Clock Management Issue
 

So I love the win, but I have noticed the last couple years every Skins game there seems to be a clock management issue right before halftime or at the end of the 4th. Not just play calling issues but actual problems such as the coaches not knowing what to do, the players not getting ready in time.

I was listening to some radio coverage after the game and they were talking about how this could cost the Skins a game this year if we dont figure out whatever the hell is going on.

Now in defense agaisnt those who are calling Gibbs a pansy last night right before half, on the postgame he said that the first delay was due to communication going out on JC's helmet. That is forgiven.

The second was just a false start, which was terrible. But what most people are pissed about is how Gibbs was ready to take the FG with 14 seconds left. Now I dont think its because he was "scared" because in the post game presser he said that the reason he sent out the FG unit is because the PLAYERS were confused, some of the O unit was out while the FG unit was out as well. The clock was running down and he didnt want us to move WAY out of FG range because of the confusion.

So now the question is that some of the fault of the coaching staff? I would say yes. Why is half the O out there on the field and half the FG unit. They should have had this figured out along with the many possible scenarios that could potentially unfold.

I think it might have to do with Gibbs' staff being very unorganized rather than Gibbs just being conservative. In that case it is actually more alarming to me.

Thoughts?

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I think that's a case where there was a lot of miscommunication going on. I think some of it was Gibbs and Co., and some was a misunderstanding about what the game clock should have read.

But to your point, it does seem like we're the Key Stone cops in moments like these. To be truthful, that's when you really appreciate JC's poise the most, he doesn't panick and lose his cool.

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Al Saunders and Bill Lazor need to get the plays into Campbell more quickly. When you get down to the 10 and no timeouts, you need to have a play that you have prepared and feel good about that you can send in. The time to have a discussion about it is when the defense has the ball or during one of the t.v. timeouts that add up to like an hour and a half. By the time the play clock is moving it's too late to get into "What about this" or "I think we should do that".

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Maybe its a time thing and the kicking team comes on when there is so much time left in the half and the O wanted to run another play so theyr were hanging around. I do recall an issue in 2005 but not last year but I don't see it as that big of a deal.

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Re: Not To Be Negative...
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Originally Posted by Dlyne8r View Post
OMG, Fabini was in another world, another game, or somewhere other than where he should have been. What the hell was up with so many repeat false-starts? Then, our coaches blew the clock management during this same drive. Where were we, on the two yard line or something? Those miscues almost killed that drive entirely. Of all the negatives, those there were the winners (or losers). I thought Gibbs and Co. got past those issues a couple of years ago.

BleedBurgundy wrote:
That clock management wasn't on us. The officials stopped the clock briefly which made our guys think the play clock was also reset. We got screwed. Lucky to come away with a td on that one.

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I'll forgive this incident, mostly because it didn't cost us in the end because the players were able to focus and everyone executed well on the TD.

I'll chalk it up to it being early in the season, and not all situations have been encountered or practiced, and the team is still feeling each other out and trying to establish an identity. I don't foresee this being an issue as the season progresses.

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I don't see it as a problem. I listenened to the game on the radio and they kept pointing out that Jason's helmet radio wasn't working and that he signaled that he couldn't hear the play and he tried to call something different but of course there was no time left. Gibbs said later that he felt that since there were 3 back to back mistakes that he was going to take the 3 until they called the timeout. I didn't have a problem with it, I hope that they give Jason more situations where he calls his own plays in practice just incase something like this happens again.

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It was a one time thing that hopefully won't happen again. If it does then I'll call it an issue.

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The reason that he sent the FG team on w/ 14 seconds left was b/c the coaches thought that the ref's would run off 10 seconds b/c of the penalty. It turns out they didn't run off the 10 seconds b/c of the False start which of course left 14 seconds. So...they really thought there would be only 4 seconds left therefore just allowing time enough to kick a FG. When Reid called time out they realized that there was time to try one more pass into the endzone....thank god.

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I was ready to break the tv when I saw the fg team out there, if the Eagles didnt call that timeout we would have kicked it. That could have easily cost us the game.

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How is it that the helmet mic's ever stop working. The fact that there is ever technical difficulties with them when Dan invests so much money into this team is shocking to me.

You've got thousands of people working for you. You are a billionaire. Why don't you spend a little cash, and order the system re-built ground up with new state of the art equipment.

Is all of his money tied up in labor?

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Not only that but our mics seem to stop working at the worse times (last year against Carolina??)

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Aren't the radios provided by the league?

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Well, then we have more(32 owners) money from which to pool to get a decent system in place. Just a little consistency in this cheater's world, that's all.

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I think the patriots jammed the radios. SOBs!

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[QUOTE=redsk1;353825]The reason that he sent the FG team on w/ 14 seconds left was b/c the coaches thought that the ref's would run off 10 seconds b/c of the penalty. It turns out they didn't run off the 10 seconds b/c of the False start which of course left 14 seconds. So...they really thought there would be only 4 seconds left therefore just allowing time enough to kick a FG. When Reid called time out they realized that there was time to try one more pass into the endzone....thank god.[/QUOTE]

Didn't the Eagles only have like 9 players on the field or something like that for that near field goal attempt? Why aren't we questioning Reid's coaching skills there? And to think there are people here who call him one of the five greatest coaches of all time.

