team hard to take
 

is there anyone out there , that thought going into the latter stages of the 4 th quarter of that game who thought the skins would win even though they were in front ... i didnt i honestly whew they would lose by the one point after the fieldgoal that the bills would eventually kick, this team is really hard to watch , its the same crap week after week , no learning curve with this bunch , hang on to tiny leads and blow it at the end of games , i never really post , but always read the forums , someone most of the time says it for me, but this was just maddening , this team has no friggin heart , some game to honor your lost teamate , same crap different week , joe gibbs i thing after seeing this latest of many flubs , is not an answer , i mean three straight running plays, after you couldnt run all day at a time when they absolutly knew you were going to run, an they stacked the line is just plain dumb, all i do is shake my head , coach in the wings williams is not going to do it and he is the next coach , its in the books , salary cap hell ... these days its not so fun being a skins fan

Re: team hard to take
 

Yea this team is just not any good under pressure, when we get leads we always let it slip, thats bad coaching, i love gibbs but he needs out! WHO replaces him though? BILL COWER?

Re: team hard to take
 

Looking at things objectively, the Skins should have lost to the Jets, and very well could have lost to Miami in the opener. The 5-3 start was a mirage. The team continually makes mistakes to give games away.

Let's objectively look at the bigger picture of Gibbs 2.0. Throw out a 5 week stretch to close out 2005, and this team is consistently below average. I like their effort on most counts but this team is not the "supersmart" team that Gibbs likes to aspire to. And that starts from the coaching staff down.

Re: team hard to take
 

Part of this post is my own thoughts and part not my own (to be explained).

For myself, since Taylor's death I've given little thought to football or the Skins. Tuesday was one of the worst days in my memory, ever. I did not watch the game today for two reasons: too much emotion overall, and because I knew the let down would be enormous, which leads me to the part of the post not really me talking.

Last week I met a guy who's been a Skins fan longer than I've been alive. He's followed every era of the team and knows every detail. He told me he can't stand to watch any longer because the disappointment is so huge. He said part of the disappointment is w/ Gibbs but it goes beyond any one man.

I don't know whether I'll watch another game this year. There is something so wrong it actually seems too big to really grasp. I love a lot of the individual players and the team legacy, but it's just too much.

Re: team hard to take
 

i joined this forum for the first time because i couldnt agree with this thread anymore, it is quite painfull being a fan right now.

Re: team hard to take
 

[QUOTE=Jesse E. Timmons;387415]i joined this forum for the first time because i couldnt agree with this thread anymore, it is quite painfull being a fan right now.[/QUOTE]

Not sure I follow you Mr. Timmons?

Re: team hard to take
 

im sorry for the poor wording. i agree completely with the original post.

Re: team hard to take
 

this sucks. I don't think i'll ever see a good skins team. Its not fair. This is the worst i've ever felt being a skins fan, and that is saying something. Obviously this week has been horrible. Lets just hope that we turn something around and play better in the coming weeks.

Re: team hard to take
 

[QUOTE=BigSKINBauer;387431]this sucks. I don't think i'll ever see a good skins team. Its not fair. This is the worst i've ever felt being a skins fan, and that is saying something. Obviously this week has been horrible. Lets just hope that we turn something around and play better in the coming weeks.[/QUOTE]

Were you around in 2003? We were straight up getting blown out in games. Do you prefer getting blown out and being the laughing stock of the league to losing close games? We should have a better record and the blame for not having one falls on the players' shoulders, the assistant coaches' shoulders, and, of course, on Gibbs' shoulders. But to think that this team is as bad or worse as the 2003 Spurrier team is simply incorrect IMO.

Re: team hard to take
 

[quote=BigSKINBauer;387431]this sucks. [B]I don't think i'll ever see a good skins team.[/B] Its not fair. This is the worst i've ever felt being a skins fan, and that is saying something. Obviously this week has been horrible. Lets just hope that we turn something around and play better in the coming weeks.[/quote]

I feel you. I think we're around the same age. So we were really young when the Skins were a kickass team. And my biggest fear is that I'll croak before I get to see the Skins win a big one.

