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Is anyone else sick of their dilusions about "it's the world against me" crap? First is was the disrespect thing, now the belicheat thing.

My basset hounds decided to make a statement! LOL.



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lmao, thats great. Now you should sell it on Ebay.

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The bottom line is when you have multiple Super Bowls in a short period of time you have to do things that motivate the team.

The Pats have become my 2nd favorite team. I just like how they handle their business. All that crap that went on last week was so stupid. It does not affect the outcome of football games and anyone that is football knowledgeable understands that. And what did they do? Went out and destroyed a very good football team. Like them or not you can't deny that they are great.

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;354998]The bottom line is when you have multiple Super Bowls in a short period of time you have to do things that motivate the team.

The Pats have become my 2nd favorite team. I just like how they handle their business. All that crap that went on last week was so stupid. It does not affect the outcome of football games and anyone that is football knowledgeable understands that. And what did they do? Went out and destroyed a very good football team. Like them or not you can't deny that they are great.[/QUOTE]

Damn dude...why not give them more love?

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I think this team is going to ride this bus all season and I would not blame them. Moss has 17 catches this yaer and Brady has thrown to him 18 times.

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shit happens!

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[quote=skinsfan69;354998]The bottom line is when you have multiple Super Bowls in a short period of time you have to do things that motivate the team.

The Pats have become my 2nd favorite team. I just like how they handle their business. All that crap that went on last week was so stupid. It does not affect the outcome of football games and anyone that is football knowledgeable understands that. And what did they do? Went out and destroyed a very good football team. Like them or not you can't deny that they are great.[/quote]

It doesn't affect the outcome? Are you serious? Then why spend time and money doing something that is obviously illegal in the NFL?

I love how people can even begin to claim that cheating doesn't give an unfair advantage. It just does, and its flatout wrong. Have you seen the video taken of the defensive signals? I don't think they are a bad team, but they cheated and what they did was wrong and messed up. Many people don't like them to begin with and this just adds to that. So like it or not, the Patriots are still cheaters(based on the rules and regulation of the NFL which they clearly knew).

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I hate the Patriots only, but I don't see anyone beating them right now. They could go 16-0 barring some major injury.

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[QUOTE=Smooter;354995]lmao, thats great. Now you should sell it on Ebay.[/QUOTE]

LOL...I wonder how much it would bring?

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I'm joining this bandwagon too. I'm sick of hearing about them. I really wish Belicheat would just leave the NFL so we wouldn't have to hear about him again.

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[QUOTE=hooskins;355007]It doesn't affect the outcome? Are you serious? Then why spend time and money doing something that is obviously illegal in the NFL?

I love how people can even begin to claim that cheating doesn't give an unfair advantage. It just does, and its flatout wrong. Have you seen the video taken of the defensive signals? I don't think they are a bad team, but they cheated and what they did was wrong and messed up. Many people don't like them to begin with and this just adds to that. So like it or not, the Patriots are still cheaters(based on the rules and regulation of the NFL which they clearly knew).[/QUOTE]

I agree. You have to ask yourself this, if it doesn't help, or doesn't give an unfair advantage, why did the Patriots do it? Obviously it does. The dumbest argument is that it didn't affect anything. Of course it did or they wouldn't have wasted the time trying it.

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I've hated them for years. Mainly because my uncle lives in Boston and is a Pats fan, and I've never liked my uncle, ergo I disliked the Patriots long before they were good.

Nobody can argue that they have a formula for winning year in and year out (whether that includes cheating or not). Yes, 3 Super Bowls, modern dynasty, yadda yadda.

None of that erases the fact that Belichick is an arrogant prick, and Brady is no better. Look at an organization like the Colts where you've got Manning and Dungy, probably to of the most standup, classy guys in the league. I'll root for them any day of the week even if they aren't any good.

Frankly I'm glad Belichick will forever be remembered with an asterisk next to his name. A fitting footnote for the games most pompous asshole.

