Who's the third best quarterback in the NFL right now?
 

Well it would be easy to say Favre, and I think a strong argument could be made, but I am inclined to say Roethlisberger, and not just because of his age.

He is a guy many, myself included, wrote off after he followed his abysmal superbowl performance with an even worse 06 season. I figured him to be a product of a great line, strong running game, and world class defense - certainly not a franchise player.

However, his growth this season has been remarkable. His rating of 110.2 is second to only Brady amongst active starters. His accuracy, particularily throwing the deep ball, is tremendous. Moreover, he has shown a poise and leadership in recent weeks that has been, as Ward alluded to this week, Elway-esque. Finally, his size changes the way defenses must react to him since he his so hard to bring down (plus he's deceptively quick, and he's as good as anyone in the league at knowing when to use his feet).

Who do you guys think is the third best qb in the league right now?

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Brady is far and away #1. But, I'd put Big Ben, Lord Favre and Jordan's big brother in 2-4.

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Well Roethlisberger was nearly dead prior to last season so I'll cut him some slack for 2006. He has been remarkable this year, no question. He's probably #3 right now

Either him or Vince Young :)

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Derek Anderson

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I'm amazed at what jeff garcia has been doing with that horrible team.

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[QUOTE=rypper11;377965]Brady is far and away #1. But, I'd put Big Ben, Lord Favre and Jordan's big brother in 2-4.[/QUOTE]

Aren't you forgetting a certain defending champ?

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Roethlisberger and Romo are close.

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[quote=Campbell17;377979]Roethlisberger and Romo are close.[/quote]

Give JC better wide receivers like T.O. and coaches who trust him and he'll probably look better than he looks now.

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Roethlisberger has lifted his game this season. The Steelers new approach under Tomlin is more a stretch the field first to set up the run than in prior years. Big Ben has orchestrated it to perfection.

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I'm still taking Carson Palmer.

His team is struggling this year, but Palmer is the only guy I can think of outside of Brady and Manning who has played at an elite level each of the past three years.

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[quote=djnemo65;377975]Aren't you forgetting a certain defending champ?[/quote]

I know that I am in the minority with this, but I think Eli's brother is the most overrated player in the history of the NFL. Put any number of NFL QB's on that team with Tom Moore coaching and they have 2 or 3 SB trophies. Look at his numbers with and without Marvin Harrison. Big Ben has Heath Miller (not as good as Dallas Clark) and Hines Ward (no where near Harrison). Palmer is surrounded by guys who aren't as interested in football as they are in their Probation Officers (Bengals most immature team in NFL?). Favre has Jennings (not has good as Stokely or Gonzalez let alone Harrison and Wayne) and Driver and a running game that doesn't concern anyone.
Despite the fact that he should never have said it when still a teammate, Vandajerk was right in criticizing his QB a few years ago. I've never seen him put lesser talent on his overrated shoulders and carry them but I have seen his choking bring down a team with far greater talent than their talent.
And I'm not even going into his off field sexual misconduct problems (though with his penchant for groping asses you couldn't pay me enough to be Jeff Saturday. Kidding I know that it is just women he harrasses.)
Put him on the Giants and I think everyone would see who the better Manning is. Had the Colts gone Leaf instead the Chargers wouldn't have won any more SB's, we just wouldn't be overwhelmed with Peyton Manning commercials. But hey, then we wouldn't have had that funny SNL so....

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[quote=Campbell17;377979]Roethlisberger and Romo are close.[/quote]
It causes me physical pain to admit, but Romo might end up being one of the all time great ones. The touchdown flip while getting drilled against the Giants was sick! And he makes plays like that every game. Hate him, but he is a playmaker.