Re: team hard to take
 

[QUOTE=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;387438][B]Were you around in 2003? We were straight up getting blown out in games.[/B] Do you prefer getting blown out and being the laughing stock of the league to losing close games? We should have a better record and the blame for not having one falls on the players' shoulders, the assistant coaches' shoulders, and, of course, on Gibbs' shoulders. But to think that this team is as bad or worse as the 2003 Spurrier team is simply incorrect IMO.[/QUOTE]

As much as I hate to say it, but sometimes I think I would rather see us lose by a little bit more. Or at least trail at halftime when we lose. It's just so hard to take it when you are winning the whole game and then you lose it in the last 10-15 seconds.

Re: team hard to take
 

[QUOTE=Cowell;387440]As much as I hate to say it, but sometimes I think I would rather see us lose by a little bit more. Or at least trail at halftime when we lose. It's just so hard to take it when you are winning the whole game and then you lose it in the last 10-15 seconds.[/QUOTE]

I understand the sentiment; losing games you should win hurts big. But, I wouldn't trade this season for 2003 in a million years. I distinctly remember teams actually laughing at how bad we were. We can't win games we should (the hallmark of a good team), but we're not pathetic. We just can't close games (again, the hallmark of a good team).

Re: team hard to take
 

[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;387438]Were you around in 2003? We were straight up getting blown out in games. Do you prefer getting blown out and being the laughing stock of the league to losing close games? We should have a better record and the blame for not having one falls on the players' shoulders, the assistant coaches' shoulders, and, of course, on Gibbs' shoulders. But to think that this team is as bad or worse as the 2003 Spurrier team is simply incorrect IMO.[/quote]

I am also including my favorite redskin dying in the fact that this is the worst i've ever felt. I feel sick and am in unbelievably bad mood. I don't even want to talk to my best friends. I think i'll get pissed off at something not worth it. I just feel like going to sleep. This is absolutely horrible.

Re: team hard to take
 

[quote=BigSKINBauer;387431]this sucks. I don't think i'll ever see a good skins team. Its not fair. This is the worst i've ever felt being a skins fan, and that is saying something. Obviously this week has been horrible. Lets just hope that we turn something around and play better in the coming weeks.[/quote]I have no doubt that the Skins will be good again someday. That said, I believe the greatest mistake of the way this team was built early in Gibbs 2.0 was putting more emphasis on glitzy skill position players than the men in the trenches that were so valued during Gibbs 1.0. "Gibbs football" values running the football on offense and stoping the run on defense. To do both consistently, more emphasis must be placed on drafting young studs.

Although the team is mediocre and inconsistent, they do play hard and are competitive every game. Keep the faith - someday, they'll put it together. Just probably not during this season of injury and heartbreak.

Re: team hard to take
 

I love Joe Gibbs and I love John Riggins, but their time has come and gone. Jayson needs to grow, our defense needs to put pressure on QB's and we need to finish the game.
I have never been so dispondent in the 4th quarter. I have always felt we had a chance. If it is close in the 4th quarter I expect to loose. Say what you will, but we do it time and again.
Ok hammer away.

Re: team hard to take
 

[quote=SouperMeister;387445]I have no doubt that the Skins will be good again someday. That said, I believe the greatest mistake of the way this team was built early in Gibbs 2.0 was putting more emphasis on glitzy skill position players than the men in the trenches that were so valued during Gibbs 1.0. "Gibbs football" values running the football on offense and stoping the run on defense. To do both consistently, more emphasis must be placed on drafting young studs.

Although the team is mediocre and inconsistent, they do play hard and are competitive every game. Keep the faith - someday, they'll put it together. Just probably not during this season of injury and heartbreak.[/quote]
Yeah probably. When we win, i'll punch someone in the face if they call me a bandwagon fan. My friends will obviously know the truth but if some stranger says anything of the sort I'll go crazy.

