What is wrong with Santana Moss? (merged)
 

He just has not been himself this year, and he is single handedly killing us today vs the Packers.
I have ran to defend Moss on several occasions, but this is getting bad.

What is wrong with him? Missing balls when he's wide open, fumbling, not running crisp routes (which is likely an injury issue). He's supposed to be our go to guy, and he's not reliable so far this year.

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evidently, the hamstring muscle is connected to his hands

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I guess the same can be said about Portis.

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They all look like they're going through the motions, maybe this is what you get when people join the team for paychecks rather than wins.

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[quote=memphisskin;364095]They all look like they're going through the motions, maybe this is what you get when people join the team for paychecks rather than wins.[/quote]

classic redskins...makes me wanna cry...

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Let's not cut Moss from the team just yet. Yes, he screwed up today and played like crap. But so did Portis and Randle El. Not to mention the fact that we now have no offensive line.

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Well, I was going to start a thread about Santana Moss, because this is getting absurd.

It's high time people start calling him out. He's actually been on the decline since the 2005 season. With Campbell getting more experience his numbers should be [I]increasing[/I] not decreasing. And the dropped balls haven't been a problem until now.

And Portis? The tendonitis must really be hurting, because he hasn't gotten on track yet and the season is 5 games old. Now, fumbling is becoming a problem.

These two guys should be our most valuable offensive weapons, and instead they're costing us games.

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This thread isn't about Portis...While portis has not been what we are accustomed, he has not performed poorly this year like Moss has.
Moss is supposed to be our #1 guy...the guy we can rely on, and where has he been?

He is too good for this.

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[QUOTE=skinsguy;364108]Let's not cut Moss from the team just yet. Yes, he screwed up today and played like crap. But so did Portis and Randle El. Not to mention the fact that we now have no offensive line.[/QUOTE]


No one is suggesting that Santana Moss should be cut. Why is it when guys start getting called out, (when it's been long overdue) that translates into people thinking he should be cut?

It's not just today -- Moss has been lackluster all year. The fact that the offensive line has suffered injuries has nothing to do with Moss's dropped balls and fumbling.

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He cost us this game.

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[QUOTE=Beemnseven;364125]No one is suggesting that Santana Moss should be cut. [B]Why is it when guys start getting called out, (when it's been long overdue) that translates into people thinking he should be cut?[/B]

It's not just today -- Moss has been lackluster all year. The fact that the offensive line has suffered injuries has nothing to do with Moss's dropped balls and fumbling.[/QUOTE]

Because most of the time it does and it will before the day is over with.

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Moss was a piece of shit today. I like that Joe benched him at the end of the game in favor of McCardell. 6 or 7 drop balls is way too many from this receiving corp. Brandon Lloyd could have caught that ball for a TD. Yes, it was difficult but doesn't he pride himself on the spectacular catch? This is now TWO games that we have given away. Realistically we could be 5-0. sucks

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Moss owes his game paycheck to Campbell and Cooley, the only two guys on the offense who stepped up today.

I suppose we're all entitled to an "off day," but for crying out loud it's like he left his brain in D.C. today.

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[QUOTE=skinsguy;364151]Because most of the time it does and it will before the day is over with.[/QUOTE]

Nobody said anything about cutting Santana Moss until you did.

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I think I am going to take a different approach to this. Moss owes us a big game. Let's forget about this and move on to the Cardinals. I'm not going to join in with the whining.

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I love Santana, and he will bounce back, but he definitely beat us today.

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[QUOTE=Beemnseven;364161]Nobody said anything about cutting Santana Moss until you did.[/QUOTE]

Why don't you go cool off, have a cold one or two and stop arguing with me. I don't feel like arguing and playing the crying game with you.

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[quote=skinsguy;364172]Why don't you go cool off, have a cold one or two and stop arguing with me. I don't feel like arguing and playing [B]the crying game[/B] with you.[/quote]

Haha. That's a good movie.

Let's keep it cool gentlemen. This is a safe place. We're all friends here. :grouphug:

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[QUOTE=skinsguy;364172]Why don't you go cool off, have a cold one or two and stop arguing with me. I don't feel like arguing and playing the crying game with you.[/QUOTE]

This is what I find slightly irritating:

Person A: "Man, Player X really had a bad game today. I wonder what his problem is?"

Person B: "Hey, let's not cut the guy just because he had a bad game."

To criticize a player for a bad game does not automatically mean that person thinks he should cut.

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[QUOTE=skinsguy;364167]I think I am going to take a different approach to this. Moss owes us a big game. Let's forget about this and move on to the Cardinals. I'm not going to join in with the whining.[/QUOTE]

I agree he does.
He owes us more than one though. He should hang his head for today, then get REALLY pissed and work in practice. Maybe that's why he's doing so poorly, he's missed a TON of practices this season with his injuries.

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OK...this is going to get ugly if people keep thinking Moss should be cut. There is no way on God's green earth he should be cut, and I guarentee if he is cut (won't be, but follow me) then 31 teams will line up to sign him even after today's game.

So let's move forward and try to figure out what exactly is wrong with him. He's a completely different player this year.

