It's only one game, get over it
 

Before you all get excited about how bad we got wup, here are few things to look at.

We played without:

Rock Cartwright- He's been giving great field position thru out the season it hurt not have him

Smoot- That was a surprise him not playing, hurt again

Rogers-Bad injury, might be gone for the season

McIntosh- Played about a 1/2 and was hurt, bad stinger

Jansen- We know about him

Thomas- same as Jansen

That's a lot of key players missing that make a difference in this game. So get over it and hope they get healthy or we are truly FUCKED!!!!

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i think you can argue that we might be the most affected by injuries thus far this season. it's sucks but that's football.

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Injuries weren't the issue today, we got demolished by the best team in the league. No shame in that. We just need to pick up the pieces and get a 'W' next week against the Jets.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;370116]Before you all get excited about how bad we got wup, here are few things to look at.

We played without:

Rock Cartwright- He's been giving great field position thru out the season it hurt not have him

Smoot- That was a surprise him not playing, hurt again

Rogers-Bad injury, might be gone for the season

McIntosh- Played about a 1/2 and was hurt, bad stinger

Jansen- We know about him

Thomas- same as Jansen

That's a lot of key players missing that make a difference in this game. So get over it and hope they get healthy or we are truly FUCKED!!!![/quote]

If I hear one more person cry about injuries I'm going to puke. Nobody cares!

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;370142]Injuries weren't the issue today, we got demolished by the best team in the league. No shame in that. We just need to pick up the pieces and get a 'W' next week against the Jets.[/QUOTE]
Not having Smoot, Rogers, Cartwright and McIntosh, definitely changes things. Regardless, we still got our asses kicked!!!

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Burn the film, move along. This looked like a tough game right when the schedule was made. It was worse than we feared, but that's that.

Go up to NY and get a W. That's the only way to take the sting out of this. And we'll see what kind of mettle our team has--does it fire them up or bring them down? We're in a dogfight for a wildcard spot in a muddled NFC. Forget this one, and get the games you should.

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Rogers out for the season???? This year is offical worse for injuries then last year. UGH!!!!

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I'd rather have Smoot starting over Rogers anyway.

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Hmmmm...Smoot is injuried also.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;370171]I'd rather have Smoot starting over Rogers anyway.[/QUOTE]

If he wasn't hurt, maybe, but the last thing we need is another injury to a starter. It didn't look good, and if he's gone for any length of time then we're suddenly thin at another supposed position of strength.

Both Smoot and Rogers have shown they can drop interceptions this year with equal skill...

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;370171]I'd rather have Smoot starting over Rogers anyway.[/QUOTE]

Really? I like Smoot, but I love how physical Rogers usually is and he looks like he's gotten a lot better in coverage this year. I worry about Smoot's lack of durability, physicality, and coverage skills. Don't get me wrong, I like Smoot, but I'd be nervous starting him in place of Rogers.

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[quote=Mattyk72;370171]I'd rather have Smoot starting over Rogers anyway.[/quote]


Yeah, me too. Losing Rogers is no BFD, IMO.

Fabini is a big bag of poop.

What happened to the combination of Portis AND Betts. It's all Portis now and he's not running with much power, it seems to me.

Campbell holds the ball longer and longer every week.

Someone needs to remind Sellers that his main job is to block people. He's looked very average in that portion of his game lately.

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The thing is we need at least Smoot or Rogers. Smoot AND Rogers out is deadly.

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I am just going to hate to see what this game does to our defensive statistics.

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Someone said it's only one game. There's no shame in losing to arguably the best team in the league right now. If there is any shame it can only be the way we played. There's much football yet to be played, look to bounce back against the Jets on Sunday.

NE is a very good football team, and very well coached, hat's off to them.

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We need one of them healthy, at least. Agreed about Fabini--maybe it's time to give that other guy (forget his name) a try. The run game hasn't worked for either of our backs this year, and the reason, IMO is the O-line. Our best run guys were Thomas and Jansen, and both are out. Plus, and this matters, the Pats play a great run D--they keep the O-lineman from getting to the second level and let those LBs make plays. They beat us at the line on both sides of the ball today--as they have been doing to everyone. Move on and straighten out our own house.

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;370150]If I hear one more person cry about injuries I'm going to puke. Nobody cares![/QUOTE]

I started puking last month.:vomit:

That said, I just hope we win the games we should until Thomas gets back (early december hopefully). Does anyone else notice w/o him our rushing attack sucks (same in '05 too)?

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[quote=JWsleep;370159][B]Burn the film, move along.[/B] This looked like a tough game right when the schedule was made. It was worse than we feared, but that's that.

