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He needs to come back next year to take us to the promised land. Give him one more year with a nice draft and FA pickups and he will take us to the promised land. Now that we have a QB and everything has changed, hopefully all the doubters will become believers.

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He'll be back.

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Gibbs is going to honor his contract regardless how this season turns out. No worries on that. I agree, I believe we need to keep everything intact.

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Gibbs has said all along that he'll honor his contract. Imagine the team at full health going into next season with the threat that Campbell appears he'll be. Make a solid run to the wild card this year, and next year, we challenge for the division title.

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We do have a QB. Kudos to Gibbs for going out of our way and giving up a future 1st round pick to select him.

That said, Gibbs' in-game ineptitude persists. I think Saunders being here next year is what's critical. Campbell grows increasingly comfortable in this offense.

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This is an awesome topic for a thread IMO, I totally agree we have a lot of young talent, we are still gelling after 4 years which is a bit frustrating, but it looks like we could be very very good next year.

On the other hand, we have a lot of holes in this team to worry about, and it might take more then one more offseason to become elite. This is what we need:

Young Solid O-lineman including at least one good starter and a couple solid backups (Stephon Heyer may develop into one of them)

A young shutdown corner

A DE that can do it all, and especially get more pressure on opposing QB's (Andre Carter is good, but not great, I'd like a D end that both forces the opposition to run the other direction, and pressures, hits, and sacks qb's all game)

A tall, strong, athletic WR to compliment moss and randel el

That is a lot to ask for in an offseason, our biggest concern has to be to sure up our Oline, if we can at least accomplish that then we will be a very potent offense next year, and will have a shot to go deep in the playoffs, but I think it will take two more years for this team to be elite, but as long as JC is healthy this team is going on to bigger and better things!

In conclusion I say if we make a serious run for the NFC title next year but fall short Gibbs should even come back for a 6th season, I think we're FINALLY on the right track and it is Joe Gibbs' doing.

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Amazing how when we play it out to the en, yet still lose to Dallas, we love Gibbs, yet when we dominated Philly for the majority of the game, we're bitchin about how Gibbs has gotta go. Personally, I think he should stay, at least 1 more year, keep our draft picks, and make some good selections in April. Maybe we could get Jansen a non-injury set of armor, and we're set.

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A year under Campbell's belt should cut fumbling and interceptions and stop losing the close games

Defense held Dallas to good enough score according to their previous games
even losing secondary stars except TO scores
Daniels played a game and the fumble and interception by Campbell hurt
Dallas in December coming and Campbell should be better then

[QUOTE=hurrykaine;380073]We do have a QB. Kudos to Gibbs for going out of our way and giving up a future 1st round pick to select him.

That said, Gibbs' in-game ineptitude persists. I think Saunders being here next year is what's critical. Campbell grows increasingly comfortable in this offense.[/QUOTE]

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[QUOTE=Campbell17;380101]Amazing how when we play it out to the en, yet still lose to Dallas, we love Gibbs, yet when we dominated Philly for the majority of the game, we're bitchin about how Gibbs has gotta go. Personally, I think he should stay, at least 1 more year, keep our draft picks, and make some good selections in April. Maybe we could get Jansen a non-injury set of armor, and we're set.[/QUOTE]

Not sure I would go as far as to say we love Gibbs. Many on here do, but a growing number feel his in-game decision-making ineptitude is rather troubling. Had we won last week, this game would not have been as relevant since the Cowboys were already running away with the division.

Al Saunders staying on next year is absolutely critical.

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[quote=hurrykaine;380118]Not sure I would go as far as to say we love Gibbs. Many on here do, but a growing number feel his in-game decision-making ineptitude is rather troubling. Had we won last week, this game would not have been as relevant since the Cowboys were already running away with the division.

[B]Al Saunders staying on next year is absolutely critical.[/B][/quote]For the sake of Campbell's continued development, I totally agree. Starting over with a new OC would delay Campbell IMO.

