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i know no one wants to think about his but the FS position is clearly a need now. No one on our active roster is capable of taking over, other than Landry but hes our SS.
Do we draft a safety or pick up a free agent?
Kenny Phillips is "the best saftey in college" by a lot of scouts and guess what. hes from The U. Reading his reviews everyone seems to compare him to Sean Taylor for his size. 6'1-220. with the speed of Reed.
all the same terms apply that did to Taylor. Ballhawk, Hard Hitter, Smart player.
So do we draft him or is it too weird to take a player so similar so soon?
[url]http://www.nfldraftdog.com/images/Kenny%20Phillips.jpg[/url]

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I'm not totally against getting another amazing safety prospect, but Chris Long from UVA should definitely be on the radar.

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I think the way we saw how having a player like Sean in the game can change an offensive plan its hard to pass up on someone that may be a similar player but Long is a stud and a dominant guy on the D-line would be great.

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he's listed at 6ft 3...

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[QUOTE=canthetuna;387814]he's listed at 6ft 3...[/QUOTE]

my bad i was going off of articles i had read earlier today

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I don't know man... he seems good and there's another safety prospect out of LSU thats good, though I think he's a sophomore this year...

I still don't know if safety is one of our most pressing needs. I think line is the way to go. Imma hope if we wind up with a top pick again, that we can pick up chris long

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[quote=Daseal;387809]I'm not totally against getting another amazing safety prospect, but Chris Long from UVA should definitely be on the radar.[/quote]A month ago, I said Long would be "long gone" by our pick. The way this season has gone since then, we might be in the running to get Long, or even the safety from The U.

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id like long over kenny phillips

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[QUOTE=SkinsLove24/7;387813]I think the way we saw how having a player like Sean in the game can change an offensive plan its hard to pass up on someone that may be a similar player but Long is a stud and [B]a dominant guy on the D-line would be great[/B].[/QUOTE]

I'm thinking this is the area of greatest need. Maybe we can pick up another safety in the draft, but we have almost zero pass rush at this point.

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I want another big hitting, game changing, ST type player...if there is one of those available...we need it...remember, we planned our entire D around Sean Taylor (so they say)...his absense leaves a large hole in the def.

my wish list for the draft is in the early rounds is Safety, D-line, and O-line.

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there's nobody that can fill that void... at least not coming up anytime soon...

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[quote=WaldSkins;387827]id like long over kenny phillips[/quote]Agreed. I don't see how you pass on Chris Long if he drops to our slot.

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[QUOTE=Dlyne8r;387828]I'm thinking this is the area of greatest need. Maybe we can pick up another safety in the draft, but we have almost zero pass rush at this point.[/QUOTE]

Exactly...have we all not had enough of no penetration? I think it has showed us we need some good players on the line, especially DE. Carter is not good enough to get double teamed every week and be productive.

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[quote=sevier2;387790]i know no one wants to think about his but the FS position is clearly a need now. No one on our active roster is capable of taking over, other than Landry but hes our SS.
Do we draft a safety or pick up a free agent?
Kenny Phillips is "the best saftey in college" by a lot of scouts and guess what. hes from The U. Reading his reviews everyone seems to compare him to Sean Taylor for his size. 6'1-220. with the speed of Reed.
all the same terms apply that did to Taylor. Ballhawk, Hard Hitter, Smart player.
[B] So do we draft him or is it too weird to take a player so similar so soon?[/B]
[URL]http://www.nfldraftdog.com/images/Kenny%20Phillips.jpg[/URL][/quote]

If we did draft that kid I would feel bad for him. It would be so hard to even think about trying to fill Sean's shoes.

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Seriously...what the hell did the skins do to deserve this bad luck? The freakin cowboys were a bunch of thugs and druggies and they have had a better history of luck. The Pats cheat, and they won 3 super bowls and likely on to their 4th. We are an honest and respectable team and we have shit for luck!

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[quote=jsarno;387892]Seriously...what the hell did the skins do to deserve this bad luck? The freakin cowboys were a bunch of thugs and druggies and they have had a better history of luck. The Pats cheat, and they won 3 super bowls and likely on to their 4th. We are an honest and respectable team and we have shit for luck![/quote]

Karma has to even things out at some point, right?? (I hope!)

