Calvin Johnson a bust?
 

402 yards on only 24 receptions, and 3 tds. People predicted him to be well over 1000 yards, 70+ receptions and close to 10 td's.
He's had a lot of drops this year too.

Bust or not?

Re: Calvin Johnson a bust?
 

Nah, far too early to call him a bust plus he's been injured..

Re: Calvin Johnson a bust?
 

[QUOTE=Paintrain;381385]Nah, far too early to call him a bust plus he's been injured..[/QUOTE]

Still, today is his 10th game, everyone gets "injured", if you are that bad, you need to sit.
While I am not going to call his career a bust, his rookie season is certainly a bust considering his high expectations.

Re: Calvin Johnson a bust?
 

i was in the minority when i said the skins should pass on Johnson if he was available. while it is way too early to call anyone a bust, he hasn't made the impact that some around thought.

Re: Calvin Johnson a bust?
 

[QUOTE=dmek25;381391]i was in the minority when i said the skins should pass on Johnson if he was available. while it is way too early to call anyone a bust, he hasn't made the impact that some around thought.[/QUOTE]

I agree, and if you recall, I was with you in thinking we should pass as well.

Re: Calvin Johnson a bust?
 

Can you say Kitna and a porous offensive line? I know he dropped a few but just wait.

Re: Calvin Johnson a bust?
 

Hell no he's not a bust. It usually takes at least a season or 2 before a wide receiver really starts to come into his own. Look at Braylon Edwards, he was drafted 3 years ago and he has finally jsut now become an elite receiver. Give him time, he could easily be the best receiver in football in a couple of years.

Re: Calvin Johnson a bust?
 

No, Roy Williams is playing pretty good, Shaun McDonald has stepped up pretty big, and Mike Furrey is getting balls thrown to him. The Lions are spreading the ball and for a rookie 402 yards thus far isn't bad and there are 5 more games to go. Not every rookie WR can step up and ball. If Johnson ends up with 700 yards and 5 TDs that's a pretty good first season if you ask me.

In their first seasons:
Jerry Rice - 927 yards and 3 TDs.
TO - 520 yards and 3 TDs.
Marvin Harrison - 836 yards and 8 TDs.
Reggie Wyne - 345 yards and 0 TDs.
...and so on, and so on.

You won't find too many WR who tore it up in their first season in the NFL (Randy Moss seems to be the lone exception I can recall). If Johnson works hard in the upcoming off-season he is going to destroy DBs (ala jump ball football).

Re: Calvin Johnson a bust?
 

[QUOTE=saden1;381416]In their first seasons:
Jerry Rice - 927 yards and 3 TDs.
TO - 520 yards and 3 TDs.
Marvin Harrison - 836 yards and 8 TDs.
Reggie Wyne - 345 yards and 0 TDs.
...and so on, and so on.[/QUOTE]

Don't forget our Arthur Monk

58 797 13.7 3

Re: Calvin Johnson a bust?
 

Typically WRs take a while to bloom, just the way that position is. Rarely you'll get someone like Randy Moss to light it up, but typically they're not quick on things like that.

Re: Calvin Johnson a bust?
 

Not worth the 2nd pick. It's been awhile to say the least since a receiver has justified being taken 2nd overall.

Re: Calvin Johnson a bust?
 

LOL, Jsarno you crack me up. I love your shtick.

Re: Calvin Johnson a bust?
 

I was never sold on Johnson. I even got into trouble about my sig regarding Johnson before the draft.

I love it when I turn out to be right.

I do think that Detroit was a good spot for him to land. He is going to have the best opportunity to be successful there. However, as far as this season is concerned he is pretty much the non factor that I suspected he would be.

Re: Calvin Johnson a bust?
 

this is rediculous. it always takes WR a little longer to become great. he will be dominate in 2 years. a T.O. -randy moss type reciever.

Re: Calvin Johnson a bust?
 

[QUOTE=dall-assblows;381431]this is rediculous. it always takes WR a little longer to become great. he will be dominate in 2 years. a T.O. -randy moss type reciever.[/QUOTE]

theres some grammar cops on here that will let u have it for your spelling of
ridiculous,lol
but i agree,most are not impact players their first yr but theyre are always exceptions,Andre Johnson of the Texans stands out to me since I'm in houston,but i dont know what his first yr stats are

Re: Calvin Johnson a bust?
 