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[QUOTE=rk3025;380114]A year under Campbell's belt should cut fumbling and interceptions and stop losing the close games

Defense held Dallas to good enough score according to their previous games
even losing secondary stars except TO scores
Daniels played a game and the fumble and interception by Campbell hurt
Dallas in December coming and Campbell should be better then[/QUOTE]

That fumble was not Campbell's fault IMO. The INT was a bad play. Sooner or later, we have to see results from Campbell, though. He's got to deliver us a win, otherwise it'll be meaningless to keep talking about his potential.

Hit receivers in stride (like he hit Cooley today) for a TD. We need more of that.

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It's funny that outside of the Warpath there is little belief (based on the evidence) that Gibbs is a big positive force for this team. The truth is that because of the staff structure it's very hard to know who is responsible for what, which is often evident on gameday. That said, I think the structure needs to change significantly for next season. Maybe that means Gibbs retires as I've suggested. Maybe it means Saunders goes instead. I don't really know the answer at this point, but what I do know is that whatever was tried this year was a flop. The only reason we lost the game by 5 pts today instead of 30 is because the ball was put in JC's hands. It doesn't take the "genius" of Gibbs and/or Saunders to simply put the f'n ball into the hands of the qb. Their combined genius is what we saw through most of the season up to the Eagles game: conservative, predictable, out-of-sync playcalling.

Anyway, I understand how some folks don't want Gibbs to leave, and I understand how other folks think Saunders is more important. What seems obvious to me is that things haven't worked out so well when the two have tried to put their heads together for the offensive strategy. Millions of dollars to a couple of offensive-minded coaches and the best results come when they finally just let the qb (who is awesome) run the show? Call it overcoaching, call it overcomplication, call it whatever, but the scheme Gibbs/Saunders envisioned, and what they stuck w/ through the first half of the season, is a dud and I hope to hell they don't try it again next season.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;380059]He needs to come back next year to take us to the promised land. Give him one more year with a nice draft and FA pickups and he will take us to the promised land. Now that we have a QB and everything has changed, hopefully all the doubters will become believers.[/quote]

I am not real happy with Joe, but I think this is a great thread. I will be more than happy to have him sign another 5 year contract. Unless he says I'm out and I need to go retire again he is and always will be the best man for the job. Joe Gibbs is a legit football general and there are so very few out there.

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Kudo Kudo Kudo and get another ring

[QUOTE=wilsowilso;380130]I am not real happy with Joe, but I think this is a great thread. I will be more than happy to have him sign another 5 year contract. Unless he says I'm out and I need to go retire again he is and always will be the best man for the job.[/QUOTE]

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[QUOTE=MTRedskinsFan;380128]It's funny that outside of the Warpath there is little belief (based on the evidence) that Gibbs is a big positive force for this team. The truth is that because of the staff structure it's very hard to know who is responsible for what, which is often evident on gameday. That said, I think the structure needs to change significantly for next season. Maybe that means Gibbs retires as I've suggested. Maybe it means Saunders goes instead. I don't really know the answer at this point, but what I do know is that whatever was tried this year was a flop. The only reason we lost the game by 5 pts today instead of 30 is because the ball was put in JC's hands. It doesn't take the "genius" of Gibbs and/or Saunders to simply put the f'n ball into the hands of the qb. Their combined genius is what we saw through most of the season up to the Eagles game: conservative, predictable, out-of-sync playcalling.

Anyway, I understand how some folks don't want Gibbs to leave, and I understand how other folks think Saunders is more important. What seems obvious to me is that things haven't worked out so well when the two have tried to put their heads together for the offensive strategy. Millions of dollars to a couple of offensive-minded coaches and the best results come when they finally just let the qb (who is awesome) run the show? Call it overcoaching, call it overcomplication, call it whatever, but the scheme Gibbs/Saunders envisioned, and what they stuck w/ through the first half of the season, is a dud and I hope to hell they don't try it again next season.[/QUOTE]

I know this started out as a positive "why we need Gibbs thread" instead of the usual "Gibbs must go" thread that emerges after a loss.

