely absent in the season opener. Also, it looks like ARE has pretty much sealed the deal as our number two.

By all accounts, he came into camp with a great attitude and was in shape. But when should we say enougth is enough with this kid? I mean, if he was getting James Thrash type money, this wouldn't even be thread worthy, but 30MM?

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We have to keep him this year for money reasons. He needs to take that opportunity to make himself indispensable or he'll be gone next year. The reason they brought him on was to make catches like the one that was intercepted Sunday. He has the ability to go up and get that ball. He needs to start making plays with the limited opportunities that he is now likely to get as the 4th or 5th receiver.

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[quote=70Chip;350621]We have to keep him this year for money reasons. He needs to take that opportunity to make himself indispensable or he'll be gone next year. The reason they brought him on was to make catches like the one that was intercepted Sunday. He has the ability to go up and get that ball. He needs to start making plays with the limited opportunities that he is now likely to get as the 4th or 5th receiver.[/quote]

A couple of guys I know that were at the game said that one of Campbell's interceptions was B. Lloyds fault. He never went up for the ball or something. I'm not saying it was, just what heard.

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B Lloyd has been in the dog house ever since he threw a hissy fit and got benched by Gibbs and even deactivated at the end of last season.

The writting has been on the wall for some time now.

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I for one, think we are being FAR too hard on him. He's under an EXTRA critical eye because of what happened last year.

Let's all ALSO remember that last year there wasn't a single receiver who did well, PERIOD. People are too concerned with regurgitating all the "drops" he had last year. If he had so many drops, I'd LOVE to know what games because in my recollection he caught EVERYTHING thrown his way.

He's starting to get the "Carlos Rogers" treatment where everyone just assumes he's bad because someone else said it.

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yea i dont know what to think about brandon anymore. in someway im still waiting for him to have that one great game to break the ice, for some reason i think this guy could be pretty damn good and also from the game on Sunday i dont recall JC throwing to him more than once or twice, just like he did with cooley, so i dont know. i think in about 2 or 3 more games we should have our answer on mr Lloyd.

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He hasn't done much to prove us wrong that's for sure. And his half-hearted effort on that INT on Sunday didn't help his case either.

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When you talk about half-hearted, are you talking about the jump or going after the DB after he intercepted it?

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;350629]When you talk about half-hearted, are you talking about the jump or going after the DB after he intercepted it?[/quote]


I've heard both.

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From what I've heard, what has frustrated the coaches most is that he has little to no grasp of the playbook. Apparently, and I don't know how you can tell unless you know the playbook nor how much it really matters if he indeed is getting open, he improvises a lot of his routes because he doesn't know which are the right routes to run.

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[quote=12thMan;350623]A couple of guys I know that were at the game said that one of Campbell's interceptions was B. Lloyds fault. He never went up for the ball or something. I'm not saying it was, just what heard.[/quote]
OK 12th it sounds like you want to start a thread to bash Lloyd. You started the thread hinting at what he has done wrong then you have the 2nd post throwing it out that he may have caused the 2nd interception of JC.

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Yeah, TMC, for the sake of arguement I'm willing to give a pass on last year. That said, if you look at last Sunday... where was our ocho cinco? I'm not going to pull the stats but I remember ONE catch for 5 yards. Like Matty said, that int was every bit as much BL's fault as Campbell's. The money doesn't even bother me in this scenario. I'm more pissed that we may have missed out on opportunities to look at other wr's because we targeted him.

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Too hard? Perhaps. I think the jury is still out on this guy.

It is still too early to determine what sort of impact he will have on our offense THIS year. You could compare his contributions to Cooley's so far this year and I don't think that is a fair assessment. We all know Cooley will contribute. I say give him a few more weeks and see what happens, then we'll be able to tell if we're being "Too Hard" on Brandon Lloyd.

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OK do we have film of that play?

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We don't get a chance to see the behind the scenes stuff. I would venture to guess it's not like Lloyd came back this year and offered to play special teams and do whatever it takes to rebuild his image into a team player. He doesn't produce period. If he was not a cap killer they obviously would cut him.... any team would. If his strength is stretching a defense why are his two signature deep plays dropping a bomb from Campbell on his first NFL pass and a half assed effort against Miami. Heart of glass player it would seem. Very sad because we needed another deep threat to really throw teams off balance.

