Campbell's Shortcoming
 

Jason Campbell's had a lot of good games for us, and makes a lot of great throws. But I think this highlights the fact that we're still talking about a young QB who needs time to develop.

I took NFL QB stats, and added together INTs and Fumbles Lost. Campbell leads the NFL in fumbles lost at the QB position. This combined total, essentially amounting to turnovers, was then calculated on a per-game basis.

Here's where Campbell ranks:

[FONT=Arial]Name ,Team, TO PG[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial]Trent Dilfer ,SFO, 2.17[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial]Brian Griese ,CHI, 1.83[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial]Eli Manning ,NYG, 1.75[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial]Damon Huard ,KAN, 1.6[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial][B]Jason Campbell ,WAS, 1.58[/B][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial]Drew Brees ,NOR, 1.5[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial]Jon Kitna ,DET, 1.5[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial]Philip Rivers ,SDG, 1.5[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial]Vince Young ,TEN, 1.45[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial]Rex Grossman ,CHI, 1.43[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial]Kurt Warner ,ARI, 1.4[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial]Tony Romo ,DAL, 1.33[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial]Carson Palmer ,CIN, 1.33[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial]Marc Bulger ,STL, 1.33[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial]Derek Anderson ,CLE, 1.25[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial]J[/FONT][FONT=Arial]ay Cutler ,DEN, 1.25[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial]Peyton Manning ,IND, 1.17[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial]Ben Roethlisberger ,PIT, 1.17[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial]Daunte Culpepper ,OAK, 1.14[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial]Kellen Clemens ,NYJ, 1.14[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial]Matt Schaub ,HOU, 1.09[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial]Brett Favre ,GNB, 1.08[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial]Matt Hasselbeck ,SEA, 1.08[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial]Donovan McNabb ,PHI, 1[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial]Chad Pennington ,NYJ, 1[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial]J.P. Losman ,BUF, 1[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial]Kyle Boller ,BAL, 0.9[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial]Tom Brady ,NWE, 0.67[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial]Joey Harrington ,ATL, 0.67[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial]Jeff Garcia ,TAM, 0.45[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial]David Garrard ,JAC, 0.33[/FONT]

Fumbles lost, at least with QBs, is an indicator of line play as much as the QB play. But one of my frustrations with Campbell is that he should be feeling the rush and doing a better job of securing the ball when someone's bearing down on him. That's definitely the part of his game that needs the most improvement.

I think he'll improve over time and be a good one for sure, but this is just kind of a reality check to anyone who thinks JC is our savior today or even next season.

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[QUOTE=Schneed10;388803]Jason Campbell's had a lot of good games for us, and makes a lot of great throws. But I think this highlights the fact that we're still talking about a young QB who needs time to develop.

I took NFL QB stats, and added together INTs and Fumbles Lost. Campbell leads the NFL in fumbles lost at the QB position. This combined total, essentially amounting to turnovers, was then calculated on a per-game basis.

Here's where Campbell ranks:

[FONT=Arial]Name ,Team, TO PG[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial]Trent Dilfer ,SFO, 2.17[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial]Brian Griese ,CHI, 1.83[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial]Eli Manning ,NYG, 1.75[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial]Damon Huard ,KAN, 1.6[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial][B]Jason Campbell ,WAS, 1.58[/B][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial]Drew Brees ,NOR, 1.5[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial]Jon Kitna ,DET, 1.5[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial]Philip Rivers ,SDG, 1.5[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial]Vince Young ,TEN, 1.45[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial]Rex Grossman ,CHI, 1.43[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial]Kurt Warner ,ARI, 1.4[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial]Tony Romo ,DAL, 1.33[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial]Carson Palmer ,CIN, 1.33[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial]Marc Bulger ,STL, 1.33[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial]Derek Anderson ,CLE, 1.25[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial]J[/FONT][FONT=Arial]ay Cutler ,DEN, 1.25[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial]Peyton Manning ,IND, 1.17[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial]Ben Roethlisberger ,PIT, 1.17[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial]Daunte Culpepper ,OAK, 1.14[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial]Kellen Clemens ,NYJ, 1.14[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial]Matt Schaub ,HOU, 1.09[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial]Brett Favre ,GNB, 1.08[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial]Matt Hasselbeck ,SEA, 1.08[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial]Donovan McNabb ,PHI, 1[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial]Chad Pennington ,NYJ, 1[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial]J.P. Losman ,BUF, 1[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial]Kyle Boller ,BAL, 0.9[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial]Tom Brady ,NWE, 0.67[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial]Joey Harrington ,ATL, 0.67[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial]Jeff Garcia ,TAM, 0.45[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial]David Garrard ,JAC, 0.33[/FONT]