I looked up his stats
2005 Houston 63 rec for 688 yrds,not real impressive unless you consider it was david carr passing to him!l lol
plus with his off line he never had time to pass

Re: Calvin Johnson a bust?
 

[QUOTE=saden1;381416]No, Roy Williams is playing pretty good, Shaun McDonald has stepped up pretty big, and Mike Furrey is getting balls thrown to him. The Lions are spreading the ball and for a rookie 402 yards thus far isn't bad and there are 5 more games to go. Not every rookie WR can step up and ball. If Johnson ends up with 700 yards and 5 TDs that's a pretty good first season if you ask me.

In their first seasons:
Jerry Rice - 927 yards and 3 TDs.
TO - 520 yards and 3 TDs.
Marvin Harrison - 836 yards and 8 TDs.
Reggie Wyne - 345 yards and 0 TDs.
...and so on, and so on.

You won't find too many WR who tore it up in their first season in the NFL (Randy Moss seems to be the lone exception I can recall). If Johnson works hard in the upcoming off-season he is going to destroy DBs (ala jump ball football).[/QUOTE]

WHile you make a good point, has any of those players been hyped like Johnson? In fact, has ANY WR been hyped like Johnson ever?

Re: Calvin Johnson a bust?
 

[QUOTE=djnemo65;381423]LOL, Jsarno you crack me up. I love your shtick.[/QUOTE]

Thank you! :D

Re: Calvin Johnson a bust?
 

[QUOTE=jsarno;381438]WHile you make a good point, has any of those players been hyped like Johnson? In fact, has ANY WR been hyped like Johnson ever?[/QUOTE]

yeah,brandon lloyd when we signed him!!:smashfrea
:lol:

Re: Calvin Johnson a bust?
 

Calvin is gonna be good, he seems a little slow, and it will take a while for him to click with the QB in a timing passing offense like the lions have. At Gtech they just chucked the ball down the sideline to him....he will get good if he stays healthy. This is silly to call someone a bust in their 10th game as a pro, or probably less than that due to injury.

Re: Calvin Johnson a bust?
 

I think he'll be good. But I was definitely one of the ones who wanted Johnson if he was there. In fact, I remember going back forth with Dmek prior to draft day.

Anyway, looks like the Skins made the right pick with Laron Landry; really pleased with him. From what I saw yesterday, Johnson isn't running good pass routes. He and Kitna have a lot of work to do in the offseason.

Re: Calvin Johnson a bust?
 

[QUOTE=12thMan;381471]I think he'll be good. But I was definitely one of the ones who wanted Johnson if he was there. In fact, I remember going back forth with Dmek prior to draft day.

Anyway, looks like the Skins made the right pick with Laron Landry; really pleased with him. [B]From what I saw yesterday, Johnson isn't running good pass routes.[/B] He and Kitna have a lot of work to do in the offseason.[/QUOTE]

I agree, he looked somewhat rusty yesterday. I know he has been hurt earlier in the season, but that was way earlier. Either is ankle is still hurting him or he just needs a lot of work.

I really think that the NFL has been the hardest to adjust to than any other first rounder than Johnson, he used to just have to run a post route to the endzone and stand there, now he can't do that and he actually has to run routes and play against people who can actually match up to him physically.

Re: Calvin Johnson a bust?
 

[quote=Cowell;381475]I agree, he looked somewhat rusty yesterday. I know he has been hurt earlier in the season, but that was way earlier. Either is ankle is still hurting him or he just needs a lot of work.

I really think that the NFL has been the hardest to adjust to than any other first rounder than Johnson, he used to just have to run a post route to the endzone and stand there, now he can't do that and he actually has to run routes and play against people who can actually match up to him physically.[/quote]


I agree that he's had hardest time adjusting, but I don't totally buy that it takes time for WR to adjust to the NFL. Marcus Colston had an excellent season in his rookie year. And there are a few around the league this year that are holding their own.

I think in the NFL, no matter what the position, you get out of it what you put into it. Plain and simple.

Re: Calvin Johnson a bust?
 

Not a bust. Although next year his numbers need to at least double.

Re: Calvin Johnson a bust?
 

[quote=12thMan;381476]I agree that he's had hardest time adjusting, but I don't totally buy that it takes time for WR to adjust to the NFL. Marcus Colston had an excellent season in his rookie year. And there are a few around the league this year that are holding their own.