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[quote=Daseal;355008]I hate the Patriots only, but I don't see anyone beating them right now. They could go 16-0 barring some major injury.[/quote]No. No they can not.

They will probably win at least twelve games, but it's nearly impossible for even a team made up entirely of probowlers to go a whole year without getting beat. The Pats are better than last year...but not leaps and bounds.

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What worries me most about this picture is how the poop got there.

Unless your dogs have great aim, did you have to pick that up and move the poo?

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[QUOTE=TheMalcolmConnection;355019]What worries me most about this picture is how the poop got there.

Unless your dogs have great aim, did you have to pick that up and move the poo?[/QUOTE]

Thank god he doesn't have a great dane.

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[QUOTE=TheMalcolmConnection;355019]What worries me most about this picture is how the poop got there.

Unless your dogs have great aim, did you have to pick that up and move the poo?[/QUOTE]

LOL...I stepped up to the plate for the sake of a great picture!

Not to get too technical, but out here the sun bakes everything extremely quickly. The poo gets very dry in a matter of hours after it is pooed. It was easy to pick it up with the patriot shirt and pose it for the picture.

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[quote=Daseal;355008]I hate the Patriots only, but I don't see anyone beating them right now. They could go 16-0 barring some major injury.[/quote]
I'd love to see Laron put Brady's lights out on a blind-side hit when we play them. For that matter, I'd like Taylor to put out Randy Moss's lights as well.

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[QUOTE=jsarno;355056]LOL...I stepped up to the plate for the sake of a great picture!

Not to get too technical, but out here the sun bakes everything extremely quickly. The poo gets very dry in a matter of hours after it is pooed. It was easy to pick it up with the patriot shirt and pose it for the picture.[/QUOTE]

Did you use gloves, a bag or some sort of barrier?

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[quote=jsarno;355000]Damn dude...why not give them more love?[/quote]

Like I said. Like them or not you can't deny that they are a great football team. Sometimes I get sick and tired of all the crap about 'respect' and 'us' against the world. It gets old. But what I like is how they play on the field. I love how they game plan. I love how they know the other teams weakness and exploit it. All that other crap doesn't mean shit to me. It's what they do on the field.

It will be interesting to see how we attack the Giants this week. Are we going to come out and try and run first ? Which will be the wrong thing to do. Or are we going to open it up a little bit? Take the training wheels off JC. The Giants are so bad in the secondary and their LB's can not cover my Mother. If the focus isn't on Santana and Cooley then that's shitty game planning. This is why I like the Pats. They really know how to gameplan and that's the shit I like.

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[quote=hooskins;355007]It doesn't affect the outcome? Are you serious? Then why spend time and money doing something that is obviously illegal in the NFL?

I love how people can even begin to claim that cheating doesn't give an unfair advantage. It just does, and its flatout wrong. Have you seen the video taken of the defensive signals? I don't think they are a bad team, but they cheated and what they did was wrong and messed up. Many people don't like them to begin with and this just adds to that. So like it or not, the Patriots are still cheaters(based on the rules and regulation of the NFL which they clearly knew).[/quote]

Yes I'm serious. The media is making way more than what it is. So what if there is video of defensive signals. Someone would have to know what the signals are, then quicky relay them to the offensive coordinator who would then have to call a play for that specific defense. All in the matter of 30 seconds? Trust me on this. It doesn't do shit as far as the outcome is concerned. But yes it is cheating and yes it's wrong.

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[QUOTE=jsarno;354993]Is anyone else sick of their dilusions about "it's the world against me" crap? First is was the disrespect thing, now the belicheat thing.

My basset hounds decided to make a statement! LOL.



LOLOLOLOL

YOU GOT THE VIDEO CLIP?

