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I know Gibbs called the first, but who called the 2nd? They never said he did. It could have been a player. I don't think it's an excuse, but seriously any idiot knows the rules and if Gibbs was the one who called it he really isn't helping us win.

I don't even know what to say.

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Whoever it was is gonna have a whole world of shit coming their way, that's for sure. I hope it wasn't Gibbs the dude is old enough to know the rules and the penalties. I can excuse lack of knowledge from a player but not from an old coach.

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Gibbs just admitted that he did it. End of story.

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Gibbs is falling on his sword now in the post-game presser.

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Just hope he won't be stubborn enough to return for another year. Please, just retire at the end of this mediocre year.

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[quote=hurrykaine;387356]Gibbs just admitted that he did it. End of story.[/quote]

Yup. Just said he made a "heat of the moment" decision.

Basically saying he forgot the damn rule. Thanks Joe. :screama:

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Another 5-11 year is starring us in the face. Say what you want, but when the team as a whole isn't playing well, constantly flat, not doing simple tasks, it eventually comes down to coaching. It trickles from the top down. Blaming it on depth on the Oline? Guess who the team President is.

Gibbs v2 failed. Get him out.

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I think Gibbs acknowledged calling both, but does the TO really make a difference. We should not have allowed then the opportunity to be in FG range.

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[quote=Rhaamses;387369]I think Gibbs acknowledged calling both, but does the TO really make a difference. We should not have allowed then the opportunity to be in FG range.[/quote]We should have had a double digit lead at that point if we finish red zone drives in the first half. This team must learn to finish drives. Another false start on a 4th and 1 inside the 10. The strength of Gibbs 1.0 was a stout O-line. Gibbs 2.0 hasn't invested higher than a 5th round pick to build young O-line depth.
With the entire starting O-line approaching 30 years or older, it's time to draft young depth with higher draft choices.

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[quote=Daseal;387368]Another 5-11 year is starring us in the face. Say what you want, but when the team as a whole isn't playing well, constantly flat, not doing simple tasks, it eventually comes down to coaching. It trickles from the top down. Blaming it on depth on the Oline? Guess who the team President is.
[B]
Gibbs v2 failed. Get him out.[/B][/quote]

i have supported him to this day. But I agree now...

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what is one more year going to hurt? A new coach is just going to go through a bunch of bullshit when he gets here cause we're not doing things his way. there are a couple of adjustments that need to be made to get this team on track and given the circumstances with the injuries and death of our best player, I say give it time.

I don't see how anyone could form or change an opinion of this team based on [I][B]this [/B][/I] game

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[quote=Rhaamses;387369]I think Gibbs acknowledged calling both, but does the TO really make a difference. We should not have allowed then the opportunity to be in FG range.[/quote]


yes it does make a difference because that is how joe gibbs plays the game unfotunatley and that is to barely win, or not win at all.

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To play devil's advocate for a minute here. Let's just suppose someone else (Danny Smith?) had called the timeout, does anyone really think Gibbs would have done anything other than take the blame for it?

I'm not saying Gibbs didn't call the timeout. I'm sure he did. But if he didn't, do you think (save for video evidence) anyone would ever know?

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Yea i really agree GIBBS is done, he needs to retire, i am so upset with ST still that the game doesn't really even bother me anymore but if gibbs goes who replaces him? GW

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[quote]I think Gibbs acknowledged calling both, but does the TO really make a difference. We should not have allowed then the opportunity to be in FG range.[/quote]
This argument bothers me. Did this penalty directly lead to the Redskins loss? We don't know. Chances are Lindel would have hit it through. However, when you knock 45 feet off of a FG attempt in a cold rainy atmosphere, you're doing the other team a huge favor. Losses aren't often based on one mistake, a loss is based on the compilation of mistakes. When those mistakes are coming from the coaches, it's really bad. The Oline did struggle, but in fairness, the defense didnt give up a single TD and our offense gave up 2 of those points.

[quote]I don't see how anyone could form or change an opinion of this team based on this game[/quote]
This just added fuel to the fire. If it were just this week, kinda understandable. But we're seeing a trend and not going after it.

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Gibbs blew it and then they focus the camera in on Landry to make it look like he did something. I mean how can you not know the rules. You haven't coached college since 1972 so what makes you think the rules are the same. You think he would have learned by now. It's rediculous plus that soft zone crap we play in so they can just work their way down the field.

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[quote=SmootSmack;387386]To play devil's advocate for a minute here. Let's just suppose someone else (Danny Smith?) had called the timeout, does anyone really think Gibbs would have done anything other than take the blame for it?

I'm not saying Gibbs didn't call the timeout. I'm sure he did. But if he didn't, do you think (save for video evidence) anyone would ever know?[/quote]


i see your point and yes you are most likely correct in assuming he would, but honestly this is what you get when you take the heat for it.