Go up to NY and get a W. That's the only way to take the sting out of this. And we'll see what kind of mettle our team has--does it fire them up or bring them down? We're in a dogfight for a wildcard spot in a muddled NFC. Forget this one, and get the games you should.[/quote]Best advice I've seen after this debacle.

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[QUOTE=JWsleep;370196]We need one of them healthy, at least. Agreed about Fabini--maybe it's time to give that other guy (forget his name) a try. The run game hasn't worked for either of our backs this year, and the reason, IMO is the O-line. Our best run guys were Thomas and Jansen, and both are out. Plus, and this matters, the Pats play a great run D--they keep the O-lineman from getting to the second level and let those LBs make plays. They beat us at the line on both sides of the ball today--as they have been doing to everyone. Move on and straighten out our own house.[/QUOTE]

Betts seemed to run better than Portis for the few carries he had today. CP still looks gimpy, I wish he or the coaching staff would just come out and say what is wrong. Starting to feel suspicious here.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;370142]Injuries weren't the issue today, we got demolished by the best team in the league. No shame in that. We just need to pick up the pieces and get a 'W' next week against the Jets.[/QUOTE]

I understand that it is one game but it is more of a "gut check" type of game. I live in the Philly area and rarely hear the interviews to Coach Gibbs or the players but today I heard Sonny ask Gibbs "fluff" questions after being disgraced. No one seemed angry except London Fletcher.

This absolutely has to be Gibbs last year unless we make the playoffs. His approach to the game, including the play calling is awful!
I used to like the Patriots but today's game showed how classless Bellicheck is! I hope the Colts win the AFC championship and go to the Superbowl.

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Fact is even after a win against the Jets next week, people will still be complaining

Either way, I'm making this thread title my new sig

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[QUOTE=Kmjskins;370203]This absolutely has to be Gibbs last year unless we make the playoffs.[/QUOTE]

I don't think so, he's a few players short, DE, WR, OL/OG. 1 more year to complete his contract, he's so close and Campbell will be 1 year wiser, makes a big difference.

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I am more dissappointed in the execution of Portis,and Jason Campbell than I am with anything else today. The turnovers gave up 17 points. And the defense still didn't allow a 100yd day for a runner or receiver. Jason has to learn from this game when it comes to protecting the ball. There is no way a QB fumbles the ball the same way without throwing it away.

Actually winning against the Jets means nothing against a 1-7 team. The next game is Dallas in Irving, Tx. If there isn't a major and I mean major philosophical facelift this week with the playcalling and Jason Campbell's reads this season will be over by week nine. Jason Campbell did not play well and his checkdowns were horrible missing Brandon Lloyd down the sidelines when he overthrew Randle El in the first half. That drive seemed to take JC's confidence and accuracy with the deep ball. Thjat overthrown passt to Cooley on third down was terrible.

Lastly, Joe Gibbs has shown a level of arrogance and stubborness that has caught up with him. He has not adjusted the playcalling with Sanders nor has he given Betts a chance to share the ball has he stated at the beginning of the year he would do. His poor sportsmanship shows a weakness and frustration that he has never exhibited before. If there is no chance by the time we play Dallas in two weeks, Gibbs needs to step down.

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So Rogers is definitely out for the season?

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We got what we used to call a 'well whupped ass' today.. We went in to a game against a better team, played EASILY our worst exucuted game of the year and the results didn't lie.. We get back on track vs. the Jets next Sunday.

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[QUOTE=Paintrain;370218]We got what we used to call a 'well whupped ass' today.. We went in to a game against a better team, played EASILY our worst exucuted game of the year and the results didn't lie.. We get back on track vs. the Jets next Sunday.[/QUOTE]

But how do you feel about the overall team's belief in Joe Gibbs after the way we loss? Is he that out of touch with how to run an offense and communicate that to Sanders?

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[QUOTE=SUNRA;370210]I am more dissappointed in the execution of Portis,and Jason Campbell than I am with anything else today. The turnovers gave up 17 points. And the defense still didn't allow a 100yd day for a runner or receiver. Jason has to learn from this game when it comes to protecting the ball. There is no way a QB fumbles the ball the same way without throwing it away.

Actually winning against the Jets means nothing against a 1-7 team. The next game is Dallas in Irving, Tx. If there isn't a major and I mean major philosophical facelift this week with the playcalling and Jason Campbell's reads this season will be over by week nine. Jason Campbell did not play well and his checkdowns were horrible missing Brandon Lloyd down the sidelines when he overthrew Randle El in the first half. That drive seemed to take JC's confidence and accuracy with the deep ball. Thjat overthrown passt to Cooley on third down was terrible.