Fumbles lost, at least with QBs, is an indicator of line play as much as the QB play. But one of my frustrations with Campbell is that he should be feeling the rush and doing a better job of securing the ball when someone's bearing down on him. That's definitely the part of his game that needs the most improvement.

I think he'll improve over time and be a good one for sure, but this is just kind of a reality check to anyone who thinks JC is our savior today or even next season.[/QUOTE]

Stats tell us everything and nothing.. He ranks behind such luminary QB as Joey Harrington, JP Losman, Kyle Boller, Kellen Clemens and Rex Grossman.. Ball security is an issue as are his red zone decisions, but that's not enough to serve as a 'reality check' for those of us who think he's the best (present and future) we've had under center in well over 20 years..

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JC has to work on securing the ball and I'm sure he knows that.

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Good info. I knew he was at the top in fumbles, but I don't feel scared w/him the way I did when Rypien was fumbling everywhere back in the day. You can tell he's trying to tow that line between patience & holding it too long. It can only come w/experience. On the filp side, he still sometimes rushes passes, e.g. the 2 in the tampa game.

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He'll clean the fumble thing up. That's really a function of him trying to make plays down the field right up until the last second which is a good thing. He'll learn when he needs to secure the ball better over time.

What is a concern for me is his propensity to decide which receiver he's going to throw to before the snap and then not come off that guy. The ability to get to second and third reads is the difference between Joe Montana and Tony Banks. It is the single most impoprtant attribute an NFL QB can have. Its' more important than arm strength, mobility, or even accuracy. You have to be able to see the entire field. Sometimes it seems like Campbell has this intangible and other times it seems he doesn't. I guess the jury is still out.

Gibbs has always understood that this quality is a rare one and that is one reason he emphasizes the running game so much. A team that can run the ball can put it's QB in situations where the reads are simpler and his chances for failure are greatly reduced. The offensive line and the running game have done a lousy job (with a few exceptions like the Jets game) of helping the young guy out.

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Yea it's a combination of his feel in the pocket and our horrendous offensive line play. But he's got to learn to step up in the pocket a little. I think he will get better at it and our line is going to get better as well. There's only one way to go and thats up.

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[quote=redsk1;388826]Yea it's a combination of his feel in the pocket and our horrendous offensive line play. But he's got to learn to step up in the pocket a little. I think he will get better at it and our line is going to get better as well. There's only one way to go and thats up.[/quote]


I agree, the offensive line has a lot to do with the fumbling issue. Sometimes Campbell almost seems too calm in the pocket, maybe its just me but he doesnt seem to have that sense of urgency when it really counts. He has also been making very poor decisions late in games for us, sometimes multiple times in one game.

With the way Gibbs likes to play games i dont see us winning a lot of close ones unless Campbell learns how to finish. On another note you said "there's only one way to go and thats up" dude, ive been saying that for years though, when the hell is it going to go up for us.

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[quote=Paintrain;388808]Stats tell us everything and nothing.. He ranks behind such luminary QB as Joey Harrington, JP Losman, Kyle Boller, Kellen Clemens and Rex Grossman.. Ball security is an issue as are his red zone decisions, but that's not enough to serve as a 'reality check' for those of us who think he's the best (present and future) we've had under center in well over 20 years..[/quote]

Yes, but is it any coincidence that the Jags look so good with Garrard, who is taking care of the ball better than anybody in the league?

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Campbell will be fine. Give him experience and a better O-line, and you'll see him take the next step.