Re: team hard to take
 

I hate to break it to the original post, but this hasn't been their normal week of preparation. I think our season is probably over. Losing Sean Taylor is like losing a Tom Brady. During the field goal, all I could picture is Taylor coming across and blocking the kick and running it to the house. We played the best we could.

Re: team hard to take
 

[QUOTE=BigSKINBauer;387443]I am also including my favorite redskin dying in the fact that this is the worst i've ever felt. I feel sick and am in unbelievably bad mood. I don't even want to talk to my best friends. I think i'll get pissed off at something not worth it. I just feel like going to sleep. This is absolutely horrible.[/QUOTE]

I hear ya BSB, I'm absolutely heartbroken. To have Sean, a Pro-Bowl, HoF-caliber safety, taken away from us has made me feel a pain I haven't ever felt. I am simply depressed and, outside of this forum, I don't think people understand me. My friends who are not Redskins fans have been really kind, but they simply can't understand why I am so upset.

Re: team hard to take
 

[quote=desperadoinfl;387446]I love Joe Gibbs and I love John Riggins, but their time has come and gone. Jayson needs to grow, our defense needs to put pressure on QB's and we need to finish the game.
I have never been so dispondent in the 4th quarter. I have always felt we had a chance. If it is close in the 4th quarter I expect to loose. Say what you will, but we do it time and again.
Ok hammer away.[/quote]It gets back to the way the team was built. Before Gibbs arrived, we had a chance to draft bulldozing guard Steve Hutchinson, and we opted for Rod Gardner. Everywhere Hutchinson has played (Seattle and Minnesota), you've seen GREAT running attacks. Gibbs still plays it close to the vest, but we cannot count on our personnel to salt a game away by pounding the ball in the 4th quarter. I believe there is a disconnect in the type of team Gibbs wants to be and the players that we're acquiring. I'd even argue that Portis would be a much better fit in a wide open attack than a pound it out approach.

Re: team hard to take
 

[QUOTE=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;387438]Were you around in 2003? We were straight up getting blown out in games. Do you prefer getting blown out and being the laughing stock of the league to losing close games? We should have a better record and the blame for not having one falls on the players' shoulders, the assistant coaches' shoulders, and, of course, on Gibbs' shoulders. But to think that this team is as bad or worse as the 2003 Spurrier team is simply incorrect IMO.[/QUOTE]

I appreciate the reminder. Your post and this thread make me want to start thinking more and more of the future of the organization - I am a forward-looking guy almost all the time. However, I guess I don't feel it's the right time for that just yet. I know a lot of guys want to see something miraculous from this season and the current Gibbs era, so I won't be the one to try to start a serious analysis about what direction the Redskins need to take (and who should lead them).

But eventually, is it going to be alright w/ most everyone for that kind to discussion?

Re: team hard to take
 

I wait every week for the mental screw up and it finally came in a 2nd time-out by Joe Gibbs in the end. Even I, a non $5 million a year coach knew we could not call a 2nd timeout after calling the first one!!!! How do we continue to mentally screw up week after week. You are 67 years old and afre past your time Joe Gibbs, please step away!!!!

Re: team hard to take
 

Why didnt the skins keep it open in the 4th quarter? I hate when we have a lead and try to run the clock out from 8 minutes on in the 4th, when we should be spreading the field picking up 1st downs like we do all first half of most games. Portis was averaging 2 ypc and they kept feeding him the balll in the 4th, I would have like to see ladell betts get a few reps, and throw some play action. We lose bc our offense is never on the field in the 2nd half and we let oppenents get into a rhtythm offensively.

Re: team hard to take
 

Man are you guys serious??? Whine moan and complain about losing a football game TODAY???

I remember my first GREAT Redskins team and the names Riggins and Theisman were used back then...others remember Charlie Casserly or Chris Hamburger leading good Redskins teams.