IMO, Gibbs is a positive influence on the team to the extent that he commands player respect and gets the players to believe in what we're doing. Almost any other coach, and our bunch would've mailed it in for the season.

Gibbs has also assembled a coaching staff that couldn't possibly be assembled without his presence. Should Gibbs be gone next year, would Saunders stay? Not sure, unless he was offered the head coaching job. Bugel would almost certainly retire as well. I think Saunders staying on next year is critical to our success, given Campbell's familiarity and comfort executing the offense.

If Saunders staying is dependent upon Gibbs staying, then I'm all for Gibbs staying. Gibbs without Saunders would be useless.

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[quote=Mattyk72;380066]He'll be back.[/quote]

I really hope your right.

But IMO I do thank that decision will be made depending on how we finish these last 6 games.

I think we are really on to something here the offense is rockin with JC at the helm, if he could and will take away that one or two really bad plays per game. Like today inside 1:40 in the 4th ball on there 19 and a horrible decision throw a pick it looked to me like JC could have took off and if not scored at least got the first, take that interception away. We SHOULD be sitting at 6-4. Another game we SHOULD have won.

Even with the defensive woes.

Back to topic, I really hope Joe rides out the 5 year deal. IMO we ride off to a hell of a finish this season. Next season LIGHTS OUT BALL, and he rides off next season with a SUPER BOWL RING for our beloved REDSKINS!

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;380059]He needs to come back next year to take us to the promised land. Give him one more year with a nice draft and FA pickups and he will take us to the promised land. Now that we have a QB and everything has changed, hopefully all the doubters will become believers.[/quote]

I hope he retires. Can someone please explain why you try a 50 yard fg when you have 4th and 1? Have some damn confidence in the players you brought in here to pick up one yard. If I believe we had two 4th and ones and he didn't go for either one.

When you are on the road, against a better team that is going to score you don't play for 3 points. It's just stupid.

As much as I love the guy he needs to hang it up.

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Hindsight right? Of course, go for it and don't get the 1st then lose by 2 and he's still an idiot. On the road in a hostile environment is exactly when you don't go on 4th and 1. Not only can too much go wrong but the boost you'd give them by failing is too huge to outweigh the possible positive of picking up the 1st.
On the road in a close game, take any points you think you can get.

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;380148]I hope he retires. Can someone please explain why you try a 50 yard fg when you have 4th and 1? Have some damn confidence in the players you brought in here to pick up one yard. If I believe we had two 4th and ones and he didn't go for either one.

When you are on the road, against a better team that is going to score you don't play for 3 points. It's just stupid.[/QUOTE]

I agree - pi$$ poor nutless decision not to go for that 4th and 1 in the second q. Typical of Gibbs 2.0. The missed field goal gave Dallas great field position and set them up for their first points of the evening. Once they tasted blood, they capitalized.

If Gibbs returning meant Saunders returning, and Campbell getting stellar at running this offense, and it kept Greg Williams' head coaching ambitions in check for another year, would you be for it?

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[QUOTE=rypper11;380150]Hindsight right? Of course, go for it and don't get the 1st then lose by 2 and he's still an idiot. On the road in a hostile environment is exactly when you don't go on 4th and 1. Not only can too much go wrong but the boost you'd give them by failing is too huge to outweigh the possible positive of picking up the 1st.
On the road in a close game, take any points you think you can get.[/QUOTE]

Disagree. Of course, Gibbs 2.0 thinks exactly as you've stated.

On the road is where you send a message that you've come to play and challenge the bitches. If this was a 4th and 1 from the Dallas 20 yd line, at least you could reasonably argue that you could bank on Suisham for 3 points.

How's the boost you give them by failing on a 4th and 1 any more than the boost you give them by missing a field goal?

