Redskins Insider - JC Through 15 Games
 

[url=http://blog.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/2007/11/jc_through_15_games.html#more]JC Through 15 Games - Redskins Insider[/url]

I put a link to this blog in the Boswell thread, but I thought it was pretty interesting (ok, I know I said before that it was worthless to compare JC to other QBs, but what can I say). Seems to have something for everyone. Little JC talk, a little Pat Ramsey comparison, and even a jab at the coaching staff at the end there. JLC makes a good point. For all those who like making the conservative playcalling argument (constantly) that point about how they have put the ball on the ground and avoided throwing the ball after a couple of forced errors by JC is a nice observation.

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[QUOTE]"Also, check out J-Cam's numbers versus another NFL Qb thru 15 games:

Jason Campbell 15 55.99% 2817 16/13
Un-named Qb 15 53.40% 2846 15/12

Eerily similar, huh? Well who is the un-named Qb you ask???? None other than P-Ram, Patrick Ramsey. Interesting. I think J-Cam will be much better than Ramsey but they're pretty much even thru 15 games statistically passing wise. Scary huh."[/QUOTE]

Why did he have to go ther?

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I just don't agree with his comparison to Romo. He's been in the league for what, 5 years now? He had 3 full seasons on the bench before he played. So of course he's heads and tails above the younger guys who didn't have the benefit of sitting and learning for 3 seasons.

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Regarding his point here:

[quote]You guys tell me if this is a coincidence, or symbolic of a larger issue? So JC gets a ball tipped and picked off on the final Skins offensive play of the second quarter against Arizona a few weeks back, in what turned out to be a very tight game, and in the second half the Redskins run the ball 16 times and throw it just 7 and barely squeak by with a 2 point win. [B]Then against the Jets Sunday he is hit as he tried to throw, gets picked off on a play that wasn't his fault [/B]- Barton made a heck of a catch and the protection failed - and then the rest of the way the Skins run the ball 21 times and throw it just twice as they come from behind to eventually beat NY in OT by 3. That's 37 rushes to 9 passes in what amounts to a full game post-INTs totaled all together.
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Not sure I really agree there. After seeing the play over again I think JC held the ball a second too long, which he has done plenty of other times this year as well due to his inexperience.

We all know Gibbs is paranoid regarding turnovers, and I think it's obvious that the staff isn't 100% confident in turning JC loose just yet. I can really see both sides to this. As fans we sit here and say let him throw, but as coaches they don't want to put him in difficult situations when they have 2 quality backs and a sturdy D to lean on. Who knows, perhaps if we didn't lean on the running game in those games one or more of those close wins turn into a loss?

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[quote=Mattyk72;375537]We all know Gibbs is paranoid regarding turnovers, and I think it's obvious that the staff isn't 100% confident in turning JC loose just yet. I can really see both sides to this. As fans we sit here and say let him throw, but as coaches they don't want to put him in difficult situations when they have 2 quality backs and a sturdy D to lean on. Who knows, perhaps if we didn't lean on the running game in those games one or more of those close wins turn into a loss?[/quote]It's been a while since we played a team we thought we would have some difficultly playing. About a month to be exact.

We obviously called a lot of runs against both Arizona and New York. I'm not sure that's particularly conservative, I think we just decided it was the best way to attack them.

Anyway, the consequence was that the score in both those games was a lot closer than anyone thought it would be. Well, if your gameplan is to run the ball and play good D...well then, yeah the score is going to be close.

Some fans deem this playing to "not lose". Well, aside from how ridiculous that statement sounds...isn't not losing a good thing anyway.

The point is we could have lost to Arizona, but only because if you are trying to pace the game like the Redskins have, you don't have an allowance for a failed onside kick recovery.

The allowance for turnovers in Gibbs-style football isn't there, but it's not like you can totally prevent them from happening. You can just severly cut down on them. But it's NOT like our propensity to not turn the ball over is CAUSING the offense to not score and this is something our fans need to realize. Less turnovers=good. Inconsistency on offense=bad. Both are characteristic of the Washington Redskins this season, but they are not related.

If we turn the ball over against equal or lesser teams multiple times, we are going to get upset. Fortunately it hasn't happened yet this year, and we are 5-3, but I think thats something we really have to focus on this week.

Who cares how "conservative" we are being. If we don't turn the ball over, and we move the ball, the offense is doing its job.

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[quote=Mattyk72;375532]I just don't agree with his comparison to Romo. He's been in the league for what, 5 years now? He had 3 full seasons on the bench before he played. So of course he's heads and tails above the younger guys who didn't have the benefit of sitting and learning for 3 seasons.[/quote]I agree. Romo is a 5 year vet. Campbell is a three year vet. The three biggest jumps in a QBs development are:

1) year one to two
2) year three to four
and
3) year four to five

So Romo SHOULD be way ahead of JC in his development.

I would be a little worried though if by this time next year the gap isn't a bit closer.



Additionally, Campbell's completion percentage is about 8% better than it was last season, and very steady week to week. It still needs to go up a bit, but that's a jump Patrick never really made.

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He doesn't have to be Romo per se. He just has to be a solid qb, which I think based on his performance so far is more than just possible. Aside from the team he plays for, there's a lot to like about Romo but I don't know if his style would fit in with a Gibbs coached team. There's a little too much Favre in him, no? It's exciting as hell to watch but I think coach Joe would have a heart attack the first time he underarmed a shuffle pass while being sacked after scrambling back 6 yards.