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[quote=firstdown;350634]OK 12th it sounds like you want to start a thread to bash Lloyd. You started the thread hinting at what he has done wrong then you have the 2nd post throwing it out that he may have caused the 2nd interception of JC.[/quote]

Not really trying to bash Lloyd. I did point out how he came into camp in good condition with a good attitude. And how JC is still learning the system too.

I'd like to see the cat succeed and stick around as a Redskin. I'm just wondering if this is all about him and not the team. On the int., I'm simply repeating what I heard from two different people who attended the game.

When I say are "we" being hard on B. Lloyd?, I'm definitely including myself in that crowd.

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[quote=SmootSmack;350633]From what I've heard, what has frustrated the coaches most is that he has little to no grasp of the playbook. Apparently, and I don't know how you can tell unless you know the playbook nor how much it really matters if he indeed is getting open, he improvises a lot of his routes because he doesn't know which are the right routes to run.[/quote]

That's disappointing. The Redskins system is as easy as it could be. There are options within the numbering system which require being on the same page with the QB but he's had more than enough time to figure that out. I have noticed that when I run "LLoyd Option" on Madden it seldom works out very well. I wish Madden Lloyd were smarter than real Lloyd.

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[quote=SmootSmack;350633]From what I've heard, what has frustrated the coaches most is that he has little to no grasp of the playbook. Apparently, and I don't know how you can tell unless you know the playbook nor how much it really matters if he indeed is getting open, he improvises a lot of his routes because he doesn't know which are the right routes to run.[/quote]

That would make a whole LOT of sense considering it wasn't for lack of catching the ball last year. I just remember him not getting a lot of looks and that would make a lot of sense.

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[quote=12thMan;350631]I've heard both.[/quote]

IMO, he cut in front of the DB to try to make the catch. I didn't see any half hearted approach. He came up a little short and the DB made a good catch. Now, i didn't see the replay and I didn't see him after the INT was made. If i'm wrong tell me.

When i first saw it nothing told me that he wasn't trying.

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[quote=redsk1;350653]IMO, he cut in front of the DB to try to make the catch. I didn't see any half hearted approach. He came up a little short and the DB made a good catch. Now, i didn't see the replay and I didn't see him after the INT was made. If i'm wrong tell me.

When i first saw it nothing told me that he wasn't trying.[/quote]

I'm not here to dispute that. You saw what you saw.

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[quote=redsk1;350653]IMO, he cut in front of the DB to try to make the catch. I didn't see any half hearted approach. He came up a little short and the DB made a good catch. Now, i didn't see the replay and I didn't see him after the INT was made. If i'm wrong tell me.

When i first saw it nothing told me that he wasn't trying.[/quote]


I think that he kind of quit running about the time the ball was being thrown and then started up again when he realized it was coming his way. He would have been in a better position to block out the defender if he had kept going. But, he still could have gotten it if he had timed his jump little better. I don't think one play should make or break anyone. I just think that this team is moving farther on and it's time for people to either get on the train or exit the platform (I'm pretty sure that was an engineer's cap that CP was wearing at his presser after the game). We can't hold Brandon's hand forever.

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[quote=70Chip;350658]I think that he kind of quit running about the time the ball was being thrown and then started up again when he realized it was coming his way. He would have been in a better position to block out the defender if he had kept going. But, he still could have gotten it if he had timed his jump little better. I don't think one play should make or break anyone. I just think that this team is moving farther on and it's time for people to either get on the train or exit the platform (I'm pretty sure that was an engineer's cap that CP was wearing at his presser after the game). We can't hold Brandon's hand forever.[/quote]

Speaking of, CP. You know he says some crazy things in interviews at times, but I was impressed with his presser. Very serious and straight forward.

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I think alot of people look at the final #'s and put the blame on Lloyd. I'm not so sure that Jerry Rice would be able to put up #'s in our pass game right now. That's just the facts. JC is a young, developing QB that needs to keep on improving. I don't remember but Lloyd did fairly well in SF. San Francisco!!

Maybe there is something to this thing behind the scenes. If there is i'll be the first one to say bench him. But right now i have a hard time putting blame on him. If he's got issues, i'm more than happy to see JT in there as a 3.

