Is Jason Campbell Accountable for this Loss?
 

I don't think JC ought to get a free pass, no matter how poorly the offense played in the first half.

He's had the opportunity to win us the last two games, and wasn't up to it. The same dumb throw 3 times in the last two games.

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He is solely responsible for this loss!! and pretty much responsible for the Dallas loss.

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[quote=tomo366;382466]He is solely responsible for this loss!! and pretty much responsible for the Dallas loss.[/quote]

Not sure how you can say solely when there were 4 other turnovers that weren't his fault.

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He is responsible for 1 fumble and two picks.

Portis is responsible for 2 fumbles.

And Moss for one.

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A free pass? No. I just feel like with a young QB you have to expect picks. It's going to happen. I feel Portis and Moss are much more at fault for this game than Campbell. If we'd stop putting him in this position it wouldn't be that bad.

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Moss, Portis, Campbell. Campbell is young and learning the hard way. 2 weeks in a row and 2 critical drives in a row. I still believe in him and this will make him a better QB because of it. Not having Sellers today kind of hurt on the 4th try were Portis was shut down.

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two weeks in a row cambell lost the game. three of the six turnovers were his.

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I'd still rather see him out there making mistakes, he needs to learn.

And no, I don't put the loss on him. I put a horrendous first half that spotted TB 19 points, a terrible call on 4th on short and some bad passes by Campbell.

As for "the same dumb pass 3 weeks in a row," let's see...a route that where Antwaan invites the corner in front of him, a great play by Ronde to disguise his coverage on another short pass, and a ball he definitely shouldn't have thrown, at least not to Santana Moss. All of them are very different mistakes...

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I saw portis and moss fumble too, however not in the second half. Campbell is the face of this offense and should be able to close these games out especially given the opportunities he had. I like him, but yes, i blame him.

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Although we had a bad first half, this is the second game in a row that Jason has made bad decisions to loose the game. At the end of the Dallas game he threw 3 bad passes the last one being an interception. I need a drink.

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no he is not. joe gibbs is. why in the hell did we not kick the field goal when we were at the three yard line. we can not expect JC to lead us to late game rallies every game. we should of been able to kick the tying field goal and took it to OT. the bucs had no offense all game. yea they were bad throws, but thats not what lost the game. shitty play calling in the first half, and that shitty call on fourth and 1 from the two was a dumb call.

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Campbell is responsible for losing it in the final seconds. The entire game loss wasn't his fault, it was a team loss. Like someone else said, Campbell can't keep trying to pull the entire team out of a slouch game after game.

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Campbell loses it when we can win... so from this aspect yes ALOT of it falls on him

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seems like he always throws to the first option, no matter if the receiver is double or triple covered, he lost this game today. he's looking like an average inconsistent career backup, remember patrick ramsey.

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[quote=pdid5000;382507]seems like he always throws to the first option, no matter if the receiver is double or triple covered, he lost this game today. he's looking like an average inconsistent career backup, remember patrick ramsey.[/quote]

Tell me you really didn't just compare JC to Patrick Ramsey. Oh God. Please close this thread before this gets out of hand.

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If he gets the accountability for the loss, then let's do total accountability and determine where the team would be (both in these last two games and this entire season) without Jason Campbell back there.

Fact is, we've been in position to win two games against tough divisional opponents despite huge mental lapses by skill players on both sides of the ball. We've been in games that we probably wouldn't have been in had Jason Campbell not engineered solid drives at the end of them.

Would you guys rather that he not have the opportunity to go for the win? I mean, then he could say it wasn't his fault.

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He had 2 chances so yes, he and many others are accountable.

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I almost feel like people just want to bitch about Jason Campbell. If he hadn't brought us back at all, I almost feel like most people wouldn't have blamed him for anyhitng. But since he couldn't complete the UPSET i feel like people are casting him off.

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Some interceptions are excusable, balls get deflected or dropped or tipped. He wasn't under pressure in this game or the dallas game when he threw it to the defender. Throw the damn ball away and stop the clock. He has a long way to go and so do we.....season over!

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It's threads like this one that are the reason I rarely ever post on this board anymore. This some of the stupidest commentary I've ever seen from a group of fans. This team was, maybe an 8-8 team coming into the season. We see Campbell making his 21st career start and somehow people now know how his career will play out.