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it has to be something, whether it's psychological or physical, he is not the same player so far in 07.

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He just killed us today. You hate to say one play cost you a game but his fumble pretty much did us in.

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We're not gonna cut him, we'd at least trade him and get something for him lol. Either way that's not happening so w/e.

The fact of the matter is something is wrong with him. The drops are a mental aspect of the game, which suggests that he's not "on" mentally as far as I'm concerned. He's not playing like old, and that means that the injuries are probably still lingering. What I would do is just let him sit next week, let him get back into the right frame of mind, and when he thinks he can contribute and stop making negative plays it will be time to let him back on the field. If he continues playing like this he's only gonna hurt us some more, and we can't have that.

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Oh he definitely isn't getting cut... But he definitely cost us this game. BIG TIME. He didn't seem like he even gave a crap about it either.

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He pretty much singlehandedly lost this game. And it's not easy to lose the game from the WR position. He was the perfect storm today. Everthing he could do wrong he did do wrong.

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Maybe it's missing so much practice time with injuries? I know we have various that are not practicing so they can be fresh for Sunday, but then they have mental lapses.

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[QUOTE=jsarno;364197]I agree he does.
He owes us more than one though. He should hang his head for today, then get REALLY pissed and work in practice. Maybe that's why he's doing so poorly, he's missed a TON of practices this season with his injuries.[/QUOTE]

that's EXACTLY what's wrong with him....he'll work hard to make up for it..and he'll bounce back

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[QUOTE=BleedBurgundy;364245]Maybe it's missing so much practice time with injuries? I know we have various that are not practicing so they can be fresh for Sunday, but then they have mental lapses.[/QUOTE]

What? Stealing my comments now??? LOL

[i]Maybe that's why he's doing so poorly, he's missed a TON of practices this season with his injuries.[/i]

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[quote=jsarno;364197]I agree he does.
He owes us more than one though. He should hang his head for today, then get REALLY pissed and work in practice. Maybe that's why he's doing so poorly, he's missed a TON of practices this season with his injuries.[/quote]

Fox 5 interviewed him (off camera) and the reported said that he solely blames himself for the loss. They said he was very solemn and measured in how he spoke to the reporter and said that no one else is responsible for the loss more than him and that if it wasn't for his fumble, the Skins instead of GB woulda scored 7 points.

Guy's taking it pretty hard apparently.

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[quote=DynamiteRave;364253]Fox 5 interviewed him (off camera) and the reported said that he solely blames himself for the loss. They said he was very solemn and measured in how he spoke to the reporter and said that no one else is responsible for the loss more than him and that if it wasn't for his fumble, the Skins instead of GB woulda scored 7 points.

Guy's taking it pretty hard apparently.[/quote]

...good, he really screwed us...aside from tackling Jason Campbell himself, how could he have played any worse

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I don't know if it was because of a wet field, wet ball, or what, but everyone was sliping and dropping balls like all of Lambeau was covered in Vaseline! Moss had a bad game, but everyone played bad except for Campbell. Campbell's Int was Moss's fault and 6 or 7 dropped passes were the cause of drives not being continued. We had this game and let it get away. Just sad, because the Packers did not beat us, we beat ourselves.

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There was a lot wrong with the offense today. Moss was the biggest problem, but the blocking is pretty pathetic. Campbell's accuracy is also really irritating. We're pathetic on third and short.

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[quote=GTripp0012;364262] We're pathetic on third and short.[/quote]


Amen. It's hard to watch. The oline is a mess. I think that is the biggest factor. Qb inexperience and bad playcalling are tied for second.

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I'm serious, the only way this team ever converts a third down is to be in like third and ten, and have Campbell hit Randle El or Cooley.

We can blame plenty of people. The playcalling hasn't been especially helpful. Campbell can't hit open guys. The line can't open up holes. It's bad.

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I thought Campbell played a pretty good game today...and where was the playcalling lacking?

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[quote=AlvinWalton'sNeckBrace;364274]I thought Campbell played a pretty good game today...and where was the playcalling lacking?[/quote]3rd and short situations. Just run the ball between the tackles. OR, go playaction and try for the big play.

Don't try to throw quick outs in the rain or run tosses. Seriously, wtf?

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if you add all of the drops to campbell's numbers he had 27 completions....that is good enough to win. He woulda had well over 300 yards....we would have F***ing crushed these guys....we completely shut down a hall of fame QB and greg williams was AWESOME joe bugle needs to crap down the offense's throats....the O-line did great for how many injuries we had.

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Man I really really really want to give Santana the benifit of the doubt...but the guy hasent played well all season. He has made a couple of nice catches but overall, he just isnt the player he has been the past couple years up to this point.

I mean Moss is one of my favorite players, hell his was the jersey I choose to wear for the game today....but man I've never seen one single player cost us a game the way he did today. Two plays just stick out to me, the fumble (obviously)...and when he had the chance to turn things around and make a big play with that catch, he drops it. That is a minimum of 3 points for us and ties us at 17......I really hope he has a good game next week because he's a guy I really like cheering for, but damn he needs to pick it up

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moss was responsible for at least a 17 point swing......that is incredible