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[quote=hurrykaine;380151]I agree - pi$$ poor nutless decision not to go for that 4th and 1 in the second q. Typical of Gibbs 2.0. The missed field goal gave Dallas great field position and set them up for their first points of the evening. Once they tasted blood, they capitalized.

If Gibbs returning meant Saunders returning, and Campbell getting stellar at running this offense, and it kept Greg Williams' head coaching ambitions in check for another year, would you be for it?[/quote]

I'm for it. But eventually we need to get someone in here who plays a little more aggressive than Gibbs does. It's just the same old shit week after week. He had to see that the defense was having a hard time and FG's was not going to cut it. We had 2 4th and ones and he didn't go for it either time.

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[quote=rypper11;380150]Hindsight right? Of course, go for it and don't get the 1st then lose by 2 and he's still an idiot. On the road in a hostile environment is exactly when you don't go on 4th and 1. Not only can too much go wrong but the boost you'd give them by failing is too huge to outweigh the possible positive of picking up the 1st.
On the road in a close game, take any points you think you can get.[/quote]

It's a freakin yard. FG's are not good enough to beat Dallas.

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WOW, just WOW.

You Skins fans flip flop sides faster than John Kerry. Last week, there were numerous threads calling for Gibbs's head and now almost everyone wants him back. You guys are one game back in the Wild Card hunt.

Maybe this is how most NFL fans are, but unless a coach is constantly losing, I try to give him the benefit of the doubt.

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[quote=TheBigD;380174]WOW, just WOW.

You Skins fans flip flop sides faster than John Kerry. Last week, there were numerous threads calling for Gibbs's head and now almost everyone wants him back. You guys are one game back in the Wild Card hunt.

Maybe this is how most NFL fans are, but unless a coach is constantly losing, I try to give him the benefit of the doubt.[/quote]

We live in an kneejerk society, and this discussion board is a prime example of that. Win or lose, being a football fan is great fun!

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[quote=TheBigD;380174]You Skins fans flip flop sides faster than John Kerry. Last week, there were numerous threads calling for Gibbs's head and now almost everyone wants him back. [quote]

Dallas fans filp flop between an uncontrolled urge to wear thongs 24-7 and the even greater urge to shave themselves bald and play with each others junk , but deep down you just don't like looking in the mirror on Monday morning when Tex calls you into the office and makes you lick his crack just after he makes the rounds at the oil field. That deep rooted shame is your business and it's not like we try and call you out on it, but don't be an ass.

Joe Gibbs has struggled in his second term. Sucks for us. If you want to ask yourself about the old flip-flop what about the fact that Dallas will one day put TO in it's ring of fame. Sad. That's just so absurd after he danced on your star that I don't even know what to say. I guess taking one for the team means something different in bitch town.

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[quote=wilsowilso;380177]

Dallas fans filp flop between an uncontrolled urge to wear thongs 24-7 and the even greater urge to shave themselves bald and play with each others junk , but deep down you just don't like looking in the mirror on Monday morning when Tex calls you into the office and makes you lick his crack just after he makes the rounds at the oil field. That deep rooted shame is your business and it's not like we try and call you out on it, but don't be an ass.[/quote]What is your problem? I was trying to say that you guys should get more respect from fans and should be back next year.

[quote] Joe Gibbs has struggled in his second term. Sucks for us. If you want to ask yourself about the old flip-flop what about the fact that Dallas will one day put TO in it's ring of fame. Sad. That's just so absurd after he danced on your star that I don't even know what to say. I guess taking one for the team means something different in bitch town.[/quote]Love or hate him, TO is a great player who will get into the HOF one day. As for the ring of honor, that is not decided by fans so I don't know how I will feel when they do.

Try to take it easy though, your team showed more positive signs in this game than any of those 5 wins IMO.

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[QUOTE=hurrykaine;380142]I know this started out as a positive "why we need Gibbs thread" instead of the usual "Gibbs must go" thread that emerges after a loss.

