Taylor - What is up with this moron?
 

Does anyone else get the since that Sean Taylor is better described as being Warren Sapp in a safety's body? Now either he got a great education at UM and knows what he is doing (highly doubtful) or he spent 90% of his days sitting on a park bench half baked (highly probable).

I don't know fellas, but he is quickly becoming the problem child of the NFL. Switching agents, firing people, total disregard for the NFL as a whole.

He is starting to worry me! Anyone else feel this way? :(

No, I don't feel that way at all. How is switching agents criteria for being a problem child? Now, if he was doing the kind of stuff that Darrell Russell has done, I would have a different view of him, but until then, I see him as a quiet guy who showed up for camp on time (gotta give him a ton of credit for that), both pluses in my book. I think that people are trying to make too much out of nothing.

What is he hired the Postons? Would you fell any different Payne???

The only ones he is creating a problem for are his agents (and maybe himself). He came in on time, got back on the field ASAP after twisting his knee, signs autographs, has not done anything negative toward the team. What is your problem with him??? He does need to mature a bit, but that has not hurt the team as far as I can tell. Maybe you should stop reading all the negative articles about him. Remember, guys like that jerk Boswell in the WP are pissed because he won't talk to them after their much earlier negative articles. Screw them. Be a fan. If he screw the team over somehow, THEN get on his case.

Of course I would feel different about it, but he didn't hire the Postons. That would change the whole situation completely and has no bearing on his current status.

It's like me saying I don't like you because you could have chosen to be a Cowboys fan.

Total disregard for the NFL? Problem child?

How?

Last time I checked he's in camp and practicing. His off the field issues have been very minor in comparison to others. QC snorting coke, Randy McMichael beating down his pregnant wife, etc. Taylor is a blip on the radar compared to these other guys.

lol, Matt & I agree for once!

I would go so far as to say that his off the field problems aren't even that. They're personal matters at best. He showed up to camp on time, gives his all on the field, and seems to be a team player. What more could you ask for? Yeah, he missed the rookie symposium - big deal, I don't see where he's a worse person or player for it. So what if he didn't have an agent for 3 months - he did get to camp on time. So what if he fired his old agent - he's in camp under contract and the new agent (rumored to be Rosenhaus) is one that gets along with Dan Snyder. I really can't seem to fabricate any downsides to this guy like other people can.

Yeah I really think we're all jumping the gun on Taylor.

I think we've all been a bit guilty of it at some point this offseason. But when you take a step back and look at the big picture, things really aren't as bad as they could be.

Taylor has had an "odd" beginning to his career here, but to say he's a problem child is really a stretch.

At least he *is* signed... unlike another Miami player I could mention....

Thank goodness. I so glad we are not dealing with that pinhead.

Why would you call him a "moron" ? He's simply a rookie adjusting to life in the NFL. So maybe he has a hard time trusting people, and he's a little shy. But we can't judge him until he sets foot on the field. If all this off-field nonsense affects his play, then we can start criticizing him. For now, lets just hope that he gets it together. Theres nothing wrong with being a little worried....thats natural. But we can't start criticizing him right off the bat.

A Potential Proble ~ Taylor
 

I think you really have to look at one thing. 1st off it is not wise to comment on what we don't know such as sitting on a park bench half baked. But what we defiently know is said by him in his post contract signning news conference. Commenting on where and why he left the NFL Rookie Symposiym "You just wrote a story without asking my side, so I just won't give it." Then a question of why not just clear it up? "Why clear it up if you wanted to clear it up you should of came another way before you put it onthe street you know you know, should of came and got it from the horses mouth, and it would have been a better story." They weren't looking for a better story just the real story. Snide remarks and not just saying I would prefer to not comment is rude. The Redskins are claiming they drafted a player based on his character number 1. Well I believe his character is in question and if you doubt it then listen to the news conference and you tell me.

Gibbs would not have drafted him if there was any question about his character.

Taylor doesn't owe us any sort of explanation for anything. Leave the guy alone and let him just play football. After all, that's what we are paying him for, not for his public speaking abilities.

Having been the other person sitting on that curbside next to Portis and Taylor when Boswell told Taylor he was going to write an article about him, and having spoken with Taylor myself, I can tell you that he really is a rather shy person, and that it seems like the more the media presses him, the more he draws up into his shell. It's simply a defense mechanism, and perhaps a little bit of youthful willfulness, and I think he's just anxious to get out on the field during an actual game and bring all this idle speculation to a screeching halt. That's where Taylor intends to make his statements. He's tried to make that clear repeatedly, but apparently, the media hasn't been listening. In Taylor's opinion, none of the other things that have happened this offseason should matter if he goes out on the field and makes good things happen. Yes, his actions have been rather unpredictable and inexplicable, but how many of us haven't behaved in the exact same manner at his age?