I think in the NFL, no matter what the position, you get out of it what you put into it. Plain and simple.[/quote]Colston is a huge exception. Most WRs take at least 2-3 years to adjust to the NFL, and many drafted in the first round flame out altogether. Johnson has been injured most of this season. He will be a force in this league. If it doesn't happen for him in Detroit, I'd love to see him get a shot here. I'm sure Campbell would find a way to get him the ball, especially in the red zone.

Re: Calvin Johnson a bust?
 

[quote=SouperMeister;381493]Colston is a huge exception. Most WRs take at least 2-3 years to adjust to the NFL, and many drafted in the first round flame out altogether. Johnson has been injured most of this season. He will be a force in this league. If it doesn't happen for him in Detroit, I'd love to see him get a shot here. I'm sure Campbell would find a way to get him the ball, especially in the red zone.[/quote]

I agree with you about Colston, but look at Dwayne Bowe (Chiefs) and James Jones (Green Bay) are WR that have been more productive than CJ this year, and there are a few others on his tail.

Also, we are talking about a guy that was taken number two in the entire draft - number two! So when people are talking about bust, I think they are saying that in context. Yes, he may be good but was he "number two" good?

Re: Calvin Johnson a bust?
 

umm, did alot of you forget Roy Williams is the man there and furrey with mcdonald just take away even more for CJ to take off yet. he also has a back injury thats been lingering since week 4 i believe. By keeping furrey and signing mcdonald and not trading Roy... it says to me that they didnt expect CJ to be an elite force as of yet. And last, kitna barely has time with their o-line mixed in with martz's system. so alot of you are just typing football ignorance.

Re: Calvin Johnson a bust?
 

He has done a decent job for a rookie and is not a bust. He had a few drops against the Packers, but made plenty of catches and took a hell of a beating in making up for his first half miscues. He will be a solid WR in a couple seasons. Everyone nowadays expects a 1st round rookie to be a megastar right away, but that is totally buying into the hype and is unrealistic.

Re: Calvin Johnson a bust?
 

CJ is a good guy too with a strong work ethic. I think a lot of the time these receivers come into the league with an attitude and then don't put the work in needed to elevate their game. With CJ that won't be the case.

Re: Calvin Johnson a bust?
 

Too early to tell about Johnson. I saw him make some great catches on Thanksgiving . . . the guy's got talent. Plus, it usually takes 2-3 years before a receiver gets used to the NFL's tighter coverages. RBs, for some reason, are able to make impacts as rookies. It's rare for a rookie receiver to do that.

Re: Calvin Johnson a bust?
 

Way too early to be even having this conversation. He's a rookie, and he's been banged up with a back problem. Let's revisit this in 2-3 years.

Re: Calvin Johnson a bust?
 

Those 3 TDs he's gotten are more than all of the Redskin WRs for this year. Are all of them "a bust"?

Re: Calvin Johnson a bust?
 

[QUOTE=sportscurmudgeon;383331]Those 3 TDs he's gotten are more than all of the Redskin WRs for this year. Are all of them "a bust"?[/QUOTE]

Why do people such as yourself make comments without knowing it as fact?

Thrash 2 tds
Moss 1 td
McCardell 1 td

That's 4 tds total.

That being said, I am not comparing him to anyone. I probably should have used the word "overhyped" cause many, including a ton of people here thought he would put up Jerry Rice type numbers THIS YEAR. I have never seen a more overhyped WR come out of college.

Re: Calvin Johnson a bust?
 

jsarno:

Using your numbers which must necessarily be perfectly researched, Calvin Johnson has 3 TDs. No Redskin WR has more than 2 TDs.

So I ask again: Are all of the Redskins WRs busts? Or are you one who believes that all of them are brilliant and transcendant players? Here's the right answer: The Redskins' WRs are a mediocre bunch; if they were all making mediocre money and taking up mediocre cap space, they'd be adequate. But they are clogging up the cap room when you compare their cap space to their production.

Calvin Johnson would replace any and all of the WRs on the Redskins team if the Skins could sign him this afternoon - - which they can't.

Is Calvin Johnson a bust? Not based on what he's done so far.

Is Calvin Johnson a perennial all-Pro player? Not based on what he's done so far.