IMO, Gibbs is a positive influence on the team to the extent that he commands player respect and gets the players to believe in what we're doing. Almost any other coach, and our bunch would've mailed it in for the season.

Gibbs has also assembled a coaching staff that couldn't possibly be assembled without his presence. [B]Should Gibbs be gone next year, would Saunders stay? Not sure, unless he was offered the head coaching job. Bugel would almost certainly retire as well. I think Saunders staying on next year is critical to our success, given Campbell's familiarity and comfort executing the offense.

If Saunders staying is dependent upon Gibbs staying, then I'm all for Gibbs staying. Gibbs without Saunders would be useless.[/QUOTE][/B]

I don't follow your logic here for a couple of reasons. When Gibbs brought in GW it was understood he was in line next for the main job. Why would Saunders agree to come in, knowing that, and then leave when he actually has the opportunity to run the offense w/o any outside influence (assuming Gibbs leaves)? That makes no sense. If anything Saunders stock has fallen some and he would like to prove he can create the kind of production everyone witnessed back in KC.

Second, the offense has looked "confused" until they put the ball in JC's hands. A lot of folks blame the confusion on the fact that Gibbs/Saunders were trying to somehow compromise in the gameplan - Saunders might call the plays but then Gibbs would admit in a press conference that he regularly influences the playcalling. Result: lack of cohesion, gameplan constantly was out of sync. So my argument is let one guy or the other do the friggin job w/o the confusion. Again, some guys think Gibbs should take control, I've long thought Saunders should take control. But is sounds like you're making the argument that they go best together. Didn't the first half of the season prove otherwise?

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[quote=TheBigD;380181]What is your problem? I was trying to say that you guys should get more respect from fans and should be back next year.[/quote]

It's already hard enough for any of us to debate whether such a Redskin icon has lost his touch, but for you to point it out is rubbing it in. You are saying that we are not quality fans if we question our coach. I just pointed to the fact that Cowboy fans don't seem to question and or answer the age old question of how much is your soul worth if you are going to sell it.

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If the Skins dont make the playoffs Gibbs wont be back.

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[QUOTE=TheBigD;380174]WOW, just WOW.

You Skins fans flip flop sides faster than John Kerry. Last week, there were numerous threads calling for Gibbs's head and now almost everyone wants him back. You guys are one game back in the Wild Card hunt.

Maybe this is how most NFL fans are, but unless a coach is constantly losing, I try to give him the benefit of the doubt.[/QUOTE]


It's not that Skins fans flip flop in general, but that there are just some skins fans who won't be happy with anything we do unless we go undefeated and win the Super Bowl. I, for one, have supported Joe Gibbs and will continue to support him as long as he is our head coach. Even when we do win, he gets no credit, but all of the blame for when we lose. In short, we have skins fans who look at the big picture, and skins fans who are too short sighted to look past 15 minutes ago.

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[quote=irish;380224]If the Skins dont make the playoffs Gibbs wont be back.[/quote]

This statement is just plain CRAZY! He will come back regardless if they make the playoffs. No way Danny fires him, it would be mutiny to fire the greatest coach in Redskin history and certainly he will not quit. Quit is not in Gibbs blood.

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[QUOTE=jbcjr14;380254]This statement is just plain CRAZY! He will come back regardless if they make the playoffs. No way Danny fires him, it would be mutiny to fire the greatest coach in Redskin history and certainly he will not quit. Quit is not in Gibbs blood.[/QUOTE]

Danny wont fire him (he doesnt have the balls) but they will reach an agreement where Gibbs steps aside.

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[QUOTE=irish;380273]Danny wont fire him (he doesnt have the balls) but they will reach an agreement where Gibbs steps aside.[/QUOTE]

This is what I think personally will happen. I just see him stepping down, which really sucks cause I feel like we are just a year away. I don't want to start over with a new coach, with new personnel, etc.