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A good offensive line cures ALL woes (including defense).
- running the ball would've given us options in the red zone for these close games instead of having JC try to throw it in.
- it would have given him more time to go through his progressions and see the field better
- it would have allowed for him to work on timing...prevented dropped balls and INT's
- it would have cut down the fumbles and sacks due to a collapsing pocket.
- it would have kept our defense fresher when we controlled TOP

If you really think about it, thats the BEST thing that new england has going for them. Tom brady has as much time as he wants and he throws it 40-50 times a game. The games when teams have gotten through to him is when the pats have looked VERY human. Brady isn't immune to making bad decisions when he is pressured. Their defense is good but not dominant. Their running game is nothing spectacular.

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I love Campbell and all I want is to see him succeed and think he will be a good qb but it is taking some time. I look at the worthless Tony Homo and wonder if Jason should be at that level being that he has had about the same amount of starts as Homo. I cannot stand Homo but I really wish that Campbell could have the success he is having. I would not in any way want Homo over Campbell but was wondering if he should be further along in his progression?

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Our line play was really bad last Sunday but has not been all that bad this year even with all of our injuries. He has lost several fumbles where the defender would not have had a sack and just was able to knock the ball loose. he has had several fumbles while running and added another last week. Our team is averaging 2.33 fumbles per game thats 28 for the year and loosing 1.25 per game. Thats if I did the math right.
28 fumbles divided by 12 games=2.33
15 lost fumbles divided by 12 games=1.25

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[quote=rstone1979;388863]I love Campbell and all I want is to see him succeed and think he will be a good qb but it is taking some time. I look at the worthless Tony Homo and wonder if Jason should be at that level being that he has had about the same amount of starts as Homo. I cannot stand Homo but I really wish that Campbell could have the success he is having. I would not in any way want Homo over Campbell but was wondering if he should be further along in his progression?[/quote]

Romo is a 5 year vet, JC is in his 3rd year.

Some people here don't think that the two extra years on the bench gives Romo an advantage, but I say it definitely does.

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I know that ESPN and everyone else who covers the NFL drills this and makes such a big deal out of this but it is true... Tony Romo improvises and MAKES things happen. If his receivers aren't open and the pocket is collapsing you will never see Tony stand in there and take a hit. He moves around until someone gets open and he throws it. He has great football instincts. That is what makes him more successful than Campbell. I'm not saying Campbell is a better play but he just doesen't feel the pocket like Romo does. As for Tony's bench time compared to Jason's I don't think it matters much because Tony has a skill that can't really be coached.

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[quote=chrisl4064;388830]I agree, the offensive line has a lot to do with the fumbling issue. Sometimes Campbell almost seems too calm in the pocket, maybe its just me but he doesnt seem to have that sense of urgency when it really counts. He has also been making very poor decisions late in games for us, sometimes multiple times in one game.

With the way Gibbs likes to play games i dont see us winning a lot of close ones unless Campbell learns how to finish. On another note you said "there's only one way to go and thats up" dude, ive been saying that for years though, when the hell is it going to go up for us.[/quote]

Good point, I was specifically alluding to the oline play this year though. I can't get much worse than it has been.

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[quote=Cowell;388878]I know that ESPN and everyone else who covers the NFL drills this and makes such a big deal out of this but it is true... Tony Romo improvises and MAKES things happen. If his receivers aren't open and the pocket is collapsing you will never see Tony stand in there and take a hit. He moves around until someone gets open and he throws it. He has great football instincts. That is what makes him more successful than Campbell. I'm not saying Campbell is a better play but he just doesen't feel the pocket like Romo does. As for Tony's bench time compared to Jason's I don't think it matters much because Tony has a skill that can't really be coached.[/quote]

Unfortunately, there only a couple of QB's in the NFL that are better than Romo right now. You're right, his mobility and his improvising makes him very tough to defend. Add that w/ good talent, maybe great talent around him and you've got yourself a dominant team.

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[QUOTE=Schneed10;388838]Yes, but is it any coincidence that the Jags look so good with Garrard, who is taking care of the ball better than anybody in the league?[/QUOTE]

I guess not, but then explain Joey Harrington 2 places later.. Like I said, stats tell you everything at the same time they tell you nothing.