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[quote=skinsfan69;355091]Yes I'm serious. The media is making way more than what it is. So what if there is video of defensive signals. Someone would have to know what the signals are, then quicky relay them to the offensive coordinator who would then have to call a play for that specific defense. All in the matter of 30 seconds? Trust me on this. It doesn't do shit as far as the outcome is concerned. But yes it is cheating and yes it's wrong.[/quote]

Well they also have claimed that the Pats look at those signals during the first half and let the team know during halftime. And that could possibly impact the 2nd half of the game. The Pats have won many games in the 2nd half and with miracle comebacks as well. Cheating on a play or two could determine the game in the NFL. I am not saying thats what they did every game in the past, but it is a possibility.

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[quote=jsarno;355056]LOL...I stepped up to the plate for the sake of a great picture!

Not to get too technical, but out here the sun bakes everything extremely quickly. The poo gets very dry in a matter of hours after it is pooed. It was easy to pick it up with the patriot shirt and pose it for the picture.[/quote]

Ok guys really....how much LOWER can this conversation go?

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[quote=sandtrapjack;355103]Ok guys really....how much LOWER can this conversation go?[/quote]

After we beat the Cowboys? :)

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[quote=skinsfan69;355091]Yes I'm serious. The media is making way more than what it is. So what if there is video of defensive signals. Someone would have to know what the signals are, then quicky relay them to the offensive coordinator who would then have to call a play for that specific defense. All in the matter of 30 seconds? Trust me on this. It doesn't do shit as far as the outcome is concerned. But yes it is cheating and yes it's wrong.[/quote]

you are clueless... you say it doesnt do shit, but you dont know shit... i guess it doesnt help them at all so they are doing it for fun. come on man, your second favorite team, you are telling me that matching up there defensive signals with the plays on the field will not help you game plan in the future. so you like thier game planning, well at least part of it is from illegally obtained info. this teams character is shit. these guys cheat and are extremely arrogant when they win...i bet you like that too dont you. if it quaks like a duck, walks like a duck, looks like a duck, its a fucking duck. these guys talk like dicks, act like arrogant punks, look like cheaters, they are pieces of shit from thier coaching staff on down....jump ship, dont stick up for them, they suck and leave it at that.....or even look at the thread again and see that this is a i hate the pats board donkey.

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[quote=sandtrapjack;355103]Ok guys really....how much LOWER can this conversation go?[/quote]


Believe me when I tell you, I've seen conversation sink much lower than this one...and on a similiar topic.

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I'm with Skinsfan69 on this...sort of. Knowing the defensive signals certainly helped but you still have to be able to execute against it. And I don't think they knew any signals when Ellis Hobbs returned the kickoff 108 yards for a touchdown in week one, or when Ty Law had the INT for a TD in the Super Bowl against the Rams, or when Vinatieri kicked two game-winning Super Bowl field goals. True, you can maybe argue that because they knew the signals the offense was able to march downfield to get in field goal position, (if they were indeed videotaping back then) but AV still has to hit those field goals and they weren't gimmes.

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[QUOTE=holcknowsbest;355132]you are clueless... you say it doesnt do shit, but you dont know shit... i guess it doesnt help them at all so they are doing it for fun. come on man, your second favorite team, you are telling me that matching up there defensive signals with the plays on the field will not help you game plan in the future. so you like thier game planning, well at least part of it is from illegally obtained info. this teams character is shit. these guys cheat and are extremely arrogant when they win...i bet you like that too dont you. if it quaks like a duck, walks like a duck, looks like a duck, its a fucking duck. these guys talk like dicks, act like arrogant punks, look like cheaters, they are pieces of shit from thier coaching staff on down....jump ship, dont stick up for them, they suck and leave it at that.....or even look at the thread again and see that this is a i hate the pats board donkey.[/QUOTE]

Donkey?

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[QUOTE=mheisig;355081]Did you use gloves, a bag or some sort of barrier?[/QUOTE]

Yes:
[i]It was easy to [b]pick it up with the patriot shirt[/b] and pose it for the picture.[/i]

I used the shirt.

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;355084]Like I said. Like them or not you can't deny that they are a great football team. Sometimes I get sick and tired of all the crap about 'respect' and 'us' against the world. It gets old. But what I like is how they play on the field. I love how they game plan. [b]I love how they know the other teams weakness and exploit it.[/b] All that other crap doesn't mean shit to me. It's what they do on the field.