I'm done with this...it's a good thing "knowledgeable" is no longer in the logo of this site because it's gone downhill in the last few years...everyone have a good season. I'm finished.

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[quote=drew54;382483]He is responsible for 1 fumble and two picks.

Portis is responsible for 2 fumbles.

And Moss for one.[/quote]

The two picks were his fault. Not sure what you were watching if you are blaming the fumble on him.

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[quote=troy;382490]two weeks in a row cambell lost the game. three of the six turnovers were his.[/quote]Campbell's fumble was a blind side strip with his arm cocked to pass, hardly the QBs fault there.

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[quote=hurrykaine;382459]I don't think JC ought to get a free pass, no matter how poorly the offense played in the first half.

He's had the opportunity to win us the last two games, and wasn't up to it. The same dumb throw 3 times in the last two games.[/quote]

He is accountable. So are Portis and Moss. Our best players let us down. As I've said all along we are just an average football team.

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[quote=Bushead;382529]I almost feel like people just want to bitch about Jason Campbell. If he hadn't brought us back at all, I almost feel like most people wouldn't have blamed him for anyhitng. But since he couldn't complete the UPSET i feel like people are casting him off.[/quote]

I think a lot people actually give him a free pass. He also does deserve a pass because he is young. No one wants to blame him. Everyone is fine blaming anyone else but he is our future and it is a lot harder to put down our only hope. So i think when people blame campbell it is more telling because no one wants to do it.

He is young so i won't hold it against him too much but that doens't mean that that he isn't accountable. on the plus side, eli is still throwing 4 int games.

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I do want to say that I don't think he should get a free pass. He made some bad decisions and it's cost him two games. But a lot of young QB's make bad decisions, and most of the time bad decisions by young QB's are death by a thousand papercuts, to the point where your team just flat out gets killed.

Jason's mistakes have cost the team games, but only after his *good* decisions gave the team a chance to win them in the first place.

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[quote=DynamiteRave;382513]Tell me you really didn't just compare JC to Patrick Ramsey. Oh God. Please close this thread before this gets out of hand.[/quote]Ok, you're right he's better then Ramsey ever was but we gave Ramsey chance after chance after chance also before it was to late.

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[quote=jdlea;382536]It's threads like this one that are the reason I rarely ever post on this board anymore. This some of the stupidest commentary I've ever seen from a group of fans. This team was, maybe an 8-8 team coming into the season. We see Campbell making his 21st career start and somehow people now know how his career will play out.

I'm done with this...it's a good thing "knowledgeable" is no longer in the logo of this site because it's gone downhill in the last few years...everyone have a good season. I'm finished.[/quote]

I'd quit too if I ever heard anyone say that JC is the next Patrick Ramsey. :vomit:

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[quote=pdid5000;382552]Ok, you're right he's better then Ramsey ever was but we gave Ramsey chance after chance after chance also before it was to late.[/quote]

Ramsey is also a vet and a journeyman player. Ramsey was always and will always be a backup because of the fact he has a bomb of an arm and yet can't hit water when he falls out a boat. Campbell's only been around for 3 years and this is his first year actually starting an entire season. Come on. The guy might not be a diamond in the rough, but he's certainly not backup material.

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I like when people get pissed at what I or others have to say. It is called a discussion and it should inspire thought and emotion. We are passionate about our team and entitled to say how we feel. I will not insult the opinion or intelligence of others. I will voice how I feel about a topic. Stop babying Jayson. He is a professional and paid well. No matter how well I do my job, if I screwed up as much as he did I would be I would be held accountable. When the game was on the line he failed. Thank God we have a defense.

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F off with the Ramsey comparisons. He doesn't even belong in this conversation.

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[quote=desperadoinfl;382532]Some interceptions are excusable, balls get deflected or dropped or tipped. [/quote]

And receivers drop passes, run the wrong routes, etc.

[quote=desperadoinfl;382532]He wasn't under pressure in this game or the dallas game when he threw it to the defender. [/quote]

I'd beg to differ. I know it's not what you meant, but running a two minute drill with the game on the line and no timeouts sure seems like a lot of pressure to me, for a 1st full year QB.

[quote=desperadoinfl;382532]He has a long way to go and so do we.....season over![/quote]

Yes, and before the season started I think most of us knew there would be games like this. We have been absolutely crushed by injuries; maybe if we're all full strength, we make a couple more plays on one side of the ball or the other, and we don't have to rely on Campbell to carry the entire team on his back. Find me another team whose QB had to carry an injury-depleted team in his first full season, and was more successful than Campbell has been. Romo? Roethlisberger, maybe, though I don't know what the Steelers' injury picture looked like. There aren't many.