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[quote=rypper11;378058]I know that I am in the minority with this, but I think Eli's brother is the most overrated player in the history of the NFL. Put any number of NFL QB's on that team with Tom Moore coaching and they have 2 or 3 SB trophies. Look at his numbers with and without Marvin Harrison. Big Ben has Heath Miller (not as good as Dallas Clark) and Hines Ward (no where near Harrison). Palmer is surrounded by guys who aren't as interested in football as they are in their Probation Officers (Bengals most immature team in NFL?). Favre has Jennings (not has good as Stokely or Gonzalez let alone Harrison and Wayne) and Driver and a running game that doesn't concern anyone.
Despite the fact that he should never have said it when still a teammate, Vandajerk was right in criticizing his QB a few years ago. I've never seen him put lesser talent on his overrated shoulders and carry them but I have seen his choking bring down a team with far greater talent than their talent.
And I'm not even going into his off field sexual misconduct problems (though with his penchant for groping asses you couldn't pay me enough to be Jeff Saturday. Kidding I know that it is just women he harrasses.)
Put him on the Giants and I think everyone would see who the better Manning is. Had the Colts gone Leaf instead the Chargers wouldn't have won any more SB's, we just wouldn't be overwhelmed with Peyton Manning commercials. But hey, then we wouldn't have had that funny SNL so....[/quote]Well, who are some other quarterbacks you think are overrated because their weapons are too good? What do they have in common with Manning?

Also, how can you ignore the weapons Brady has now?

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[quote=GTripp0012;378061]Well, who are some other quarterbacks you think are overrated because their weapons are too good? What do they have in common with Manning?

Also, how can you ignore the weapons Brady has now?[/quote]

I think you gotta look at their body of work. Brady has had some serious scrubs and still put up great numbers and won (Caldwell, Patten,etc). McNabb has only ever had one dominating WR and is consistently a top tier QB (sorry Thrash is underrated and one of my favorite players but he's not a top level threat). I think any good qb needs players around him and few guys can succeed with no help. But I can't think of any other qb in history that has been given so much credit for his teammates exceptional talent (a close one might be Gannon in Oakland a few years ago, but even then.)
I'm not saying that he's not been a top fifteen qb every year, just that he's not the best, 2nd best or even top 5 right now.
And this doesn't even take into account that OLine. Put him on the Falcons or Dolphins. Would his QB rating be over 75?

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[quote=rypper11;378058]Despite the fact that he should never have said it when still a teammate, Vandajerk was right in criticizing his QB a few years ago. I've never seen him put lesser talent on his overrated shoulders and carry them but I have seen his choking bring down a team with far greater talent than their talent.[/quote]

So I guess that fact the Colts made it to the playoffs with a bottom tier defense last season had nothing to do with Peyton Manning... or the fact that the Colts have only lost nine games in the last three seasons, with an average or worse defense?

If the only required pieces for a Superbowl victory are great receivers, why haven't the Cardinals, Lions, or Cowboys won a Superbowl recently? Yeah, Peyton sucks... :laughing2

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[quote=rypper11;378058]I know that I am in the minority with this, but I think Eli's brother is the most overrated player in the history of the NFL. Put any number of NFL QB's on that team with Tom Moore coaching and they have 2 or 3 SB trophies. Look at his numbers with and without Marvin Harrison. Big Ben has Heath Miller (not as good as Dallas Clark) and Hines Ward (no where near Harrison). Palmer is surrounded by guys who aren't as interested in football as they are in their Probation Officers (Bengals most immature team in NFL?). Favre has Jennings (not has good as Stokely or Gonzalez let alone Harrison and Wayne) and Driver and a running game that doesn't concern anyone.
Despite the fact that he should never have said it when still a teammate, Vandajerk was right in criticizing his QB a few years ago. I've never seen him put lesser talent on his overrated shoulders and carry them but I have seen his choking bring down a team with far greater talent than their talent.
And I'm not even going into his off field sexual misconduct problems (though with his penchant for groping asses you couldn't pay me enough to be Jeff Saturday. Kidding I know that it is just women he harrasses.)
Put him on the Giants and I think everyone would see who the better Manning is. Had the Colts gone Leaf instead the Chargers wouldn't have won any more SB's, we just wouldn't be overwhelmed with Peyton Manning commercials. But hey, then we wouldn't have had that funny SNL so....[/quote]
What you left off of your equation with Peyton is that they have to get through the Pats to win a SB and if the Pats were not in their way I think he would have one more SB.