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[QUOTE=jsarno;387885]Exactly...have we all not had enough of no penetration? I think it has showed us we need some good players on the line, especially DE. Carter is not good enough to get double teamed every week and be productive.[/QUOTE]

Speaking of "penetration" (and kinda off topic) my upstairs neighbors have been going at it for like an hour now. Good God, I half expect the bed to come crash down through my ceiling.

Ok...um what were we talking about now?

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[QUOTE=GMScud;387895]Karma has to even things out at some point, right?? (I hope!)[/QUOTE]

Well, we've been in the shadows since our last SB win. That's over a decade and half ago. I don't get it. Carma should have already shined on us.

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[quote=SmootSmack;387897]Speaking of "penetration" (and kinda off topic) my upstairs neighbors have been going at it for like an hour now. Good God, I half expect the bed to come crash down through my ceiling.

Ok...um what were we talking about now?[/quote]

LOL!!!! Good for them! (For going at it I mean, not possibly making their bed come through your ceiling).

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;387897]Speaking of "penetration" (and kinda off topic) my upstairs neighbors have been going at it for like an hour now. Good God, I half expect the bed to come crash down through my ceiling.

Ok...um what were we talking about now?[/QUOTE]

Don't hate. :D

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;387897]Speaking of "penetration" (and kinda off topic) my upstairs neighbors have been going at it for like an hour now. Good God, I half expect the bed to come crash down through my ceiling.

Ok...um what were we talking about now?[/QUOTE]

Hahahahaha, I needed that.

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[QUOTE=GMScud;387899]LOL!!!! Good for them! (For going at it I mean, not possibly making their bed come through your ceiling).[/QUOTE]

I mean they (whoever they are) are usually amorous in the mornings, not the evenings. They're like my alarm clock.

Must be throwing all caution to the wind tonight

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Not that my name gives it away, but I'm a big advocate of Rock. Just as Brian Mitchell became my favorite Skin growing up (with his gritty and no-holds-barred return style), Rock has earned the new honors.

My point here is to float Rock as a possible replacement for Sean, should he learn the techniques a free safety employs. It is not likely the Skins would consider such a role change for No. 31, but let's list the attributes that would qualify Rock for secondary action:

1. He is a smart player who rarely misses tackling assignments (when playing kick-return defense).

2. Rock delivers the big hits and could possibly instill fear in an opponent.

3. He can shift his running route in the open field, which would bode well for fine free safety execution.

4. Rock could still double as the kick returner.

What do you think?

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[quote=Rock31;387904]Not that my name gives it away, but I'm a big advocate of Rock. Just as Brian Mitchell became my favorite Skin growing up (with his gritty and no-holds-barred return style), Rock has earned the new honors.

My point here is to float Rock as a possible replacement for Sean, should he learn the techniques a free safety employs. It is not likely the Skins would consider such a role change for No. 31, but let's list the attributes that would qualify Rock for secondary action:

1. He is a smart player who rarely misses tackling assignments (when playing kick-return defense).

2. Rock delivers the big hits and could possibly instill fear in an opponent.

3. He can shift his running route in the open field, which would bode well for fine free safety execution.

4. Rock could still double as the kick returner.

What do you think?[/quote]
Rock's a running back so I don't think he would be able to make that kind of a switch. If you're thinking about switching a current player to free--I would nominate Springs--as moving from CB to FS is probably easier and has been done before.

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[QUOTE=Rock31;387904]Not that my name gives it away, but I'm a big advocate of Rock. Just as Brian Mitchell became my favorite Skin growing up (with his gritty and no-holds-barred return style), Rock has earned the new honors.

My point here is to float Rock as a possible replacement for Sean, should he learn the techniques a free safety employs. It is not likely the Skins would consider such a role change for No. 31, but let's list the attributes that would qualify Rock for secondary action:

1. He is a smart player who rarely misses tackling assignments (when playing kick-return defense).

2. Rock delivers the big hits and could possibly instill fear in an opponent.

3. He can shift his running route in the open field, which would bode well for fine free safety execution.

4. Rock could still double as the kick returner.

What do you think?[/QUOTE]

I like Fred Smoot but I don't want him play QB...Rock would get abused at safety. Mainly because he's 5'7" (not many safeties that small) and as far as I know has no vertical

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Clearly I'd rather bring back Ade Jimoh for 16 games as the starting safety before putting Rock Cartwright there. It's OK to admire Cartwright for his special teams play but when the dawn of reality arrives, that's all he is - - a special teams player.