Lastly, Joe Gibbs has shown a level of arrogance and stubborness that has caught up with him. He has not adjusted the playcalling with Sanders nor has he given Betts a chance to share the ball has he stated at the beginning of the year he would do. His poor sportsmanship shows a weakness and frustration that he has never exhibited before. If there is no chance by the time we play Dallas in two weeks, Gibbs needs to step down.[/QUOTE]

I don't agree with this--and it seems a bit contradictory. Saunders called those shot-gun drop backs, and JC fumbled three times. And, as you say, JC was not passing well. And we couldn't run-block for sh**. Why do you think that was not Saunders fault--this is HIS offense and HIS playbook--but Gibbs fault? We got our asses handed to us from top to bottom, just like everyone else who've played the pats this year. Plus, Gibbs shook Belichecks friggin hand already! What do you want, him to give a big sloppy kiss as well?

And if you really think the next game that matters is in Dallas, you are just wrong. We need to win the games we can--starting with the Jets. And if we win that one, however we do it, we've got a HUGE home game against the Eagles. I don't expect us to win in Dallas, though it would be great. Take care of the one's we should win, and get that wildcard in a muddled NFC.

Calling for a total tear-down after playing the pats is a mistake. The Pats are just that good right now. We've got the pieces, I believe, to make the playoffs, and the coaches to do it. Oh, and by the way, Spurrier lost this weekend--maybe he'll be available again soon. Should we go get him?

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[QUOTE=SUNRA;370224]But how do you feel about the overall team's belief in Joe Gibbs after the way we loss? Is he that out of touch with how to run an offense and communicate that to Sanders?[/QUOTE]

As much as people want to deny it, injuries can't be overlooked. Further, Jason Campbell had a terrible game today. Just awful. Does Campbell fumbling the way he did mean that Gibbs is out of touch? Nonsense

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[QUOTE=JWsleep;370226]I don't agree with this--and it seems a bit contradictory. Saunders called those shot-gun drop backs, and JC fumbled three times. And, as you say, JC was not passing well. And we couldn't run-block for sh**. Why do you think that was not Saunders fault--this is HIS offense and HIS playbook--but Gibbs fault? We got our asses handed to us from top to bottom, just like everyone else who've played the pats this year. Plus, Gibbs shook Belichecks friggin hand already! What do you want, him to give a big sloppy kiss as well?

And if you really think the next game that matters is in Dallas, you are just wrong. We need to win the games we can--starting with the Jets. And if we win that one, however we do it, we've got a HUGE home game against the Eagles. I don't expect us to win in Dallas, though it would be great. Take care of the one's we should win, and get that wildcard in a muddled NFC.

Calling for a total tear-down after playing the pats is a mistake. The Pats are just that good right now. We've got the pieces, I believe, to make the playoffs, and the coaches to do it. Oh, and by the way, Spurrier lost this weekend--maybe he'll be available again soon. Should we go get him?[/QUOTE]

Nice post. Reputation points coming your way

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Yeah hats off to the Pats and put the ice on our asses for until week.

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;370227]As much as people want to deny it, injuries can't be overlooked. Further, Jason Campbell had a terrible game today. Just awful. Does Campbell fumbling the way he did mean that Gibbs is out of touch? Nonsense[/QUOTE]

I think Belichick did what does best, he focuses on the opponents weakness (in this case Campbell, because of his inexperience) and masterfully rattled him.

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;370228]Nice post. Reputation points coming your way[/QUOTE]

Ah, the silver lining to it all! But you just knew there'd be posts like this after this game if we lost. Gotta keep a bit of an even keel here.

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;370227]As much as people want to deny it, injuries can't be overlooked. Further, Jason Campbell had a terrible game today. Just awful. Does Campbell fumbling the way he did mean that Gibbs is out of touch? Nonsense[/QUOTE]

Yes, Joe Gibbs is out of touch. This was the same offense we have seen for the pass three weeks except it could't in the endzone until the second string defense of the Patriots hit the field. Gibbs admitted himself that he was responsible for the conservative playcalling that almost lost the game last week. Just look at the third down plays and you can predict who Campbell is going to pass to. Gibbs has not adjusted to what defenses are willing to gamble on which is the run. Portis is fucking finished with no 100yd games yet. Yes the offensive line is hurt but Betts deserves to get the most reps after this game. Everyone knows the offense is pathetic and cannot score more than 21 points on an average. That is Gibbs responsibilty as an offensive minded coach.

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[QUOTE=SUNRA;370244]Yes, Joe Gibbs is out of touch. This was the same offense we have seen for the pass three weeks except it could't in the endzone until the second string defense of the Patriots hit the field. Gibbs admitted himself that he was responsible for the conservative playcalling that almost lost the game last week. Just look at the third down plays and you can predict who Campbell is going to pass to. Gibbs has not adjusted to what defenses are willing to gamble on which is the run. Portis is fucking finished with no 100yd games yet. Yes the offensive line is hurt but Betts deserves to get the most reps after this game. Everyone knows the offense is pathetic and cannot score more than 21 points on an average. That is Gibbs responsibilty as an offensive minded coach.[/QUOTE]

Well we're just going to disagree on this I guess

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[I][B]Burn the film, move along.[/B] This looked like a tough game right when the schedule was made. It was worse than we feared, but that's that.