No matter how you slice it, the kid threw for 300 yards in successive weeks and has engineered SOLID drives (not just chuck-and-pray miracles) at the end of the game that could have won the game. That is something we haven't had at QB in what, a decade?

People take it for granted *because* he's so poised and can march down the field at the end of the game.

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[QUOTE=jdlea;382536]It's threads like this one that are the reason I rarely ever post on this board anymore. This some of the stupidest commentary I've ever seen from a group of fans. This team was, maybe an 8-8 team coming into the season. We see Campbell making his 21st career start and somehow people now know how his career will play out.

I'm done with this...it's a good thing "knowledgeable" is no longer in the logo of this site because it's gone downhill in the last few years...everyone have a good season. I'm finished.[/QUOTE]

You'll be back within 72 hours

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[quote=SmootSmack;382590]You'll be back within 72 hours[/quote]

Quietly trolling the boards. :)

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[quote=desperadoinfl;382564]Thank God we have a defense.[/quote]

Oh, you mean the defense that rolled over in the Dallas game, that Jason had to bail out! Right.

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[QUOTE=WaldSkins;382501]no he is not. joe gibbs is. why in the hell did we not kick the field goal when we were at the three yard line. we can not expect JC to lead us to late game rallies every game. we should of been able to kick the tying field goal and took it to OT. the bucs had no offense all game. yea they were bad throws, but thats not what lost the game. shitty play calling in the first half, and that shitty call on fourth and 1 from the two was a dumb call.[/QUOTE]

Please. It's less than a fucking foot! We go for the field goal and then we'd have another round of "Gibbs Has No Killer Instinct" threads. Alll that "conversative" crap everyone complains about. Gibbs should leave because no one will ever be satisfied with anything ever.

Campbell has to shoulder some of, but not all, the blame.

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I am mad but not worried. Remember when JC took his first snaps from center and it looked like he was squating down on the crapper? When when the kid would not look over the entire field? Remember when he could not call an audible? Remember when he started to call play in the no huddle? Remember two week ago when he started to pump fake before throwing? There is a good upside for this kid. He may be the least of my player personnel worries. He will take the glory and will take some of the blame. He and we will be OK. Buffalo and Chicago at home, Giants and Minnesota on the Road and closeout with Dallas. I thought we would be 9-7 (also thinking that would win this division). It is possible to meet this or 10-6 but execution has to improve.

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[quote=SmootSmack;382603]Please. It's less than a fucking foot! We go for the field goal and then we'd have another round of "Gibbs Has No Killer Instinct" threads. Alll that "conversative" crap everyone complains about. Gibbs should leave because no one will ever be satisfied with anything ever.

Campbell has to shoulder some of, but not all, the blame.[/quote]

Thank you!!!! I'm glad Gibbs went for it. We can't win kicking FG's.

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Campbell did throw a bad pick on the last play of the last two games, but both he and the Skins will be better because of it. Because we've gotten no traction in the run game the last two weeks, we've been forced to put it on JC. Without a deep threat we struggle to generate explosive plays, when JC is nickel and diming it down the field he's going to make a mistake or two.

But lets be real, we had 6 turnovers and still had a chance to win at the end. We're good enough to be a playoff team, if we can ever get out of our own way.

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;382603]Please. It's less than a fucking foot! We go for the field goal and then we'd have another round of "Gibbs Has No Killer Instinct" threads. Alll that "conversative" crap everyone complains about. Gibbs should leave because no one will ever be satisfied with anything ever.

Campbell has to shoulder some of, but not all, the blame.[/QUOTE]

I'm glad u came on here,with your connections is there any way you can get word to gibbs that everyone knows when jason lifts his leg in the shotgun the ball is snapped? thats happened every time he fumbles,he's making it way to easy for other teams to anticipate the snap

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I haven't been here for a while but felt the need to respond to this particular post. No way I'm willing to blame Jason Campbell for this loss today.

Jason has played superb this season considering the circumstances. I knew from the beginning he was going to experience growing pains, the last two weeks have been perfect examples. As always the case when the team looses people look for someone to blame, Jason is not the only blame to be shared today.