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With the way JC is coming along, I think Gibbs is going to want to stick around for another season regardless of what happens with the rest of this year.

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[quote=irish;380273]Danny wont fire him (he doesnt have the balls) but they will reach an agreement where Gibbs steps aside.[/quote]
[quote=BleedBurgundy;380280]This is what I think personally will happen. I just see him stepping down, which really sucks cause I feel like we are just a year away. I don't want to start over with a new coach, with new personnel, etc.[/quote]

I don't think that will happen. "Danny" is a business man and with Gibbs, Business couldn't get better.

If Gibbs is not the coach next year, you can be sure he was fired. Gibbs seems like the person who would honor his word let alone a contract.

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[QUOTE=BleedBurgundy;380280]This is what I think personally will happen. I just see him stepping down, which really sucks cause I feel like we are just a year away. I don't want to start over with a new coach, with new personnel, etc.[/QUOTE]

Even if Gibbs stays around for 1 more year he's gone the year after that and its start over time again. I really hope the Skin's next head coach is less than 60 years old. Actually I'd like to see him be younger than 40.

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[QUOTE=MTRedskinsFan;380190][/B]

I don't follow your logic here for a couple of reasons. When Gibbs brought in GW it was understood he was in line next for the main job. Why would Saunders agree to come in, knowing that, and then leave when he actually has the opportunity to run the offense w/o any outside influence (assuming Gibbs leaves)? That makes no sense. If anything Saunders stock has fallen some and he would like to prove he can create the kind of production everyone witnessed back in KC.

Second, the offense has looked "confused" until they put the ball in JC's hands. A lot of folks blame the confusion on the fact that Gibbs/Saunders were trying to somehow compromise in the gameplan - Saunders might call the plays but then Gibbs would admit in a press conference that he regularly influences the playcalling. Result: lack of cohesion, gameplan constantly was out of sync. So my argument is let one guy or the other do the friggin job w/o the confusion. Again, some guys think Gibbs should take control, I've long thought Saunders should take control. But is sounds like you're making the argument that they go best together. Didn't the first half of the season prove otherwise?[/QUOTE]

Would Saunders stay on in a scenario where Greg Williams was head coach? If he does, great. However, we would lose Bugel and then we'd have to hunt for a new O-line coach. If Gibbs leaving does not jeopardize offensive continuity in any way, then I'm all for him retiring.

I am not advocating that Gibbs and Saunders collaboratively run the offense - that has been and would be disastrous as you point out. Would be great if we could have a cardboard cut-out of Gibbs on the sideline to keep coaching egos in check and turn over 4th and 1 type decisions to Saunders.

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I really think if Joe retires after this year that we should get another head coach. I don't think that Gregg Williams or Al Saunders would make a good head coaches. I'm not sure who is out there to coach but I think we could find someone better than one of our coordinators.

As for the play calling. I would like to see Saunders start to take over. He is the offensive "genius" with the 700 page playbook. Why not let him take over the duty?

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;380285]With the way JC is coming along, I think Gibbs is going to want to stick around for another season regardless of what happens with the rest of this year.[/QUOTE]

I suspect Gibbs will stay on as head coach for at least one more year. After that, who knows. But I don't think he cares as much about what he does as head coach. I'm sure I'm wording this wrong so I don't want it to come across as he doesn't care. That's not the case at all. Obviously he cares. But his legacy as a head coach is firmly entrenched (should be at least). I suspect what is more important personally to him is leaving a positive legacy as a personnel man (and hopefully people can stop saying "well he picked Desmond Howard"). He left the Redskins with virtually nothing last time in terms of personnel.

While all of us no doubt want him to win another Super Bowl with Gibbs at HC, imagine if we won it with say Bruce Arians at HC and could say the team key players on the team (Campbell, Portis, Heyer, Montgomery, Blades, Landry, etc) was put together by Joe Gibbs, President.

But anyway, he should do what he wants. He's entitled to that.