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[QUOTE=rypper11;378058]I know that I am in the minority with this, but I think Eli's brother is the most overrated player in the history of the NFL. Put any number of NFL QB's on that team with Tom Moore coaching and they have 2 or 3 SB trophies. Look at his numbers with and without Marvin Harrison. Big Ben has Heath Miller (not as good as Dallas Clark) and Hines Ward (no where near Harrison). [B]Palmer is surrounded by guys who aren't as interested in football as they are in their Probation Officers (Bengals most immature team in NFL?).[/B] Favre has Jennings (not has good as Stokely or Gonzalez let alone Harrison and Wayne) and Driver and a running game that doesn't concern anyone.
Despite the fact that he should never have said it when still a teammate, Vandajerk was right in criticizing his QB a few years ago. I've never seen him put lesser talent on his overrated shoulders and carry them but I have seen his choking bring down a team with far greater talent than their talent.
And I'm not even going into his off field sexual misconduct problems (though with his penchant for groping asses you couldn't pay me enough to be Jeff Saturday. Kidding I know that it is just women he harrasses.)
Put him on the Giants and I think everyone would see who the better Manning is. Had the Colts gone Leaf instead the Chargers wouldn't have won any more SB's, we just wouldn't be overwhelmed with Peyton Manning commercials. But hey, then we wouldn't have had that funny SNL so....[/QUOTE]

Just to clarify, you're talking about the Bengals team and Chris Henry, correct? Because his top two targets never get into any legal trouble.

As for Peyton...I agree he has very good weapons, but I still think he's the passer in the league. I would probably take Tom Brady over him right now, simply based on his leadership and I don't think there's a huge gap in ability, but Peyton is still the best passer and one of the smartest players to ever play the game. While I may be sick of him because he's overexposed, (could he do any more commercials?!) he's still the best there is.

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I don't see how you can say Peyton Manning, a sure-fire first ballot hall of fame qb is overrated based on the fact that his numbers are better with Marvin Harrison than without. I think you might want to consider what Harrison's numbers look like if he had never played with PM.

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In a recent SI player's poll, pretty much everybody picked Peyton as the best player out there. If the guys playing the game think he's the best, I'm not gonna argue with them.

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IMO, this is how I would break it down.

Brady and Peyton are in a tier above everyone else. These guys constantly produce big numbers and have their teams in the hunt every year. Even if you have the tools to win big doesn't mean you always win big, it's how you produce with those tools.

The next tier is guys like Big Ben, Carson, Romo, Favre, Bulger, Hasselbeck, McNabb. Guys who are quality QBs, but are either missing that certain something, or haven't hit their peak yet. Favre is here because of his remarkable season this year, almost like destiny wants him to succeed again, and he's riding the wave.

Then you have the guys like Eli, Rivers, Kitna, Brees, Garcia, Garrard, Campbell, Anderson, Young, Culpepper, Schaub. Guys who show potential, or have had 1 good season but haven't followed it up with much, or are playing in a system that doesn't overexpose their weaknesses.

Then you have guys like Joey Harrington, Byron Leftwich, Damon Huard, Kyle Boller, Brian Griese, Alex Smith. Guys who are serviceable at best, and won't ever amount to much.

Guys like McNair, Warner, Trent Green and Pennington kinda fit somewhere between 2 and 3. Quality QBs that are in the twilight of their careers or at least look like they are on their downward slope or the injury bug has certainly limited their potential. Favre would have been here last year, but certainly not this year.

Obviously, from year to year, a QB can change tiers...some get better (Favre), some get worse (McNair, Leftwich), and some are on their way up (Garrard, Anderson).