I also remember when Gibbs was 0 and 5 his first season and some said he should be fired then and there. Do y'all have an opinion about that? Do y'all even remember that?

I can't believe how much this has made me think about my own life and family and Sean Taylor's life and family...I played football and I couldn't imagine the pain of losing a teammate.

Y'all are bitching about how little fun it is to be a Redskins' fan now.

I'd bet about any amount of money it's no fun being a Redskins player/staff/family member 'round now either.

They will grow closer through their loss. If that leads to winning football games then great. If that leads them to becoming closer to their families then that's even better.

I never even met the guy and it's brought me to tears.

Re: team hard to take
 

[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;387456]I hear ya BSB, I'm absolutely heartbroken. To have Sean, a Pro-Bowl, HoF-caliber safety, taken away from us has made me feel a pain I haven't ever felt. I am simply depressed and, outside of this forum, I don't think people understand me. My friends who are not Redskins fans have been really kind, but they simply can't understand why I am so upset.[/quote] Being in college there are a lot of stupid assholes around. My close friends have been understanding but there are some stupid immature people. Someone the other day pretended to shoot my leg while i was wearing my Taylor jersey. Its someone that i know too. I wouldn't say we are friends but we have a good number of mutual friends. He was trying to be funny but that shit isn't funny in the least. I let him know that was a stupid fucking thing to say. Looking back on it, its more of an insult to his character than it is to me.

That is definitely not the only stupid thing i heard this week. Sometimes people don't think before they talk or do something.

All of this has put me in such a bad mood. I just wanted to win this game so bad. It would have brought a sense of normalcy again. To lose a heart breaker that makes the playoffs seem so far away after such a horrible week is just devastating.

Brud was right on in his thread he made before the game. I think i invested too much into this game. It wasn't about the playoffs or winning. It was about feeling better after such a bad week.

Re: team hard to take
 

[quote=twinskinsfan;387455]I hate to break it to the original post, but this hasn't been their normal week of preparation. I think our season is probably over. Losing Sean Taylor is like losing a Tom Brady. During the field goal, all I could picture is Taylor coming across and blocking the kick and running it to the house. We played the best we could.[/quote]In hindsight, our season virtually ended when Taylor went down against Philly. Since that moment, opposing teams have made huge plays downfield against the middle of our defense, where Taylor was playing shutdown football previously.

Re: team hard to take
 

It's gets harder and harder to watch a team like this play football, coach gibbs should stick to racing, his glory days are over. I joined the warpath to see if their are as many disgruntled fans out there as me. Maybe next year should be the skins motto!

Re: team hard to take
 

[QUOTE=BigSKINBauer;387470]Someone the other day pretended to shoot my leg while i was wearing my Taylor jersey. Its someone that i know too.[/QUOTE]

Wow. If I didn't have a bar license to worry about I would have liked to have been there and thrown an elbow to the adam's apple. That guy/gal is an a**hole. No offense if that is a friend of yours.

Re: team hard to take
 

[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;387482]Wow. If I didn't have a bar license to worry about I would have liked to have been there and thrown an elbow to the adam's apple. That guy/gal is an a**hole. No offense if that is a friend of yours.[/quote] yeah, like i said, he really isn't someone i would consider a friend but we do have mutual friends. I didn't just let it go though. I gave him a mouth full and i consider myself a pretty chill person that doesn't really yell at people. He said he was sorry and what not but i left yelling at him. It was on monday. While yelling at him i told him that if sean died he would feel like a complete piece of shit. Haven't talked to or seen him since. Definitely someone that i don't respect.

Re: team hard to take
 

I really though they would of just rolled over the Bills today but they basically played the same game they played for most of the season.....get some yards....can't stuff it in the endzone (thanks Samuels)...then get a close lead and turn to conservatism and wait to the last play and hope you win....Portis had 25 carries for 50 yards........ummm.....doesn't that sound like a clue that the run wasn't working? we at least were moving the ball on the pass. We needed one more first down at the end of the game and what do we do...run on 3rd down....pathetic. I really don't see us winning one more game this season, this team just isn't that good.....I am reduced to hoping the Cowgirls do not win the Superbowl.......at least with the 2nd timeout fiasco, Gibbs will have to leave after this season. Thanks for the 3 Superbowls...but the game has passed you bye........you could tell this was a Gibbs called game......no "no huddle"....forcing the run when it wasn't working....and the same lame plays inside the red zone...