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[quote=redsk1;350660]I think alot of people look at the final #'s and put the blame on Lloyd. I'm not so sure that Jerry Rice would be able to put up #'s in our pass game right now. That's just the facts. JC is a young, developing QB that needs to keep on improving. I don't remember but Lloyd did fairly well in SF. San Francisco!!

Maybe there is something to this thing behind the scenes. If there is i'll be the first one to say bench him. But right now i have a hard time putting blame on him. If he's got issues, i'm more than happy to see JT in there as a 3.[/quote]

I don't think anyone's putting the blame soley on Lloyd. I think people want him to do his part, that's all. ARE got here at the same time, and he's been producing.

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[quote=12thMan;350645]Not really trying to bash Lloyd. I did point out how he came into camp in good condition with a good attitude. And how JC is still learning the system too.

I'd like to see the cat succeed and stick around as a Redskin. I'm just wondering if this is all about him and not the team. On the int., I'm simply repeating what I heard from two different people who attended the game.

When I say are "we" being hard on B. Lloyd?, I'm definitely including myself in that crowd.[/quote]

I watched it over on TIVO. He barely made an effort to tackle the DB on the return. I think it was Davis for the Phins started sprinting up the field and Lloyd starting jogging. On the INT itself Campbell threw up a 50/50 ball and the DB had position on Lloyd. I'm sure Campbell thought Lloyd could have at least gotten a hand on it to break it up. I think if it was ARE he would have gotten a hand on it.

I want Lloyd to do well for the Skins, but when I'm exerting more energy cheering for the Skins then he is on the field then it's not good.

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[quote=12thMan;350659]Speaking of, CP. You know he says some crazy things in interviews at times, but I was impressed with his presser. Very serious and straight forward.[/quote]

Yes. I enjoy watching him mau-mau the press. No more shenanigans or monkey-shines. It's as though Southeast Jerome joined the Black Panther Party.

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I think I am still a supporter of him, but I wish we threw his way more. We threw to him twice last game, and he kinda was in the doghouse last year. I still think there is something left in him, but I am kinda losing hope for the kid. See what I dont like about the coaching staff is they dont give the opportunity for the kid to even prove his worth. He only got two chances. You cant just give any WR just two chances to prove themselves.

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[quote=redsk1;350653]IMO, he cut in front of the DB to try to make the catch. I didn't see any half hearted approach. He came up a little short and the DB made a good catch. Now, i didn't see the replay and I didn't see him after the INT was made. If i'm wrong tell me.

When i first saw it nothing told me that he wasn't trying.[/quote]

I agree completely. The idea he didn't try hard enough seems ridiculous to me. He misplayed the ball by inches by cutting in front of the DB the way he did and may have been better served to just go up with him instead, but the botch, if there was one, had nothing to do with effort. Get a life, guys. He also caught a pass that was called back through no fault of his own.
I also don't believe he doesn't know the play book. He wouldn't be out there at all if he did. He also doesn't drop passes and has generally succeeded when the ball has been thrown to him.

The fact is, he's just as good here as he was in San Francisco. It's just the chemistry is different here and nobody's giving him a look or making him a first option. In SF, he was the looked for receiver. Here, he's got two great receivers ahead of him and a third receiver who's also probably better than he is.

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[quote=Crazyhorse1;350665]I agree completely. The idea he didn't try hard enough seems ridiculous to me. He misplayed the ball by inches by cutting in front of the DB the way he did and may have been better served to just go up with him instead, but the botch, if there was one, had nothing to do with effort. Get a life, guys. He also caught a pass that was called back through no fault of his own.
I also don't believe he doesn't know the play book. He wouldn't be out there at all if he did. He also doesn't drop passes and has generally succeeded when the ball has been thrown to him.

The fact is, he's just as good here as he was in San Francisco. It's just the chemistry is different here and nobody's giving him a look or making him a first option. In SF, he was the looked for receiver. Here, he's got two great receivers ahead of him and a third receiver who's also probably better than he is.[/quote]

Trust me when i say he didn't try to tackle the DB after the INT... Or take a look at the Film. IT DOESN"T LIE

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[quote=70Chip;350663]Yes. I enjoy watching him mau-mau the press. No more shenanigans or monkey-shines. It's as though Southeast Jerome joined the Black Panther Party.[/quote]

Great analogy. I have run into a few Southeast Jeromes in my day.