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[quote=rypper11;378058]I know that I am in the minority with this, but I think Eli's brother is the most overrated player in the history of the NFL. Put any number of NFL QB's on that team with Tom Moore coaching and they have 2 or 3 SB trophies. Look at his numbers with and without Marvin Harrison. Big Ben has Heath Miller (not as good as Dallas Clark) and Hines Ward (no where near Harrison). Palmer is surrounded by guys who aren't as interested in football as they are in their Probation Officers (Bengals most immature team in NFL?). Favre has Jennings (not has good as Stokely or Gonzalez let alone Harrison and Wayne) and Driver and a running game that doesn't concern anyone.
Despite the fact that he should never have said it when still a teammate, Vandajerk was right in criticizing his QB a few years ago. I've never seen him put lesser talent on his overrated shoulders and carry them but I have seen his choking bring down a team with far greater talent than their talent.
And I'm not even going into his off field sexual misconduct problems (though with his penchant for groping asses you couldn't pay me enough to be Jeff Saturday. Kidding I know that it is just women he harrasses.)
Put him on the Giants and I think everyone would see who the better Manning is. Had the Colts gone Leaf instead the Chargers wouldn't have won any more SB's, we just wouldn't be overwhelmed with Peyton Manning commercials. But hey, then we wouldn't have had that funny SNL so....[/quote]

Pretty worthless argument here if you ask me. Take away any QB's top target and they will struggle. Not sure I get the sexual misconduct stuff, I guess just a lame attempt to be funny?

P. Manning has one of the most impressive QB resumes in NFL history. That simply cannot be disputed.

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1) Tom Brady
2) Peyton Manning
3) HOMO
4) Brett Farve
5) Big Ben

Honorable mention goes out to Derek Anderson, but it's hard to put him into the top five with only a half of season of production.

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Burgundy Glasses firmly in place, I ask: Has Romo really earned top 5 recognition?

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[quote=BleedBurgundy;378112]Burgundy Glasses firmly in place, I ask: Has Romo really earned top 5 recognition?[/quote]

I think a good argument could be made in either direction for him.

Personally I wouldn't put him in the top 5 just yet.

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The guy's played great, no denying that. I just think you need a little more time before you put him in with the elite qbs. I will say that he is well on his way unfortunately.

My Top 5 would be:

1 a Peyton Manning
1 b Tom Brady
3 Favre
4 Roethlisberger
5 Carson Palmer


I think Eli and Romo are on the same level right now, just a notch below top 5... I'd love to see JC get there soon.

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How exactly are we defining "right now" Because if right now means this season then I think Romo definitely has to be in the top 5.

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With my burgundy and gold glasses removed, HOMO is well deserving of the three spot. He is producing every week and has done so ever since he has been the starter. I am definitely not a fan of his. I would love to see Andre Carter knock him into next week.

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[quote=BleedBurgundy;378125]The guy's played great, no denying that. I just think you need a little more time before you put him in with the elite qbs. I will say that he is well on his way unfortunately.

My Top 5 would be:

1 a Peyton Manning
1 b Tom Brady
3 Favre
4 Roethlisberger
5 Carson Palmer


I think Eli and Romo are on the same level right now, just a notch below top 5... I'd love to see JC get there soon.[/quote]

No way is Eli "I Want To Be My Brother" Manning is at the same level as HOMO. Eli is way back in the pack. He is at the same level as Jason Campbell, trying to prove themselves.

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My top 5:

1. Brady
2. P. Manning
3. Palmer
4. Matt Hasselbeck
5. Drew Brees

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;378129]How exactly are we defining "right now" Because if right now means this season then I think Romo definitely has to be in the top 5.[/QUOTE]

I mean right now as in, up to this point in their careers. That's why I'm saying he's not top 5 because I don't think we have the necessary frame of reference to make that arguement.

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Looking at this year, I'd have to admit that I'm dead wrong.

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Favre is, without question, the third best QB right now. The old man is having an incredible season.

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[quote=BDBohnzie;378102]IMO, this is how I would break it down.

Brady and Peyton are in a tier above everyone else. These guys constantly produce big numbers and have their teams in the hunt every year. Even if you have the tools to win big doesn't mean you always win big, it's how you produce with those tools.

