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Jansen, Thomas, Wade, Rabach, Heyer, Lefotu from practice squad arrested. What the FUCK!! This is unbelivable.

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So much for running the ball. If we have no offensive line, we can't run the ball and Campbell is going to be chased all day long. I will be curious to see what Buges is going to do to put our offensive line back together.

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hopefully Wade and Rabach will be back for the cards

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Yeah...this is not looking for for us. Better get Jansen out there with crutches, at least then we'll have a warm body on the field.

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[QUOTE=AlvinWalton'sNeckBrace;364124]hopefully Wade and Rabach will be back for the cards[/QUOTE]

You said it...we're in for a long rest of the season if this line doesn't get healthy, or play over their heads.

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Conditioning coaches need to feel some heat this week. They suck.

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This has NOTHING to do with Moss's dropped balls and Portis fumbling.

Let's not blame the offensive line for this loss.

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[QUOTE=wilsowilso;364133]Conditioning coaches need to feel some heat this week. They suck.[/QUOTE]

Poor weather had a lot to do with it, and the other injuries we've had have been flukes. Nothing the conditioning coaches could have done.

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the redskins are cursed

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[QUOTE=Beemnseven;364136]This has NOTHING to do with Moss's dropped balls and Portis fumbling.

Let's not blame the offensive line for this loss.[/QUOTE]

No one has said that on this thread (yet anyway)...the title of this thread is "decimated offensive line" and it is.

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well....next week we're at home, against a very VERY VERY beatable team...considering what follows that game, our season hinges on this next game...Rabach and Wade need to play

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The offensive line didn't cost us this game, the WRs and Portis (to a lesser extent) cost us the game.

However, the offensive line is shaping up to cost us this entire season. WRs dropping the ball, poor routes, fumbling - these seem like things that can be fixed with practice and coaching. You can't just go out and hire an entirely new offensive line. Campbell seemed to be scrambling more and more as the game went on and we lost Rabach and then Heyer. He was flat out under duress the last few series.

Basically we're screwed unless some of these backups seriously step up and Bugle manages to pull an ace out of his sleeve.

Offensive line collapses = season over.

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[QUOTE=Beemnseven;364136]This has NOTHING to do with Moss's dropped balls and Portis fumbling.

Let's not blame the offensive line for this loss.[/QUOTE]

No one is blaming the loss on the offensive line. Geez....:doh:

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Well, we have a thousand excuses, and a thread for each one. Was it the conditioning coaches? The injured offensive line? Santana Moss? How bout, when everything needs to go wrong in order for this team to lose, they will find a way to ensure that everything goes wrong. This is the type of B.S. we used to see with Norv on the sideline. I love Gibbs to death, but this is loss is on him. This was a charicteristically mental collapse from a weak team that will always find a way to lose these games. This team does not have a winning mentality, it does not have a killer instinct. It is consistently momentum's bitch, and is entirely unable to pick itself up off the canvas when it's down. A loss like this is nothing short of pathetic.

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[QUOTE=Coff;364181]Well, we have a thousand excuses, and a thread for each one. Was it the conditioning coaches? The injured offensive line? Santana Moss? How bout, when everything needs to go wrong in order for this team to lose, they will find a way to ensure that everything goes wrong. This is the type of B.S. we used to see with Norv on the sideline. I love Gibbs to death, but this is loss is on him. This was a charicteristically mental collapse from a weak team that will always find a way to lose these games. This team does not have a winning mentality, it does not have a killer instinct. It is consistently momentum's bitch, and is entirely unable to pick itself up off the canvas when it's down. A loss like this is nothing short of pathetic.[/QUOTE]

Your kidding right... we are already playing with a replacement RT but RG and a lG we broughts in weeks before the season and now the C and RT go down again?

How are these injuries on Gibbs?

Yep we could and should have won this disapointing but hell it happens...we were 5-11 did you really think we were never going to lose again ?

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What's happening to our O-line this year is indicative of just how fortunate we've been the last couple years in that area. Unfortunately, injuries are a part of the game, and the reason why depth is so important. Today we had multiple things go bad, contrary to last week. When we lose there's always someone or something waiting to take the blame, so if we want to play the blame game, there was enough to go around today.