Taylor is a young man who is going to do things on his terms and on his schedule. If and when he feels like talking to the media, he will do it, and there's nothing anyone can do about that-- not Tom Boswell, not Dan Daly, not Joe Gibbs, not Gregg Williams, not Clinton Portis, not LaVar Arrington, and certainly not me. If the media wants Taylor to talk, they are going to have to play by his rules, like it or not. Writing negative articles about him and jumping to conclusions about his personality, his character and his agenda, is certainly not going to help. While the members of the media that Taylor has shunned point at him and accuse him of being a spoiled, immature athlere, they don't realize that they are behaving in just as spoiled and immature a manner. Let's get one thing straight: all of this Taylor-bashing is not about his playing ability, it's about Taylor not playing the game by the media's rules. Taylor pissed them off, and now they're pissing back. Very mature, objective and rational approach, huh?

[QUOTE=jbcjr14]Does anyone else get the since that Sean Taylor is better described as being Warren Sapp in a safety's body? Now either he got a great education at UM and knows what he is doing (highly doubtful) or he spent 90% of his days sitting on a park bench half baked (highly probable).

I don't know fellas, but he is quickly becoming the problem child of the NFL. Switching agents, firing people, total disregard for the NFL as a whole.

He is starting to worry me! Anyone else feel this way? :([/QUOTE]

I am not the slightest bit worried about Sean Taylor. Sounds like you must have alot of time on your hands (are you on a park bench? :cool-smil )to be scared about this non-issue or you just get scared easy.
You might be one of those fans that wanted the Redskins to draft Kellen Winslow II. So you are bitter they did not draft your boy and have nothing but hate towards Sean Taylor. That is fine, you are entitled to your opinion.

basically he needs an agent, and smoot to be his media correspondent. then all he has to worry about is playing the game. The agent gets him the money, and Smoot does all the talking.

As a side note, there is this park bench near one of the classrooms that a lot of the football players always hang out at before class... lol. But most of them dont do any drugs, atelast not during the season. They know whats at risk. They dont usually even party during the season.

I think people who are forming negative opinions based on the media's perspective of Taylor need to take a step back and think about the situation.

Stop reading journalist's perspectives on Taylor (who are biased because he hasn't been giving them the sound bites they want) and focus on the fact that he got to camp on time, has been very active in signing autographs and engaging with fans, and has had complimentary things said about him by other players.

I'm not really worried about his agents so much as the fact that Len P. (while I consider him an asshole and find him hard to believe) reported that Sean Taylor has looked altogether bad. That worries me. I don't care that he fires agents and I thought he might be upset about his deal when other teams went outside of their damn minds for Fitzgerald and Manning. Anyway, he plays safety and he got a great deal for a safety. I just hope he ends up starting for the Skins because I don't think he was selected fifth overall to back up Andre Lott for his first season.

JoeCrisp
Very well put!!! I guess thinking back to that time when I was that age, some of the choices I made were not wise but I learned. I am sure he will show us on the field. At least lets hope because I think the last great saftey we had was Ken Houston and that was ages ago. But I wish that he would have more class then some of the reporters and politley say "No comment" The questionning at the conference by the reporters was non combative as Mr. Gibbs was there and the reporters no better then to piss him off. So I think with time and experience we hopefully will see a kindier and more gentlier Mr. Taylor.

[QUOTE=jdlea]I'm not really worried about his agents so much as the fact that Len P. (while I consider him an asshole and find him hard to believe) reported that Sean Taylor has looked altogether bad. That worries me. I don't care that he fires agents and I thought he might be upset about his deal when other teams went outside of their damn minds for Fitzgerald and Manning. Anyway, he plays safety and he got a great deal for a safety. I just hope he ends up starting for the Skins because I don't think he was selected fifth overall to back up Andre Lott for his first season.[/QUOTE]
I haven't seen anything about Taylor's play thus far that would make me say he looks "bad". I've actually been pretty impressed with his burst to the ball. He's still adjusting to the conditioning aspect of these practices (which are fast-paced and intense, not to mention unbearably HOT!), as well as adapting to the speed and complexity of the game. That's why Andre Lott has been ahead of him on the depth chart so far.

I also think people need to give Lott a little credit here. Lott has shown that he has excellent coverage skills, displaying the speed and fluidity of a cornerback, and the ability to run step-for-step with receivers on deep patterns.

Perhaps rather than asking why Taylor is second on the depth chart (last I checked, he's still a rookie, playing for a very demanding defensive coach), folks should be asking why Ohalete has fallen all the way back to [i]third[/i], behind both Lott and Taylor. That's the real mystery of camp. Right now, nobody really has an explanation for it, and Ohalete certainly hasn't been forthcoming with any answers himself.

THE GUY IS A ROOKIE!!!