The next tier is guys like Big Ben, Carson, Romo, Favre, Bulger, Hasselbeck, McNabb. Guys who are quality QBs, but are either missing that certain something, or haven't hit their peak yet. Favre is here because of his remarkable season this year, almost like destiny wants him to succeed again, and he's riding the wave.

Then you have the guys like Eli, Rivers, Kitna, Brees, Garcia, Garrard, Campbell, Anderson, Young, Culpepper, Schaub. Guys who show potential, or have had 1 good season but haven't followed it up with much, or are playing in a system that doesn't overexpose their weaknesses.

Then you have guys like Joey Harrington, Byron Leftwich, Damon Huard, Kyle Boller, Brian Griese, Alex Smith. Guys who are serviceable at best, and won't ever amount to much.

Guys like McNair, Warner, Trent Green and Pennington kinda fit somewhere between 2 and 3. Quality QBs that are in the twilight of their careers or at least look like they are on their downward slope or the injury bug has certainly limited their potential. Favre would have been here last year, but certainly not this year.

Obviously, from year to year, a QB can change tiers...some get better (Favre), some get worse (McNair, Leftwich), and some are on their way up (Garrard, Anderson).[/quote]

You put Romo on the next tier. I think I'm about to lose my lunch!

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This season only:
1) Brady
2) Roethlisberger
3) P. Manning
4) Romo
5) Farve/Brees

Manning has sliiped with his last two games. Manning has 10 Int's alread this year. Romo has 11.

Top current QB Ratings in the entire NFL:

1) Brady 131.8
2) Roethlisberger 110.2
3) Romo 103

I am still willing to give P. Manning the benefit of the doubt and put him just ahead of Romo. Plus Colts have played a slightly tougher schedule than Dallas.

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Toss up between Carson Palmer, Romo & Big Ben

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Wow. It only took 8 posts to get a Jason Campbell mention with regard to who is the third best QB in the NFL now. I said on another thread that Campbell was the best draft pick of the Gibbs 2.0 era by a wide margin; I think he's developing quickly and very well.

But he's not the 3rd best QB in the NFL now and - truth be told - he's not in the Top Ten either in 2007. Maybe he makes Top Ten in 2008? Maybe he makes Top Three in 2010 or 2011? We can only hope...

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[quote=GTripp0012;378057]I'm still taking Carson Palmer.

His team is struggling this year, but Palmer is the only guy I can think of outside of Brady and Manning who has played at an elite level each of the past three years.[/quote]

I would agree with Palmer. I think before all is said and done he will put up some big numbers and be up there with the very best in NFL history.

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Gotta go with Brett Favre. Putting up huge numbers (again), his team is 8-1, and he already holds a few all time records. Big Ben and Romo (barf) are right up there, as well as Carson. IMO

1)Brady
2)Peyton
3)Favre
4a)Romo
4b)Big Ben
6)Palmer

I'd have Palmer higher up there, but the question was "Who's 3rd best RIGHT NOW." Palmer is the QB of a 3-6 team that's struggling offensively.

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[quote=Mattyk72;378108]Pretty worthless argument here if you ask me. Take away any QB's top target and they will struggle. Not sure I get the sexual misconduct stuff, I guess just a lame attempt to be funny?

P. Manning has one of the most impressive QB resumes in NFL history. That simply cannot be disputed.[/quote]
He was accused of sexually harrassing a female trainer his sophomore year (she was paid by Tennessee and it was dropped) and then another woman said he groped her his junior year several times. It was all he said she said stuff which is why I don't know how much to believe.
My original post also didn't say he sucks or that he isn't great, just not the best in the league. I'd consistently take Favre, Brady or Palmer over him.

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[quote=BleedBurgundy;378095]I don't see how you can say Peyton Manning, a sure-fire first ballot hall of fame qb is overrated based on the fact that his numbers are better with Marvin Harrison than without. I think you might want to consider what Harrison's numbers look like if he had never played with PM.[/quote]
Sure-fire? Like Monk was always considered? Joking of course.