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I guess im more of a family minded sports fan. And I coach little league baseball. And i think that if you can't parent, you can't coach. So I don't put him even close to the top 5 of coaches. Family first.

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I don't think it's his parenting skills at this point. His kids are "big boys" they can make their own decisions. Obviously they are making the right ones. Not Andy Reid's fault.

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I think the delay of game was just a minor coaching mistake along with having a new QB at the helm. However I think the over all issue of "managing" the game goes farther.
It seems to happen all the time: we are making a drive down the field and its like we enter the red zone allmost unexpectedly. Instead of continueing the drive and getting a TD we call a time out to mull things over. It drives me nuts, why cant we finish a drive without getting flusterd?

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In all seriousness, since the whole spying thing happened, alot of teams have reported that their communications go out at the worst times when they're in someone else's stadium. Is that a coincidence? I doubt it.

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Jim Miller on NFL radio said that there are certain stadiums that your headset seems to HAPPEn to go out in. Two of the places he mentioned were Philly and DC where every time he played headsets seemed to short out at a bad time.

The time issue is an issue. Had we not scored a TD there, the game could have been MUCH different.

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Hm so I guess less of you think it's an issue that I would have thought. Its not about the radio going out. That was the 1st delay of game. After that they had probably decided the play. There still is no excuse for sending out the FG unit with 14 seconds left in the half, when you clearly have time for one more shot to the endzone. Period.

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[quote=redsk1;353825][B]The reason that he sent the FG team on w/ 14 seconds left was b/c the coaches thought that the ref's would run off 10 seconds b/c of the penalty. It turns out they didn't run off the 10 seconds b/c of the False start which of course left 14 seconds. So...they really thought there would be only 4 seconds left therefore just allowing time enough to kick a FG.[/B] When Reid called time out they realized that there was time to try one more pass into the endzone....thank god.[/quote]

I just listened to the Gibbs presser 9/18 today and he said it was NOT because of that. He said the coaches knew the rules and the call, it was all his mistake and he claimed responsibility. It's great he is claiming responsibility but at the same time this kinda of stuff cant happen again.

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hasnt anyone noticed though that when ever they have a radio problem its the visiting team that has the problem.. hmmm wonder if it had to do with the eagles messing with the channels/frequency or whatever it is they need to set to make them work. just a thought

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Since Gibbs has come back the staff has been less than stellar at managing the clock. There always seems to be confusion and delay. I dont know if it comes from all the coaches having to input prior to a play of just too many play choices but it does not seem to be getting much better.

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[quote=irish;354101]Since Gibbs has come back the staff has been less than stellar at managing the clock. There always seems to be confusion and delay. I dont know if it comes from all the coaches having to input prior to a play of just too many play choices but it does not seem to be getting much better.[/quote]

I agree 100%. I remember Gibbs' first year back was awful. Gibbs said that they use to have 5 additional seconds his first time coaching to call plays in, however; no radios. I think this all boils down to caoching issues. This is year 4 of his return and he really needs step up the game managment.

It has to piss players off. When you have a good drive going, then the coaching staff cant come up with a play in time or want to mull things over and call a time out.

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i'm unwilling to give the staff the benefit of the doubt at this point. Poor clock management has plagued Gibbs' second tenure, and its simply unacceptable. Its almost as if they are totally unprepared- which goes against everything we know and love about Gibbs. Its time for him to get this aspect of his act together- I know he will.

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[QUOTE=irish;354101]Since Gibbs has come back the staff has been less than stellar at managing the clock. There always seems to be confusion and delay. I dont know if it comes from all the coaches having to input prior to a play of just too many play choices but it does not seem to be getting much better.[/QUOTE]

Good post, irish. It's not the first time we've had this trouble in Gibbs Two. I think it has to do with Joe not calling the plays, and then having to jump in as head coach and make the TO and 4th down calls--probably interupts the flow. They've got to get it worked out, because it WILL bite them in the ass sooner or later. If Campbell misses that throw to Cooley, this thread would be full of rants and raves against JG on this issue. Philly and JC bailed him out a bit here--not that JG isn't aware of this, but it's time to fix it.

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never doubt gibbs he is god

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[QUOTE=stbabyy;354171]never doubt gibbs he is god[/QUOTE]

:doh:

Where does the endless supply come from?

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trying to get enough posts to start a thread :-D

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Well it seems like the last 2 minutes of this game was a mess adn we can say
it was because of play calling.

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Look, the most pathetic part of the half was the way the clock was mismanaged late. But who knows if we would have scored anyway? Can't put the fact that we didn't score on Gibbs, only the fact that if we would have, then the Giants would have had 40 seconds to work with.

Spiking the ball with all that time remaining was hard to watch though.

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[quote=GTripp0012;356171]Look, the most pathetic part of the half was the way the clock was mismanaged late. But who knows if we would have scored anyway? Can't put the fact that we didn't score on Gibbs, only the fact that if we would have, then the Giants would have had 40 seconds to work with.

Spiking the ball with all that time remaining was hard to watch though.[/quote]

Not only that but I felt the 4th down play at the GL was rushed.