Re: team hard to take
 

[QUOTE=twinskinsfan;387455]I hate to break it to the original post, but this hasn't been their normal week of preparation. I think our season is probably over. Losing Sean Taylor is like losing a Tom Brady. During the field goal, all I could picture is Taylor coming across and blocking the kick and running it to the house. We played the best we could.[/QUOTE].... i dont post often, and dont want to honk any horns but losing taylor like losing brady , i dont think so , i loved taylor but dont think for a minute he makes much difference, this team has played the same most of the year with or without taylor , another team might have rose up and friggin buried the bills today, under the same circumstances, not this team ...and greg williams is the next coach ...i think it was how gibbs got him here with the promise of succsesion

Re: team hard to take
 

Everytime I watch the skins play (which painfully is every week) a comment my wife said to me tends to come to mind. She's not a big football fan but will often time spend time with me while the game is on. Out of nowhere she says "The Redskins don't look like any of the other teams I've watched, they look bad and out of control." As much as it pains me to agree with her she is right. Gibbs needs to step down next season and hopefully get someone in here that can give this team the leader they need to bring out all the talent we have on this team.

Re: team hard to take
 

[QUOTE=diesl44;387574].... i dont post often, and dont want to honk any horns but losing taylor like losing brady , i dont think so , i loved taylor but dont think for a minute he makes much difference, this team has played the same most of the year with or without taylor , another team might have rose up and friggin buried the bills today, under the same circumstances, not this team ...and greg williams is the next coach ...i think it was how gibbs got him here with the promise of succsesion[/QUOTE]

I don't think losing Taylor is like losing Brady, but I do not think you really mean that it makes no difference whether Reed Doughty or Sean Taylor is playing free safety. The man led the league in picks prior to the Eagles game. Teams NEVER got anything deep on us until ST went out and then, lo and behold, teams start torching us on deep throws and screens.

Re: team hard to take
 

[QUOTE=diesl44;387574].... i dont post often, and dont want to honk any horns but losing taylor like losing brady , i dont think so , i loved taylor but dont think for a minute he makes much difference, this team has played the same most of the year with or without taylor , another team might have rose up and friggin buried the bills today, under the same circumstances, not this team ...and greg williams is the next coach ...i think it was how gibbs got him here with the promise of succsesion[/QUOTE]

There had to be a better term than "buried the bills" you could have used under the circumstances

Re: team hard to take
 

I am a Skins fan. I understand that there are up years and down year. I want me team to be successful or at least competitive. I will take these moments of misery, because I do have successful memories. Kilmer duck passes, the Riggo Drill, the Fun Bunch, the pearl harbor crew, Timmie Smith, Dexter and others. I am mad, but am also aware that many teams have yet to achieve what we have. We want more, we expect more. We are on the downward end of our cycle, but we will improve. When I feel I am at my lowest point, I can always take solstice in the fact that - Yes - I am a Knick Fan also. Things are never truly as bad as they seem.

Re: team hard to take
 

what is also painfully this year, is we are at our lowest with everything going on but the f--king Cowboys are sky high. Since 91 (the last time we were really good) the Cowboys have been great then crappy now great again. We remain crappy! UGH!

This is the worst year that I have ever been a Redskins fan taking in all the injuries, painful loses and the ST death. Just plain horrible.

Re: team hard to take
 

I like everyone here am heartbroken, upset, frustrated, angry, furious, and am desperateky in need of answers....
I have none, but I will post a few comments based on what I've read here...

