The sky is falling - Dr. Z will vote for Monk
 

Could this be it? Finally??

After last year's debacle, I just don't know anymore.

I was convinced after King changed his vote that Monk was a shoe-in.

Hopefully this changes it and the man FINALLY gets what he deserves.

[url=http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writers/dr_z/11/07/hof/index.html]SI.com - Writers - Dr. Z: My votes off the preliminary Hall of Fame ballot - Thursday November 8, 2007 9:34AM[/url]

"And now we come to Art Monk.

I'm tired of being a negative. I'm tired of all the impassioned letters asking me what did he ever do to me. I've been thinking long and hard about this. OK, he caught a lot of short passes but he also bought a lot of first downs, and he was a terrific team guy, well-respected and a pleasure from whom to borrow money."


I still think its a back-handed approach and doesn't properly credit Monk for ALL of his on the field attributes - but, if it removes an obstacle to Monk's election, I am all for it.

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He also has Darrell Green as the number one corner to be inducted.

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I saw this earlier this morning... was afraid to post another dup thread! Anywho... FINALLY. I hope this wine monkey can swing enough votes Art's way to get him in the hall. I agree that Carter is hall-worthy but not necessarily first ballot worthy. Especially after all of that scheisse he was talking a month or so ago about Monk not having enough pro bowl appearances to warrant induction... #28 and #81 in the same year would be amazing.

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As I read it he was saying he was voting for those guys to be put on the list of 15 finalists, I'm not sure that guarantees his vote for induction. I'm just saying, he ticks off quite a list of names on there and what, only six or seven can possibly get in right?

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I just don't why it's taken so long for guys like King and Z. to wake the F up.

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Chris Carter - All he does is lose conference championship games.

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[quote=REDSKIN2;375270]Chris Carter - All he does is lose conference championship games.[/quote]

And look like a California Raisin.

[IMG]http://likeyouknowwhatever.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/california_raisin.jpg[/IMG]

[IMG]http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/1135000/images/_1137407_carter150.jpg[/IMG]

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You watch -- he still won't get in.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;375271]And look like a California Raisin.

[IMG]http://likeyouknowwhatever.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/california_raisin.jpg[/IMG]

[IMG]http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/1135000/images/_1137407_carter150.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]

LOL. I wonder if he'll do the dance if he gets in?

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After this long, I will not believe it until I see it. But this is encouraging.

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[QUOTE=SC Skins Fan;375264]As I read it he was saying he was voting for those guys to be put on the list of 15 finalists, I'm not sure that guarantees his vote for induction. I'm just saying, he ticks off quite a list of names on there and what, only six or seven can possibly get in right?[/QUOTE]

Yes. You're right. At the same time, I think when it comes down to the final vote, he is not going to stand in the way this time and won't vote him down. Perhaps with Lenny S. actively working to get Monk in and King's and Z's obstructionism gone, Art might just get enough votes to get in.

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anyone know Chris Carters career stats? they cant be anywhere close to Monks. and ill bet Gary Clark's are at least as good. and what about that so called drug problem....

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[QUOTE=dmek25;375313]anyone know Chris Carters career stats? they cant be anywhere close to Monks. and ill bet Gary Clark's are at least as good. and what about that so called drug problem....[/QUOTE]

His numbers are better than monks:
[url=http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/CartCr00.htm]Cris Carter statistics - pro-football-reference.com[/url]

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[quote=dmek25;375313]anyone know Chris Carters career stats? they cant be anywhere close to Monks. and ill bet Gary Clark's are at least as good. and what about that so called drug problem....[/quote]

Actually, doing a direct comparison, Carter blows Monk out the water in receptions, yards and nearly doubles him in TD's. However, Monk blows Carter out of the water with super Bowl rings, which seemed to be good nough for Lynn Swann.

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You know, 6 months ago I would have had no arguement with Carter going to the hall. I always enjoyed his style of play and think he would have fit in. But I can't look past the point that he felt his own enshrinement was so important as to denigrate one of the all time class players in the NFL. To my mind, he can wait 1or 2 years and learn some humility.

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WOW!! ... I hope the 2 of them, meaning Monk and Green, Both make it this year. If so, Canton HERE I COME!!! HAIL!!

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[QUOTE=artmonkforhallofamein07;375328]WOW!! ... I hope the 2 of them, meaning Monk and Green, Both make it this year. If so, Canton HERE I COME!!! HAIL!![/QUOTE]

I think we may have to charter a bus if this happens. Very exciting to think of this. How cool would it be if they inducted each other?

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How cool would it be if Monk finally does get elected and then tells them all to shove it right up their asses? Now, that would never happen because Art was/is a class act, but it certainly would be funny.

I hope they both make it in as well. It would be awesome to see two Skins going in at the same time!

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Rest assured that if Darrell Green makes it in and Art doesn't, Art will be mentioned. Someone is going to have to shame the voters into doing the right thing.

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[quote=724Skinsfan;375317]Actually, doing a direct comparison, Carter blows Monk out the water in receptions, yards and nearly doubles him in TD's. However, Monk blows Carter out of the water with super Bowl rings, which seemed to be good nough for Lynn Swann.[/quote]
I hear the numbers comparrisons from people all the time and it irritates the crap out of me. Football does not have the same rules from year to year and it's impossible to compare players. Would you rather have Bart Starr or Brad Johnson? Johnson has better numbers. When Monk caught 106 passes it was unheard of, now someone catches over a 100 every year. Are wr's so much better today? Absolutely not but today if you breathe on a wr it is penalty. Think how many more passes Monk could have gotten if he played under the Micheal Irvin push off rules? Compare players under the guidelines of when they played. Monk retired as the all-time receptions leader. He didn't make many pro bowls, but neither did Riggins. It's 3rd and 6. Who, of all-time, do you throw to?

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about damn time. Its a crime that its taken so long. Especially since that F---head from dallas got in before him.

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If Art gets in with Darrell that would be heaven and I will come all the way from San Francisco. I expect Art to get a long standing ovation like Canton has never heard before and all Redskins fans present at Canton should unite and create signs and give Art an unforgettable welcome to the HOF that will always be remembered and talked about for years. I want the injustice of Art not being a first time ballot to be know by all football fans.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;375271]And look like a California Raisin.

[IMG]http://likeyouknowwhatever.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/california_raisin.jpg[/IMG]

[IMG]http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/1135000/images/_1137407_carter150.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]

he is a real clown....lol..lol...

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[quote=BleedBurgundy;375326]You know, 6 months ago I would have had no arguement with Carter going to the hall. I always enjoyed his style of play and think he would have fit in. But I can't look past the point that he felt his own enshrinement was so important as to denigrate one of the all time class players in the NFL. To my mind, he can wait 1or 2 years and learn some humility.[/quote]

Ding ding ding! You just earned some rep.

Carter used his status as a talking head to take a shot at Monk, who would NEVER do something like that, even if he WERE in a public position.

Art is being denied due to the poor selections of a lot of flashy self-promoters rather than guys who shut their mouths, worked their asses off, and oh yeah, just happened to win a bunch of Super Bowls.

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Chris Carter is such an incredible douchebag. Irvin and Carter couldn't wash Monk's jock when it comes to class.

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I've been trying to remember, didn't Carter have some legal problems when he left the Eagles? I remember Buddy Ryan clashing with him and his poor attitude and work habits (which is why he could mentor Randy Moss on the better way to be a pro). But tried to find about the legal issues I might not remember correctly.

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I don't know if he gets in or not. I'd say yes, because of Dr.Z's praise.