It will be interesting to see how we attack the Giants this week. Are we going to come out and try and run first ? Which will be the wrong thing to do. Or are we going to open it up a little bit? Take the training wheels off JC. The Giants are so bad in the secondary and their LB's can not cover my Mother. If the focus isn't on Santana and Cooley then that's shitty game planning. This is why I like the Pats. They really know how to gameplan and that's the shit I like.[/QUOTE]

While I do agree with you, I need to point out the fact that we will never know how deep this cheating scandal has gone. They just happen to have their best team ever right now. So if they lose with their best team ever, then I feel they cheated to get their so called "dynasty".

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;355135]I'm with Skinsfan69 on this...sort of. Knowing the defensive signals certainly helped but you still have to be able to execute against it. And I don't think they knew any signals when Ellis Hobbs returned the kickoff 108 yards for a touchdown in week one, or when Ty Law had the INT for a TD in the Super Bowl against the Rams, or when Vinatieri kicked two game-winning Super Bowl field goals. True, you can maybe argue that because they knew the signals the offense was able to march downfield to get in field goal position, (if they were indeed videotaping back then) but AV still has to hit those field goals and they weren't gimmes.[/QUOTE]

No one is arguing what they did hit...they are arguing how they got there. Even just 2 or 3 pivotal plays means a lot in football, and I'm sure they used their info a lot more than just 2 or 3 plays. How many times did the Pats "mysteriously" stop the best offense in the league in that Rams super bowl? Again, we'll never know, but it answers a lot of questions if you ask me.

This conversation boils down to one question:
If it didn't help them, if they didn't use it to cheat, then why do it all?
(nuff said)

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[QUOTE=jsarno;355141]Yes:
[i]It was easy to [b]pick it up with the patriot shirt[/b] and pose it for the picture.[/i]

I used the shirt.[/QUOTE]

Ah, my mistake. I got distracted amidst all the poo talk.

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[quote=holcknowsbest;355132]you are clueless... you say it doesnt do shit, but you dont know shit... i guess it doesnt help them at all so they are doing it for fun. come on man, your second favorite team, you are telling me that matching up there defensive signals with the plays on the field will not help you game plan in the future. so you like thier game planning, well at least part of it is from illegally obtained info. this teams character is shit. these guys cheat and are extremely arrogant when they win...i bet you like that too dont you. if it quaks like a duck, walks like a duck, looks like a duck, its a fucking duck. these guys talk like dicks, act like arrogant punks, look like cheaters, they are pieces of shit from thier coaching staff on down....jump ship, dont stick up for them, they suck and leave it at that.....or even look at the thread again and see that this is a i hate the pats board donkey.[/quote]

I don't know shit?? You don't know shit!!!! So I guess the reason Tom Brady rips apart defenses with pin point accuracy is beacuse they steal defensive signals????? ARE YOU KIDDING ME????? C'mon dude. Let me ask you this Mr. Football expert. Why is it that year in and year out they are a top ten scoring defense? Why is it that they killed SD without Seymour and Harrison? Why is it that they win a Super Bowl with 2nd string guys in the 2ndary? They win a Super Bowl with Troy Brown playing defensive back. You think they do all that because they steal signals? Your comments are simply childish and it shows your football IQ is 0. I just respect good football. It doesn't matter who the team is.

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[quote=jsarno;355147]No one is arguing what they did hit...they are arguing how they got there. Even just 2 or 3 pivotal plays means a lot in football, and I'm sure they used their info a lot more than just 2 or 3 plays. How many times did the Pats "mysteriously" stop the best offense in the league in that Rams super bowl? Again, we'll never know, but it answers a lot of questions if you ask me.