That's all we need to know. He's going to adjust sooner or later, but it takes time. Guys we need to be a little more patient with this kid. He's made some mistakes, but at least he hasn't held out during camp like Winslow. He's got the best coaching staff to guide and support him....not to mention the players ( Portis, Arrington two pro bowlers ) on his side. He is a freaking kid. Let him learn from his mistakes.

Re: Joe Crisp

As usual, you have taken all the comments and made sense of them. You base your comments on fact. Thank you for your voice of reason, once again.

[QUOTE=jdlea]I'm not really worried about his agents so much as the fact that Len P. (while I consider him an asshole and find him hard to believe) reported that Sean Taylor has looked altogether bad. That worries me. I don't care that he fires agents and I thought he might be upset about his deal when other teams went outside of their damn minds for Fitzgerald and Manning. Anyway, he plays safety and he got a great deal for a safety. I just hope he ends up starting for the Skins because I don't think he was selected fifth overall to back up Andre Lott for his first season.[/QUOTE]

This is pretty hard to understand. First you say Len P. is an a-hole and not believable, then you say you are WORRIED because Len P. says Taylor has looked bad. Well, everything else I've seen in print says he has looked damn good. Think about what you are saying here. Why would a statement by an unbelievable guy, that is in conflict with all other observers, make you worry??

All of the other criticism about Taylor seems to be about his Off-The-Field issues, and has been ridiculously overblown.

Just wondering...

Maybe that day that Sean Taylor missed at the NFL Rookie Seminar was the day they explained how guys should choose their agents...? ;)

:lol:

man, check out this article ripping Taylor a new one, I'm starting to see why this kid has such a dislike for the media. With crap like this, do they expect him to ever talk?

[url]http://www.washingtontimes.com/sports/20040804-115931-1058r.htm[/url]

Coming from a high profile college you'd think he'd be used to the media and pressure...but I guess the NFL is different

what media did he have to get used to in miami. ALl the media said was that teh opposing team would be stupid to even consider passing the ball. Thats literally how good he was last year. Whenever I saw a ball thrown, I just knew that he would alteast bat it down or make the tackle. He was always around the ball. Now hes not getting everything to go his way for the first time and he doesnt like it. I just hope he performs. I dont care if he wants money because he is so good. Portis was due to make what, a million this year. But he definitly played well enough to get the big pay check. lets hope Taylor does the same.

[QUOTE=monk81]Coming from a high profile college you'd think he'd be used to the media and pressure...but I guess the NFL is different :shrug[/QUOTE]

With the kind (and AMOUNT) of pure crap they are writing about him, I don't think ANYONE gets "used" to it. Some people hide it better than others, but even mild cuts in the media are very painful to virtually everyone. This stuff is mostly uncalled for. It is outrageous that they are slamming this kid so hard. They are supposed to be writing about SPORTS, not a gossip column!!! Makes me want to support him more than ever. Those elite media pr*cks like Boswell are just spewing hatred because they can't stand it that he won't talk to them. I hope he never does talk to THAT a-hole.

The reason I bought into what Len P was saying is because I hadn't heard much else from Redskins camp. Lenny was saying that Taylor couldn't make a play, I was wondering if that was the case. I may have jumped to some conclusions before that post and since reading afterward can admit that it wasn't really what I had intended to say. I was more looking for an update on how Sean Taylor was doing, if he was really playing poorly and if he was I would have been a little concerned then.

[QUOTE=joecrisp]I haven't seen anything about Taylor's play thus far that would make me say he looks "bad". I've actually been pretty impressed with his burst to the ball. He's still adjusting to the conditioning aspect of these practices (which are fast-paced and intense, not to mention unbearably HOT!), as well as adapting to the speed and complexity of the game. That's why Andre Lott has been ahead of him on the depth chart so far.

I also think people need to give Lott a little credit here. Lott has shown that he has excellent coverage skills, displaying the speed and fluidity of a cornerback, and the ability to run step-for-step with receivers on deep patterns.

Perhaps rather than asking why Taylor is second on the depth chart (last I checked, he's still a rookie, playing for a very demanding defensive coach), folks should be asking why Ohalete has fallen all the way back to [i]third[/i], behind both Lott and Taylor. That's the real mystery of camp. Right now, nobody really has an explanation for it, and Ohalete certainly hasn't been forthcoming with any answers himself.[/QUOTE]

Exactly. Joe is the voice of reason.
Hey Andre Lott - Props to you for stepping it up! Iffy, what's up dude? Something must have happened that we are aware of, or maybe, just maybe, Lott has just really impressed the coaches that much. That said, I believe Taylor will still end up with the job eventually....he's a rookie. Plus, how many starters are really set a week before the preseason starts (for all teams) anyway?

Looks like hes starting to break out of his shell in practice now. This guy is going to be great for us, we just gotta have a little patience in this first week of practice. From joes play by play it seemed he was breaking up plays, and stopping runs at the line of scrimage.