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After 18 starts, don't annoint Romo just yet. He's pretty good, but I'm always wary of a guy who is really outperforming his completion percentage.

Either his completion percentage will improve, or his TDs will decline while his INTs increase.

I'm still playing the wait and see game with Romo.

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My guess is that as he gets more confident as time goes on his int percentage is likely to go up. Cockiness = more willingness to take chances = turnovers.

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And that 5 INT game.. DAMN. He should have been picked even 1-2 more times in that game.

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I must say I'm disappointed a little w/JC's development, although I don't put all the blame on him. I just thought we would have a little more of an air game by now.

Plus, I think it was GTripp that said the last 4 weeks he's become less accurate. That sounded right to me, he's been missing a lot of throws lately.

I still love the kid as our qb of the future though, and I think he's gonna be a solid pro.

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[quote=GTripp0012;375558]After 18 starts, don't annoint Romo just yet. He's pretty good, but I'm always wary of a guy who is really outperforming his completion percentage.

Either his completion percentage will improve, or his TDs will decline while his INTs increase.

I'm still playing the wait and see game with Romo.[/quote]

I'm all for Romo fall from grace, but isn't he completing 65% of his passes? That seems pretty good. Romo's percentage is 64.4% (admittedly 15th in the league, but everyone besides Tom Brady is pretty close) and Peyton Manning is at 64.9%. If you are around 65% isn't that where you want to be? I think you are correct in assuming his TDs and INTs will come closer together at some point, but I just don't see the completion percentage argument. Maybe I'm missing something.

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[quote=Mattyk72;375532]I just don't agree with his comparison to Romo. He's been in the league for what, 5 years now? He had 3 full seasons on the bench before he played. So of course he's heads and tails above the younger guys who didn't have the benefit of sitting and learning for 3 seasons.[/quote]


Matty using this methodology about sitting on the bench for three years, then Todd collins should be an all-pro.

The one unmeasurable is talent, you either have it or you don't.

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Well this also shows that Ramsey could have been a better QB given the coaches support and a little more time to develop. We just crushed the mans confidence and may have just ruined his career as a QB.

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[QUOTE=firstdown;375576]Well this also shows that Ramsey could have been a better QB given the coaches support and a little more time to develop. We just crushed the mans confidence and may have just ruined his career as a QB.[/QUOTE]

And the gates are now open...

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[quote=mredskins;375569]Matty using this methodology about sitting on the bench for three years, then Todd collins should be an all-pro.

The one unmeasurable is talent, you either have it or you don't.[/quote]

I'm not denying that Romo is talented, I just think he really benefited from being brought along slowly.

I think far too often these days young QBs are rushed into the starting lineup before they are truly ready.

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[quote=SC Skins Fan;375567]I'm all for Romo fall from grace, but isn't he completing 65% of his passes? That seems pretty good. Romo's percentage is 64.4% (admittedly 15th in the league, but everyone besides Tom Brady is pretty close) and Peyton Manning is at 64.9%. If you are around 65% isn't that where you want to be? I think you are correct in assuming his TDs and INTs will come closer together at some point, but I just don't see the completion percentage argument. Maybe I'm missing something.[/quote]Yeah, that's where you want to be.

He was hanging at 59% and then it closed up to 64% really quick. I'm waiting to see if it drops sharply over the next few games, but if it doesn't, then I'll be willing to admit he's the real thing.

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[quote=BleedBurgundy;375580]And the gates are now open...[/quote]
I guess people figured I was trying to stir things up.

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[quote=freddyg12;375566]I must say I'm disappointed a little w/JC's development, although I don't put all the blame on him. I just thought we would have a little more of an air game by now.

Plus, I think it was GTripp that said the last 4 weeks he's become less accurate. That sounded right to me, he's been missing a lot of throws lately.

I still love the kid as our qb of the future though, and I think he's gonna be a solid pro.[/quote]

Our air game stinks. It's still a struggle to get 200 yards passing. The offense looks the exact same as last year and that is why we are not scoring more points. It's too tough to have 12-15 play drives in the NFL. We have no explosion plays at all. We depend on throwing a short pass and hope that someone breaks 10 tackles. Not gonna happen.

The few passes we have tried deep are either dropped or over thrown. JC and the WR's are just not clicking.

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I think that JC is hard to make an assesment over, after 5 games, he looked like a pro-bowl quarterback, since then, he has looked like Brunell. He needs a big game sunday to have a chance to rebound.

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Next season will tell us if JC is the man or not. This season is on the job training still somewhat. If he continues his mediocrity in '08 his butt needs to be benched. Almost think we should go for Dixon for Oregon if we can get him or just wait in the '09 draft to get a QB. Other than Dixon, the QB class is shallow this year.

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[QUOTE=mredskins;375569]Matty using this methodology about sitting on the bench for three years, then Todd collins should be an all-pro.

The one unmeasurable is talent, you either have it or you don't.[/QUOTE]

Drew Bledsoe was a super bowl QB so is Brad Johnson Romo should be well developed with those guys coaching his ear it beats the help JC is getting from Brunell & Collins I bet.