This conversation boils down to one question:
If it didn't help them, if they didn't use it to cheat, then why do it all?
(nuff said)[/quote]

See this is what pisses me off. The reason they stoped the Rams is becacuse Mike Martz is a dumbass playcaller. He thinks his pass game is the best thing since sliced bread. The whole game NE played a soft zone with extra DB's. All he had to do was give to Faulk 35 times and run play action off of it and they would have won the game. But he kept calling pass plays, and the Rams WR's kept getting killed. Dumbest game plan I have ever seen.

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;355160]I don't know shit?? You don't know shit!!!! So I guess the reason Tom Brady rips apart defenses with pin point accuracy is beacuse they steal defensive signals????? ARE YOU KIDDING ME????? C'mon dude. Let me ask you this Mr. Football expert. Why is it that year in and year out they are a top ten scoring defense? Why is it that they killed SD without Seymour and Harrison? Why is it that they win a Super Bowl with 2nd string guys in the 2ndary? They win a Super Bowl with Troy Brown playing defensive back. You think they do all that because they steal signals? Your comments are simply childish and it shows your football IQ is 0. I just respect good football. It doesn't matter who the team is.[/QUOTE]

Oh my...let's take it easy.

You clearly missed my question.
If they weren't cheating, or trying to cheat, then why are they doing it?

That question is so good, it ends the conversation and should have everyone saying...damn you're right...they cheated.

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[quote=jsarno;355163]Oh my...let's take it easy.

You clearly missed my question.
If they weren't cheating, or trying to cheat, then why are they doing it?

That question is so good, it ends the conversation and should have everyone saying...damn you're right...they cheated.[/quote]

They cheated. 100%. But it does not affect the outcome.

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;355162]See this is what pisses me off. The reason they stoped the Rams is becacuse Mike Martz is a dumbass playcaller. He thinks his pass game is the best thing since sliced bread. The whole game NE played a soft zone with extra DB's. All he had to do was give to Faulk 35 times and run play action off of it and they would have won the game. But he kept calling pass plays, and the Rams WR's kept getting killed. Dumbest game plan I have ever seen.[/QUOTE]

You can't tell me it's not [i]possible[/b] that they cheated to beat the rams. I'm not saying they did...I'm just not dismissing the possibility they did.

When you get caught doing something as bad as they did, you're entire history and integrity and class comes in to question.
You don't have to like it, but it doesn't make it any more true.

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;355164]They cheated. 100%. But it does not affect the outcome.[/QUOTE]

LOL...WHAT? Do you mean it didn't affect the outcome of the Jets game? Cause that I think is true. But this was not their first time, and why cheat if you don't use the info?

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[quote=jsarno;355167]LOL...WHAT? Do you mean it didn't affect the outcome of the Jets game? Cause that I think is true. But this was not their first time, and why cheat if you don't use the info?[/quote]

Hell no it didn't affect the Jets game. They just abused the Jets. Like SmootSmack said Jets allowed a 108 yard kickoff return. That is pathetic.

I look at it this way. Since Mangini coached under BB it seems to me they should be either changing the signals, or have multiple people giving signals. There are ways to get around that and it's common sense to do it that way since they are running the same defense as the Pats. So if you ask me Mangini is a dumbass for getting had. Football 101.

I think the reason why NE did this is because Mangini has tried to hire coaches from the Pats and he tried to grab Deion Branch. I think there is an unwritten rule that you leave alone the place where you just left if you become a head coach. I'm not saying it's right but that could be the reason behind it.

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This kind of talk is for losers. In other words it sounds like fans that root for a constantly losing team. "Let's hate them because..."
Sorry but it sounds like a bunch of school girls.
The Pats won three SB's and might win more because they have good players, good coaches and the play smart. Even if you know the play you still have to execute.
In the hey day of the Hogs, we only had three or four running plays. The other team knew what we were going to do and we did it anyway...and kicked ass.
You are really reaching by saying this signal stealing led to victories.
Teams will change the way they send in calls. It is a non-factor now.
End of story.
Don't hate because a team is better than almost everyone else for many years. Regardless of what dicks they might be.