First- I agree that its inexcusible for gibbs not to know that calling a second time out is not allowed. No ifs, ands, or buts, he needs to know the rules, he's paid to know the rules. He knows this...

Second- when its third down and 8 and another first down wins the game, you don't call a running play that gives an NFL team the ball with a minute left trailing by less than a field goal. Gutless.

Third- the fans that cheered during the moment of silence were reponding to people that yelled "we love you sean". Still inappropriate, but their hearts were in the right place.

Forth- I think the biggest thing that gets me is that every week I get amped up (because if we could only play a complete game- we'd make the playoffs and likely do damage) only to watch us crumble under a littany of gaffs usually reserved for steve martin movies. How we continue to torture our fans with sloppy uninspired play is mind boggling. We've been fooled 6 times this year, what does that say about us?

Fifth- I love jason cambell. He is no doubt our future and he gives me hope, but there is no question that he chokes up a bit in the red zone. This will get better with time.

Seventh- the reality is, we have now lost 4 in row, our coaches continue to make mental mistake and attempt to sit on leads, our line is beat up (randy we need you buddy) and our best player just died (we miss ST. 21). Bottomline is that our playoff chances are grim.

Re: team hard to take
 

[quote=diesl44;387363]is there anyone out there , that thought going into the latter stages of the 4 th quarter of that game who thought the skins would win even though they were in front ... i didnt i honestly whew they would lose by the one point after the fieldgoal that the bills would eventually kick, this team is really hard to watch , its the same crap week after week , no learning curve with this bunch , hang on to tiny leads and blow it at the end of games , i never really post , but always read the forums , someone most of the time says it for me, but this was just maddening , this team has no friggin heart , some game to honor your lost teamate , same crap different week , joe gibbs i thing after seeing this latest of many flubs , is not an answer , i mean three straight running plays, after you couldnt run all day at a time when they absolutly knew you were going to run, an they stacked the line is just plain dumb, all i do is shake my head , coach in the wings williams is not going to do it and he is the next coach , its in the books , salary cap hell ... these days its not so fun being a skins fan[/quote]

nice sentiment I mean they only lost a friend and teamate your right they should have been easy for them to take the field and even easier for them to win, note my sarcasm. Try using a period. Heres a few.........

Re: team hard to take
 

yes "buried" not intentional bad term to use under the circumstances

Re: team hard to take
 

What happened to reason number 6 MVP?

Anyhow:

1. Agreed. Inexcusable.

2. With the bad weather conditions toward the end of the game I think there's no point in risking a turnover. And that's not "playing not to lose" That's playing smart. You run the ball, run the clock down and get a good punt to pin them back deep. I probably would have lined up in the shotgun and run a draw or little dump off pass personally. By the way, Frost's punt was awful. Just awful.

3. Moment of silence means moment of silence. The rest of the league understood that, why couldn't we? It's like that idiotic "OH" during the Star-Spangled Banner.

4. Save for the Giants game, we're really not blowing massive leads. That doesn't make it ok but it just means we are a competitive team but not a dominant team. A lot of it has to do quite honestly with...

5. Jason Campbell. The guy is going to be the best Redskins QB since Sammy Baugh. I 100% believe that, but (with very few exceptions) every great QB goes through the kind of season he's going through right now. For whatever reason, I think of Kobe's three airballs in the playoffs 10 years ago when I think of Campbell

6. "Please Stand By"

7. The Browns got ROBBED today...and that really really hurts us. Seriously didn't anyone else see that? That was definitely a TD

Re: team hard to take
 

[quote=mredskins;387591]what is also painfully this year, is we are at our lowest with everything going on but the f--king Cowboys are sky high. Since 91 (the last time we were really good) the Cowboys have been great then crappy now great again. We remain crappy! UGH!

This is the worst year that I have ever been a Redskins fan taking in all the injuries, painful loses and the ST death. Just plain horrible.[/quote]Taylor's death alone makes this my worst season as a Skins fan. They could go 0-16 next year and it wouldn't be worse than this.