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[quote=SmootSmack;387386]To play devil's advocate for a minute here. Let's just suppose someone else (Danny Smith?) had called the timeout, does anyone really think Gibbs would have done anything other than take the blame for it?

I'm not saying Gibbs didn't call the timeout. I'm sure he did. But if he didn't, do you think (save for video evidence) anyone would ever know?[/quote]

only head coaches can call timeouts right?

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besides players

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correct, hoo.

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Bottomline....the season is over!

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[QUOTE=Rhaamses;387369]I think Gibbs acknowledged calling both, but does the TO really make a difference. We should not have allowed then the opportunity to be in FG range.[/QUOTE]

I agree. Only one touchdown the entire game..that's the issue, not an unsportsmanlike conduct penalty call.

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week in week out we play our guts out. what do we have to do to not let this happen? as a skins fan, and i'm sure i speak for many, you almost expect it on a weekly basis and that negativity is not cool. however, the only way to circumvent that thought from fans is up to this team and coaching staff. in a nutshell, shit's frustrating and depressing. I'll always love the skins and they've brought many smiles to my face but happen to let me down at the wrong times here as of late....how could we lose this game?????!!!!!!!

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The 2nd timeout was a rookie mistake; it was not the kind of mistake a HoF coach should make. Did it cost us the game? Who knows, but it may have. Then again, the O-line was God awful. How many times did Portis have decent holes to hit? How many times did it appear that a blocking assignment was missed? How many times was JC hit? Moreover, the defense didn't break, but they bent enough to let our offensive struggles doom us.

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I new here to this site but not to the 'Skins...

It seems that it is entirely fitting that a mental breakdown led to the loss...I'm amazed that the guys could all pull it together to even be out there today after losing a family member.

60 minutes played while remembering one of the defensive leaders...no TDs allowed. Well done under UNTHINKABLY HORRIBLE conditions.

Fine with me and I thank them for their effort...there are MUCH bigger issues that most folks are considering.

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;387412]The 2nd timeout was a rookie mistake; it was not the kind of mistake a HoF coach should make. Did it cost us the game? Who knows, but it may have. Then again, the [B]O-line was God awful.[/B] How many times did Portis have decent holes to hit? How many times did it appear that a blocking assignment was missed? How many times was JC hit? Moreover, the defense didn't break, but they bent enough to let our offensive struggles doom us.[/quote]

That's for sure. It was like they didn't even show up for the 2nd Half. JC was getting sacked so much I thought Kitna was back there throwing.

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If this was any other coach I really think he'd be fired but its Gibbs so he wont.

It was stunning to hear the "Joe must go!" chants at the beginning of Post Game live. Who would have imagined Gibbs et al would be such a disaster? Not me thats for sure.

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Good teams can put up more than 17 points. Yes, our defense bent but not that much. A good team should be able to put up 20+ points each week.

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[quote=irish;387421]If this was any other coach I really think he'd be fired but its Gibbs so he wont.

It was stunning to hear the "Joe must go!" chants at the beginning of Post Game live. Who would have imagined Gibbs et al would be such a disaster? Not me thats for sure.[/quote]

I heard that too. I was trying to figure out what they were saying but, I'm apparently kinda deaf. Looks like the fans are done coddling Gibbs. I personally don't agree with Gibbs 2.0 but I go with whatevers best for the team. And if that's Gibbs, then I fully support that. But to hear people out there actually chanting that they don't even want him anymore.. That's gotta hurt.

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[QUOTE=irish;387421]If this was any other coach I really think he'd be fired but its Gibbs so he wont.

It was stunning to hear the "Joe must go!" chants at the beginning of Post Game live. Who would have imagined Gibbs et al would be such a disaster? Not me thats for sure.[/QUOTE]

I presume that most of the "Joe Must Go" chanters were (a) teens who weren't alive for Gibbs I and/or (b) the ahistorical, "what have you done for me lately" types. I am pissed at Gibbs for the T.O. and the buck stops at his feet, but my strong sense of history and loyalty to the man who MADE this franchise make me want to let the man coach as long as he wants.

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;387427]I presume that most of the "Joe Must Go" chanters were (a) teens who weren't alive for Gibbs I and/or (b) the ahistorical, "what have you done for me lately" types. I am pissed at Gibbs for the T.O. and the buck stops at his feet, but my strong sense of history and loyalty to the man who MADE this franchise make me want to let the man coach as long as he wants.[/quote]

It was drunken rage. You know how alcohol makes people moody. :doh:

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[QUOTE=Cowell;387422]Good teams can put up more than 17 points. Yes, our defense bent but not that much. A good team should be able to put up 20+ points each week.[/QUOTE]

I agree that the O is terrible and because they cant score it makes every game close. Sure the D didnt bend much but as usual they cant make a stop with the game on the line. This is just not a good team.