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These debates about JC are getting a little old. The guy is essentially a rookie, playing in his first full season. Most if not all Rookie QB's make the same basic mistakes we see from Campbell. You will see those highlight plays and games that make him look like a probowler, but you will also see those games where he struggles. That is with all QB's in the NFL, even vets. Lets not keep throwing Jason under the bus with these things. He has struggled some this year, but has made plays to win games. Would we even be talking about this if we hadn't blown 5 4th quarter leads and be sitting 10-2 or 9-3? I dont think so.

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[QUOTE=Paintrain;388808]Stats tell us everything and nothing.. He ranks behind such luminary QB as Joey Harrington, JP Losman, Kyle Boller, Kellen Clemens and Rex Grossman.. Ball security is an issue as are his red zone decisions, but that's not enough to serve as a 'reality check' for those of us who think he's the best (present and future) we've had under center in well over 20 years..[/QUOTE]

plan and simple we dont have a go to guy in the red zone..we have a bunch of speedy recievers but none like the t.o.,moss,andre johnson throw the ball and i get it guys..and with a injured offensive line we cant expect for portis to pound it in.if these werent problems we'd have 5 more wins under our belt i.e. the packers,giants,bucs,eagles and cowboys...only game we actually lost was the patriots game..

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[quote=#56fanatic;388911]These debates about JC are getting a little old. The guy is essentially a rookie, playing in his first full season. Most if not all Rookie QB's make the same basic mistakes we see from Campbell. You will see those highlight plays and games that make him look like a probowler, but you will also see those games where he struggles. That is with all QB's in the NFL, even vets. Lets not keep throwing Jason under the bus with these things. He has struggled some this year, but has made plays to win games. Would we even be talking about this if we hadn't blown 5 4th quarter leads and be sitting 10-2 or 9-3? I dont think so.[/quote]



No we wouldnt be talking about it at all. The only problem is in most of those loses he did get us into position to win but he also found a way to turn the ball over.

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I think a lot of this is a function of holding the ball too long. And that comes from being slow on his reads at times, and not just "Brunnelling" it out of bounds or underneath. That will improve. He's also got to secure the ball better as a matter of course, which he can be coached to do.

It'll come, IMO. But he's got to make an improvement there, as no doubt he knows. Time will tell.

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I recall back in I think 1989 Mark Rypien had the same problem and 2 years later he went on to win a SB!!! This can be fixed.

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Im actually a little frustrated with Campbell, but I noticed during the game (and was wondering if anyone else caught this), I think it was during the second or third drive of the game, we were in the redzone and JC was back in the pocket...winding up, and a DE was putting his hand up to swat the ball from him, just like has happened so many times this season...but he pulled it down and ran for a few yards to set up third and six (I believe) rather then giving up a fumble. I was impressed by that, but then later in the game obviously he made a couple other mistakes, so we'll see, he's still developing, but so far he has left a lot to be desired.

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BTW

I think most of the issue with fumbles is with the line. I know they are doing better then we would have expected considering how beat up they've been, but they are still pretty lousy, Portis cant run, Jason gets sacked quite a bit, and we havent completed any deep bpmbs for TDs all season nor have we taken many shots, and I think that the line is directly responsible. With better blocking we get a run game going, and JC has time in the pocket to throw down field. If we dont significantly upgrade the O-line next year I may not even watch them play.

OK of course I will, but I bet we'll see more of this same crap.

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Campbell crumbles under pressure.

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[quote=Schneed10;388803]Jason Campbell's had a lot of good games for us, and makes a lot of great throws. But I think this highlights the fact that we're still talking about a young QB who needs time to develop.

I took NFL QB stats, and added together INTs and Fumbles Lost. Campbell leads the NFL in fumbles lost at the QB position. This combined total, essentially amounting to turnovers, was then calculated on a per-game basis.