Go up to NY and get a W. That's the only way to take the sting out of this. And we'll see what kind of mettle our team has--does it fire them up or bring them down? We're in a dogfight for a wildcard spot in a muddled NFC. Forget this one, and get the games you should.[/I]

Best advice I've seen after this debacle.[/quote]I take that back. I want Saunders and Gibbs to go over this to learn what perfect offensive football looks like. NE's receivers really impressed me with their blocking. How many times did the put a hat on a hat and seal our DB's from getting in on a play? This is the best coached offense that I've seen in many, many years.

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[QUOTE=Kmjskins;370203]I understand that it is one game but it is more of a "gut check" type of game. I live in the Philly area and rarely hear the interviews to Coach Gibbs or the players but today I heard Sonny ask Gibbs "fluff" questions after being disgraced. No one seemed angry except London Fletcher.

This absolutely has to be Gibbs last year unless we make the playoffs. His approach to the game, including the play calling is awful!
I used to like the Patriots but today's game showed how classless Bellicheck is! I hope the Colts win the AFC championship and go to the Superbowl.[/QUOTE]

I felt this way after the Giants loss at the 1yd. line and I still feel what you're saying. Look, Joe Gibbs has been the teflon don as a head coach of the skins. But now the gloves are going to have to come off because this so called offense is declining week after week due to his belief in Portis's poor running and Sanders 'shitty playcalling that finally reached heights that I never imagined. This is a shame when you look at how long the defense has to be on the field. Hell, the offense doesn't give them time to get their boxers out their asses.

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[quote=SUNRA;370244]Yes, Joe Gibbs is out of touch. This was the same offense we have seen for the pass three weeks except it could't in the endzone until the second string defense of the Patriots hit the field. Gibbs admitted himself that he was responsible for the conservative playcalling that almost lost the game last week. Just look at the third down plays and you can predict who Campbell is going to pass to. Gibbs has not adjusted to what defenses are willing to gamble on which is the run. Portis is fucking finished with no 100yd games yet. Yes the offensive line is hurt but Betts deserves to get the most reps after this game. Everyone knows the offense is pathetic and cannot score more than 21 points on an average. That is Gibbs responsibilty as an offensive minded coach.[/quote]

Pats are a waaaaaaaaaaaay better team than we are. Plain and simple.

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;370246]Well we're just going to disagree on this I guess[/QUOTE]

No Problem.

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When Betts has gotten reps he's looked just as bad--look at his YPC. That suggests the O-line is to blame, not the backs who've both gained 1000 yards in a season in the NFL.

Look, Gibbs brought Sunders in and gave up the playcalling and the playbook. IMO, Saunders is the O-coordinator brought in at great expense to make this O work. Now, if you really want me to believe that Gibbs is just sabatoaging Saunders, I'd like some proof. Yes, they wanted to run out the clock up 21-6 against the cards--Saunders agreed that this was the move. And they won. If Saunders wants to do something else with the O, he needs to step up like a man and tell JG what he wants. Is he such a wimp that he can't do that? Be a friggin man.

But here's my guess--you've got a combination of things from top-to-bottom slowing the O right now. Injuries, execution, AND playcalling altogether. And my guess is Gibbs and Saunders are right on the same page about how to play things. I may be wrong, but I have not seen the evidence against this. JC--who has maybe started 15 games, did not look good on the road against a top-5 D--fire the coach!

If we cannot move the ball against the Jets and teams like that on the schedule, get back to me. (I'm sure you will! ;) ) But I think you are over-reacting to a blowout on the road against one of the best teams, from top to bottom, in the history of the league. Give it a few weeks.

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;370251]Pats are a waaaaaaaaaaaay better team than we are. Plain and simple.[/QUOTE]

Yes I agree. But were the Giants or how about the Packers waaaaaaaaaay better than the Redskins? See this offense started this downward spiral weeks ago and nothing has changed. Instead of preparing a different scheme for New England, New England caught the defense off guard with three or four running plays when we were expecting a pass happy offense. How many times did we see the hitch play thrown to Moss today for no gain. Gibbs went away from the deep pass too often after Campbell missed a couple of makeable plays. And that was the end of our aggressive offensive playcalling in the first half.

Instead of talking about how good the team the team is, we need to talk about how Joe Gibbs was out-coached. That's why he ran off the field without shaking hands with Belicheck. I have not respect for any man who isn't man enough to shake with the opponent after they dominated your team start to finish.