If you think along those lines, Lorenzo Alexander plays offense and defense and special teams so he must be REALLY versatile. How about converting him to a WR...? :nono:

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You wont find another Sean Taylor. We can't expect that from anyone. Our defense now is going to turn. We need to find another building block, but to find another Taylor is not going to happen. But damn we were blessed to have him as a Redskin!!!!and forever be a Redskin!

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Players Like ST just are not in each draft. If there is a Player even close I say pick him. That being said it's our O and D lines that need a look at in this draft. If it's a high pick move down and get more picks and get some one that can find talent not just in the first two rounds but through out the draft!

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[quote=jsarno;387892]Seriously...what the hell did the skins do to deserve this bad luck? The freakin cowboys were a bunch of thugs and druggies and they have had a better history of luck. The Pats cheat, and they won 3 super bowls and likely on to their 4th. We are an honest and respectable team and we have shit for luck![/quote]We're paying for our sins of disrespecting the draft (trading mid round picks left and right), and for giving top dollar to marginal players (Lloyd/Archuleta). Our sins are much more damning in this age of salary cap football.

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I'm surprised, in a wr thread there's talk of free agents.

No one here has mentioned any potential free agent safeties.

I think pending free agency pickups, our needs in the draft are: DL, OL, WR, safety, in that order. We're deeper at safety than DL or OL. Granted, other than Landry no one is outstanding but DoughtY & Prioleau are serviceable.

Who knows, maybe Springs stays & they convert him?

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why dont you work on getting an o line

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The lines need help, I think we might be ok after our o line heals up a bit mayb 1 or 2 replacements but man we need a pass rush

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[quote=Redskin;388235]The lines need help, I think we might be ok after our o line heals up a bit mayb 1 or 2 replacements but man we need a pass rush[/quote]

yes, as the season's gone on our d-line seems less able to put pressure on a consistent basis. Carter is always good for a qb hurry or sack, but he can't be the only one.

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yea i totally agree. our biggest need is d-line. a replacement for taylor we can draft later in a later round. on saftie that really looked goood to me was that safty out of Hawaii.... i cant remember his name at the moment but he seems like an option that we could draft later in the draft.

i agree with the majority of the poeple on here in saying that we should draft chris long to devople a stronger pass rush.

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There are so many needs for this team it's kind of mind boggling. I really think that we should draft based on the talent available where we need it. We really need some depth for the o-line but that is what the 3-6th rounds are for. I think that the first 2 rounds should be a FS and a D linemen.

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[quote=freddyg12;388238]yes, [B]as the season's gone on our d-line seems less able to put pressure on a consistent basis[/B]. Carter is always good for a qb hurry or sack, but he can't be the only one.[/quote]

I think that has more to do with issues in coverage. Rogers out, Taylor, Smoot in and out each week, Springs nicked up and personal issues, etc.

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i don't know matty, it looks to me like alot of teams that have actually tried to run against us (especially on first down) have made it to the second level with ease...

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[QUOTE=canthetuna;388348]i don't know matty, it looks to me like alot of teams that have actually tried to run against us (especially on first down) have made it to the second level with ease...[/QUOTE]

Part of this might be because we play our safeties 25-30 yards off the line.

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Just my opinion but I really think you guys are really discounting Doughty...
He's no Sean Taylor but then ST was a supernova anyway, a once in a lifetime player...All we need is a decent starter I think Reed fills that role nicely...the schemes can be changed to play to Doughty's strengths and weaknesses just like they did with Sean...We've got some outstanding young players in Landry, McIntosh, Rogers, Blades, etc...

Our priorities should be the O&D-line, then the O&D-line, then the O&D-line...oh and did I mention the O&D-line?

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Man I think we take Kenny Phillips, from there we draft d-line, then o line. It may be a strange pick since he's for the U, but IMO a good one. No one could ever replace ST!