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Its never one thing that contributes to a loss. Jason Campbell is responsible for poor red zone decision making. The O-line is responsible for letting the Bills D manhandle them. The run D is responsible for us getting gashed on quite a few occasions. Greg's deep zone is responsible for failing to stop teams from getting into FG range. Gibbs time out for making it a chip shot field goal in bad weather. Anyone who could've made a good play, but didn't, is responsible to some degree.

This has been a rough week, and maybe us losing today is tribute enough to Taylor - a tribute that says we couldn't play our best because we couldn't get our minds focused to play well and we couldn't stop them without you playing at safety.

I'm sorry for attacking anyone trying to absolve Gibbs (apologies, Smootsmack) for this week - I know many of us haven't yet recovered from Sean Taylor's loss and this isn't the time to trade attacks with disconsolate fans. Apologies again.

That said, it's not wrong to point to a pattern of coaching ineptitude that has gone on for 4 years. Gibbs is not solely responsible for us losing today, but he did tie a pretty ribbon on the gift wrapped package we handed the Bills. I am today surer than I have ever been that Gibbs is not the answer to turn this team around. I can't, even for a moment, give Gibbs a free pass for another losing season and relate our losing woes to the loss of Sean Taylor. We have to hold people, starting with the Head Coach, accountable.

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[QUOTE=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;387427]I presume that most of the "Joe Must Go" chanters were (a) teens who weren't alive for Gibbs I and/or (b) the ahistorical, "what have you done for me lately" types. I am pissed at Gibbs for the T.O. and the buck stops at his feet, but my strong sense of history and loyalty to the man who MADE this franchise make me want to let the man coach as long as he wants.[/QUOTE]

The cam didnt show who was chanting but most NFL games I go to dont have many teens in attendance. The voices sounded like adult men but the cam didnt show them.

Who cares about Gibbs 1? Thats ancient history. Sports is a what have you done for me lately thing and Gibbs hasnt done squat lately.

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[QUOTE=irish;387437]Who cares about Gibbs 1? Thats ancient history. Sports is a what have you done for me lately thing and Gibbs hasnt done squat lately.[/QUOTE]

I care about Gibbs I. If our first and only three Lombardis under Gibbs mean nothing to you....nevermind. Maybe you're the type of person who has a "what have you done for me lately" attitude, I'm not.

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SGG, you can respect what Gibbs did in the past and still admit he's done nothing in four years in DC. Being complacent saying a losing coach can stay as long as he wants simply isn't healthy for a franchise.

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I see what you are saying SGG, but honestly that TO by Gibbs could have cost us the season in terms of playoffs. I realize there was alot of other bad things in the game, but many times games go to the wire therefore a coach must be apt to make smart calls at the end.

I don't really know what to say about Gibbs, I love him yet how many passes can I give to him? Perhaps I should let this slide because he brought us 3 SB trophies. But maybe if his style of coaching/critical errors are going to hurt the Skins perhaps he should step down.

I don't know if I am on the "Joe must go" wagon, but I'm closer to it than I ever was. Prior to this I had supported him wholeheartedly this season.

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[QUOTE=Daseal;387444]SGG, you can respect what Gibbs did in the past and still admit he's done nothing in four years in DC. Being complacent saying a losing coach can stay as long as he wants simply isn't healthy for a franchise.[/QUOTE]

Gibbs II certainly hasn't worked out the way most of us thought it would. But why is it exactly that the Gibbs haters are so quick to dismiss the 2005 season? I've heard people dismiss the 2005 season because we played banged-up teams. But then those very same people dismiss our injuries as irrelevant excuses. So excuses are fine when they are used against us and are unacceptable when used for us? You can say Gibbs II isn't a success, but to say we have done nothing is simply wrong.

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[QUOTE=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;387441]I care about Gibbs I. If our first and only three Lombardis under Gibbs mean nothing to you....nevermind. Maybe you're the type of person who has a "what have you done for me lately" attitude, I'm not.[/QUOTE]

I'm sorry that you live in the past. I don't and if that makes me a "what have you done for me lately" guy then I am guilty as charged. I want to win now not relive the glory years from 15+ years ago.

Gibbs 1 was great when it happened but this is 15 years later and Gibbs 1 has no bearing on whats going on now. I'm glad Gibbs won those SB's all those years ago but he's just not doing it now.

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[QUOTE=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;387452]Gibbs II certainly hasn't worked out the way most of us thought it would. But why is it exactly that the Gibbs haters are so quick to dismiss the 2005 season? I've heard people dismiss the 2005 season because we played banged-up teams. But then those very same people dismiss our injuries as irrelevant excuses. So excuses are fine when they are used against us and are unacceptable when used for us? You can say Gibbs II isn't a success, but to say we have done nothing is simply wrong.[/QUOTE]

I make birdies once in awhile golfing that doesnt make me a consisently good golfer. This team made a birdie in 05 but they are double bogey golfers.