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Because so many things did go wrong that could go wrong, I'm not going to get excited about any particular facet that didn't perform to adequate expectations. It sucks that the o-line guys got injured. Right now let's wait and see the injury prognosis of Rabach and Wade before we worry our heads off.

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[quote=724Skinsfan;364263]Because so many things did go wrong that could go wrong, I'm not going to get excited about any particular facet that didn't perform to adequate expectations. It sucks that the o-line guys got injured. Right now let's wait and see the injury prognosis of Rabach and Wade before we worry our heads off.[/quote]

Comcast Redskins post game says Rabach was feeling pretty good and so was Wade after the game. They were both walking around and moving around pretty well.

Heyer on the other hand had to be carted off and his injury seems far more serious.

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I think we will need to make some sort of roster move if Heyer is out for an extended period of time. I don't know what's out there, but we are going to need some bodies at the rate this thing is going with the injuries! Alexander (DT) would have had to play RT at the end of the game if Wade didn't come back.

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if anyone can do it...it's bugle...the guy is awesome

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does anyone know if Heyers injury was updated and when and what for, did Lefotu get arrested.

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Maybe Ray Brown will come back

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If Wade and Rabach just have strains and can play then we'll be okay. But we need to have our depth players READY to go at a moments notice. I am feeling so friggin discouraged right now.

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[QUOTE=GMScud;364446]If Wade and Rabach just have strains and can play then we'll be okay. But we need to have our depth players READY to go at a moments notice. I am feeling so friggin discouraged right now.[/QUOTE]

I can't think of a single team more hurt than we are right now.

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Yesterday boiled down to dropped passes and turnovers, but it certainly didn't help matters to have a very banged up OL. We couldn't even get off a pass at the end. :doh:

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[quote=Longtimefan;364259]What's happening to our O-line this year is indicative of just how fortunate we've been the last couple years in that area. Unfortunately, injuries are a part of the game, and the reason why depth is so important. Today we had multiple things go bad, contrary to last week. When we lose there's always someone or something waiting to take the blame, so if we want to play the blame game, there was enough to go around today.[/quote]

Injuries are a part of the game, sure, but this level is not common. Saying the line was decimated is generous (implying ten percent loss if you take it literally), we need a new word to describe the injuries on the line.

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[quote=Coff;364181]Well, we have a thousand excuses, and a thread for each one. Was it the conditioning coaches? The injured offensive line? Santana Moss? How bout, when everything needs to go wrong in order for this team to lose, they will find a way to ensure that everything goes wrong. This is the type of B.S. we used to see with Norv on the sideline. I love Gibbs to death, but this is loss is on him. This was a charicteristically mental collapse from a weak team that will always find a way to lose these games. This team does not have a winning mentality, it does not have a killer instinct. It is consistently momentum's bitch, and is entirely unable to pick itself up off the canvas when it's down. A loss like this is nothing short of pathetic.[/quote]

I'll blame Gibbs when appropriate, but this isn't one of them. The players have to catch the ball and hold onto the ball. If Moss catches that long pass and doesn't fumble we would have won the game. Gibbs can't make that catch for him!!

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JLC said on this blog today that there is tension brewing between Saunders & GW, implied that the defensive staff isn't too happy w/AS's calls. We can't afford to have that now w/the injuries to the o line.

IF this team can weather these injuries & at least go .500 till December, Thomas might be back and able to play. That could be a serious boost to the O.

In the meantime, I bet the phones are ringing off the hook around the nfl. Its doubtful that anybody decent is available but I'm sure they're looking.
Heyer's got a pulled hamstring. Don't know how long that would sideline him, but if its something that would cause him to miss a few games, I wouldn't be surprised if they put him on IR & sign somebody.

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This is an issue that goes way beyond what happens between the goal posts. At this point, with the magnitude of injuries, this could cause some serious problems tweaking the 53-man to make sure we're okay. Given the injuries and how much we rely on a power running game, coupled with how badly our WR's have played, I don't think it's a stretch to say we are in deep shit folks. If Rabach, Wade, and Heyer all end up missing games, I'm expecting nothing better than an 8-8 season. Remember, before this game even started we were limited to only running left. Now what? It's such a shame considering our defense looks to be at the top of the heap.