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;350629]When you talk about half-hearted, are you talking about the jump or going after the DB after he intercepted it?[/quote]

Both, he just didn't seem to want it bad enough.

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I've been a Lloyd supporter but when it's come time to produce or shut up he has not produced. I wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt, but most WR would have made a stronger attempt at the ball that Campbell threw up there that was picked.. He didn't fight for the ball, play defense if he couldn't get it or anything.. Then he JOGGED after the DB who picked it off.. I'd be suprised if he's not on the inactive list for most of the games after the bye week. Moss, ARE, Caldwell, Thrash & Bodiford will be the gameday WR corps I'd bet..

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We're all still trying to figure out what's happening with Brandon Lloyd. The end-zone play on Sunday happened 35yds. from where we sit, we all thought he could have made a better effort to either catch the ball, knock it down, or if neccessary it would not have been a killer to have an offensive interference penalty in that situation. Further his effort to go after the interceptor left a lot to be desired.

We're concerned whether his heart and mind is actually on football, or on other outside interest he obviously has, namely his music.

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[quote=Mattyk72;350628]He hasn't done much to prove us wrong that's for sure. And his half-hearted effort on that INT on Sunday didn't help his case either.[/quote]

Agree. We just missed it with the Lloyd signing and paid way to much for a under achiever.

IMO this will be his last year in DC, IF he doesn't take a MAJOR STEP!

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Sorry folks, the int isn't on Lloyd, he jumped and BARELY missed the ball. It was amazing play by the corner. Lloyd also sacrificed his body and bailed JC out on a ball that was horribly overthrown. You remember him stretching out and getting rocked on a poorly thrown ball, that doesn't show heart?

I stand by what Cooley said on EITM. Even on this site everyone was talking about how good of a character, etc he is until the day where he wore the hat that said FUCK in big letters on it. Cooley said there was nothing wrong in the locker room and felt that hat really rubbed Gibbs the wrong way and he got pissed. Directly after that he all of a sudden was some cancer.

If we want to judge Lloyd, how about we get some balls his way. I bet he could make some plays if he got more than one look a game. We have to get our passing game going with high percentage throws and catches. This will help Campbell, Moss, Lloyd, ARE, Cooley, everyone.

Another question, with the speed and athletic WRs we have, why do we never see a simple slant? It's so difficult to defend, and with the speed we have we could turn a 4 yard slant into a twenty yard gain.

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To answer the question. YES.

However, we are paying him a lot, and he is not there when we need him. I have stuck by Lloyd, and I hope he comes around for us, but I am discouraged with the fact he seems to get lost in the plays.

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[QUOTE=TheMalcolmConnection;350625]I for one, think we are being FAR too hard on him. He's under an EXTRA critical eye because of what happened last year.

Let's all ALSO remember that last year there wasn't a single receiver who did well, PERIOD. People are too concerned with regurgitating all the "drops" he had last year. If he had so many drops, I'd LOVE to know what games because in my recollection he caught EVERYTHING thrown his way.

He's starting to get the "Carlos Rogers" treatment where everyone just assumes he's bad because someone else said it.[/QUOTE]

wow.... you can see the poop running in his veins. that play in the endzone had very minimal effort. and the reason im not saying "no" effort was because he did jump... but thats about it. 1. has a poop attitude 2. plays like poop 3. makes way way to much money to have the word poop in lines 1 and 2.

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[quote=12thMan;350661]I don't think anyone's putting the blame soley on Lloyd. I think people want him to do his part, that's all. ARE got here at the same time, and he's been producing.[/quote]
Ok, I'll use your standard El last year Yards 351 Lloyd 365 so thats not a very good argument. I'm not saying Lloyd has earned a thing but there is enough blam to go around as all of our WR's number where down and Moss's number were half of 05 and look at all the balls he dropped Sunday.

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[quote=12thMan;350623]A couple of guys I know that were at the game said that one of Campbell's interceptions was B. Lloyds fault. He never went up for the ball or something. I'm not saying it was, just what heard.[/quote]

no chance it was 85's fault, terrible pass, had no business throwing it there. it was early though so i wont get on campbell too much for it. as soon as he let it go my entire section gasped.

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Yeah of all the things you can blame Brandon Lloyd for the INT is not one of them. Campbell overthrew him the man isn't 6'4.