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After reading JLC's redskins insider, sounds like the injuries are as follows:
Wade was walking fine and says his injury is a day-to-day type thing- may pracitce later in the week and expects to play Sunday.
Heyer also sounds like he was walking fine but wasn't sure when he'd be able to practice. Said he had a hammy pull, which is worse than a strain.
Rabach (gulp) was shuffling along rather than walking, and said he didn't yet know the severity of the injury. That groin better not be torn damn it.

This season had and still could have so much promise. But this rash of injuries on the O-line and the fact that starting week 8 we play 4 outta 5 on the road....

I'm extremely concerned. And pretty upset to be honest. I love this team so damn much...

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[quote=redsk1;364534]I'll blame Gibbs when appropriate, but this isn't one of them. The players have to catch the ball and hold onto the ball. If Moss catches that long pass and doesn't fumble we would have won the game. Gibbs can't make that catch for him!![/quote]


I know what you're saying; there is only so much a coach can do, and some things he just can't be held responsible for. However, it can be argued that the primary role of a head coach is to mentally prepare his players, especially when the coach is neither the offensive or defensive coordinator. This team was not mentally prepared in the second half of this game, nor was it in the second half of the NYG game. They appear to be mentally weak, and this frailty has plagued us for years. I'm just not sure that this coaching staff instills the mental toughness that a unit needs to be successful. Granted, this is all conjecture of the most subjective nature, but watching a team collapse, and to do so consistently and predictably, leaves one questioning those whose charge it is to prevent such collapse.

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[QUOTE=Coff;364912]I know what you're saying; there is only so much a coach can do, and some things he just can't be held responsible for. However, it can be argued that the primary role of a head coach is to mentally prepare his players, especially when the coach is neither the offensive or defensive coordinator. This team was not mentally prepared in the second half of this game, nor was it in the second half of the NYG game. They appear to be mentally weak, and this frailty has plagued us for years. I'm just not sure that this coaching staff instills the mental toughness that a unit needs to be successful. Granted, this is all conjecture of the most subjective nature, but watching a team collapse, and to do so consistently and predictably, leaves one questioning those whose charge it is to prevent such collapse.[/QUOTE]

But when do coaches need a psychology degree to coach? While I agree that coaches need to have their teams physically and mentally prepared, it is also up to the players to adhere to the coach and play team football. This may mean staying after practice with the QB and putting in some extra work. Not all of our guys are willing to do that. If the players are there for the prestige and money mostly, all the psychology in the world won't work on them. This is what is happening to present day atheltes.

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Cards Shmards, we have 2 away games withthe AFC East coming up. We might have no O line after that two game road trip!!!

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[quote=Coff;364912]I know what you're saying; there is only so much a coach can do, and some things he just can't be held responsible for. However, it can be argued that the primary role of a head coach is to mentally prepare his players, especially when the coach is neither the offensive or defensive coordinator. This team was not mentally prepared in the second half of this game, nor was it in the second half of the NYG game. They appear to be mentally weak, and this frailty has plagued us for years. I'm just not sure that this coaching staff instills the mental toughness that a unit needs to be successful. Granted, this is all conjecture of the most subjective nature, but watching a team collapse, and to do so consistently and predictably, leaves one questioning those whose charge it is to prevent such collapse.[/quote]

Gibbs isn't to blame, the play calling was pretty good, just dropped passes and that fumble for the TD killed us. Our O line is toast though. I mean my god they said they had to bring in a D lineman out there on the last play. If we can't get at least 2 guys back soon our season is toast!!!!

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[quote=skinsguy;364920]But when do coaches need a psychology degree to coach? While I agree that coaches need to have their teams physically and mentally prepared, it is also up to the players to adhere to the coach and play team football. This may mean staying after practice with the QB and putting in some extra work. Not all of our guys are willing to do that. If the players are there for the prestige and money mostly, all the psychology in the world won't work on them. This is what is happening to present day atheltes.[/quote]


But if it is happening to all present day athletes, why is it more of a problem for the Redskins than for most other teams? Why are the Redskins the team to breakdown, lose concentration, collapse, and come out on the losing end of games like Sunday's, or the game agains the Giants? Like I've said, such collapses have plagued us for years, and have plagued us much more than they have plagued other teams, so the fact that all athletes today "are there for the prestige and money" does not explain why they are disproportionately playing for the Redskins.

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[QUOTE=Coff;365067]But if it is happening to all present day athletes, why is it more of a problem for the Redskins than for most other teams? Why are the Redskins the team to breakdown, lose concentration, collapse, and come out on the losing end of games like Sunday's, or the game agains the Giants? Like I've said, such collapses have plagued us for years, and have plagued us much more than they have plagued other teams, so the fact that all athletes today "are there for the prestige and money" does not explain why they are disproportionately playing for the Redskins.[/QUOTE]

But is it happening more so to the Redskins, or is it that as fans of the team we're much more critical of their every move compared to say what the Lions do. I'm aware of the "2nd Half Collapse" stat, but what about those teams that never lead at any point. Those teams "collapse" before the game even begins.

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I'm really concerned about the current state of the O-line. Our offense has been struggling at best, and with the line in such flux it's going to be difficult to maintain any offensive continuity. Teams have already taken notice of the fact we no longer run to the right, and have taken steps to take advantage.

I'm mostly concerned with how it's going to affect the continued maturation process of our young QB. It's not going to be good if we continue having difficulty running the ball, or that he has to scramble for his life while trying to pass. It's imperative that we have success up front because nothing else on offense works if we dont.

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[quote=skinsguy;364122]So much for running the ball. If we have no offensive line, we can't run the ball and Campbell is going to be chased all day long. I will be curious to see what Buges is going to do to put our offensive line back together.[/quote]We aren't going to stop running the ball altoghether.

With a good, efficient passing game, we can make up for unsuccessful runs. You want to run enough to keep the D on their heels, but we still want the ball in JC's hands as often as possible.

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[quote=Coff;365067]But if it is happening to all present day athletes, why is it more of a problem for the Redskins than for most other teams? Why are the Redskins the team to breakdown, lose concentration, collapse, and come out on the losing end of games like Sunday's, or the game agains the Giants? Like I've said, such collapses have plagued us for years, and have plagued us much more than they have plagued other teams, so the fact that all athletes today "are there for the prestige and money" does not explain why they are disproportionately playing for the Redskins.[/quote]But are they breaking down, losing concentration, etc or are they just getting outplayed?

If they are breaking down, why did we only lose to the Giants by 7 points, and to the Pack by 3 points? Shouldn't it have gotten ugly?

Thing is, there wasn't (and isn't) anything at issue with the psyche of this team. The Giants played really good football in the second half. Just give them credit and move on.

The Redskins did not play good football in the second half of the Packers game. It was the first time in three weeks this team had struggled. Why all the concern? Why must we expect it to happen again?

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[QUOTE=Coff;365067]But if it is happening to all present day athletes, why is it more of a problem for the Redskins than for most other teams? Why are the Redskins the team to breakdown, lose concentration, collapse, and come out on the losing end of games like Sunday's, or the game agains the Giants? Like I've said, such collapses have plagued us for years, and have plagued us much more than they have plagued other teams, so the fact that all athletes today "are there for the prestige and money" does not explain why they are disproportionately playing for the Redskins.[/QUOTE]

It seems like it is happening more to the Redskins because we, as fans, keep up with the Redskins more than the other teams in the league. This is happening all over the league, not just with the Redskins. Why do the Cardinals lose year in and year out? Why do the Lions fail to reach expectations year in and year out? Believe me, this isn't an exclusive problem the redskins have. One thing that curves this problem is winning. The problem is, you have to have enough key players to put the work in that it takes to turn a losing team into a winning team. It takes more than just the scheduled practice. It takes 110% effort and then some more. That is what it is going to take for this team to become a team like the Colts or the Patriots. It's not just something that the coaches can wave their magic wand and fix. The players are going to have to be willing to do whatever it takes to take that next step.

I think we have the players on this team who are willing to take that next step, but we need all of our key players to do the same.