Here's where Campbell ranks:

[FONT=Arial]Name ,Team, TO PG[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial]Trent Dilfer ,SFO, 2.17[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial]Brian Griese ,CHI, 1.83[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial]Eli Manning ,NYG, 1.75[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial]Damon Huard ,KAN, 1.6[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial][B]Jason Campbell ,WAS, 1.58[/B][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial]Drew Brees ,NOR, 1.5[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial]Jon Kitna ,DET, 1.5[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial]Philip Rivers ,SDG, 1.5[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial]Vince Young ,TEN, 1.45[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial]Rex Grossman ,CHI, 1.43[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial]Kurt Warner ,ARI, 1.4[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial]Tony Romo ,DAL, 1.33[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial]Carson Palmer ,CIN, 1.33[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial]Marc Bulger ,STL, 1.33[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial]Derek Anderson ,CLE, 1.25[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial]J[/FONT][FONT=Arial]ay Cutler ,DEN, 1.25[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial]Peyton Manning ,IND, 1.17[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial]Ben Roethlisberger ,PIT, 1.17[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial]Daunte Culpepper ,OAK, 1.14[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial]Kellen Clemens ,NYJ, 1.14[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial]Matt Schaub ,HOU, 1.09[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial]Brett Favre ,GNB, 1.08[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial]Matt Hasselbeck ,SEA, 1.08[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial]Donovan McNabb ,PHI, 1[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial]Chad Pennington ,NYJ, 1[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial]J.P. Losman ,BUF, 1[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial]Kyle Boller ,BAL, 0.9[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial]Tom Brady ,NWE, 0.67[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial]Joey Harrington ,ATL, 0.67[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial]Jeff Garcia ,TAM, 0.45[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial]David Garrard ,JAC, 0.33[/FONT]

Fumbles lost, at least with QBs, is an indicator of line play as much as the QB play. But one of my frustrations with Campbell is that he should be feeling the rush and doing a better job of securing the ball when someone's bearing down on him. That's definitely the part of his game that needs the most improvement.

I think he'll improve over time and be a good one for sure, but this is just kind of a reality check to anyone who thinks JC is our savior today or even next season.[/quote]

I don't alot of attention to this. He needs to do better holding on to the ball. But some of the fumbles are not his fault. He also leads all QB's in rushing. Bottom line is he needs to get better just like everyone else on the team. I think he will.

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I just keep thinking about the inordinate amount of pressure on this kid. He has no true #1 receiver to look to. A patchwork offensive line. The running game has been less than stellar. We've had back to back games where his interceptions were a huge factor. The weight of knowing that the fanbase has placed all their hopes on him as our long awaited and heralded franchise QB. To top it off, he has to try and deal with the death of a teammate and lead this team to a respectable finish.

This kid needs to have a big finish in a game soon. He could use a serious boost of confidence right now.

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[QUOTE=Lady Brave;388974]I just keep thinking about the inordinate amount of pressure on this kid. He has no true #1 receiver to look to. A patchwork offensive line. The running game has been less than stellar. We've had back to back games where his interceptions were a huge factor. The weight of knowing that the fanbase has placed all their hopes on him as our long awaited and heralded franchise QB. To top it off, he has to try and deal with the death of a teammate and lead this team to a respectable finish.

This kid needs to have a big finish in a game soon. He could use a serious boost of confidence right now.[/QUOTE]

Good points. Campbell seems to start hot, and then fizzle as the game wears on.

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[QUOTE=Staind;388949]Campbell crumbles under pressure.[/QUOTE]

If you mean to say that Jason has a tendency to fumble when hit, you are correct. If you are saying that Jason can't handle psychological pressure you could not be more wrong.

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[quote=Beemnseven;388978]Good points. Campbell seems to start hot, and then fizzle as the game wears on.[/quote]

I wonder how much of that is Jason and how much of that is the lack of good halftime adjustments? It's no secret Gibbs V2.0 has struggled worse than any other team in the league during that span, and Campbell has only started 18 of those games.

The turnovers per game stat wouldn't even be close to that number if he didn't fumble when hit. It's not like he throws awful, Grossman-esque picks on a regular basis. He just simply has to work on feeling pressure and tucking the ball away. A few of the fumbles he held it the ball too long, and a few were just busted O-line assignments. He hasn't fumbled yet when he's chosen to scramble and knows a hit is coming. If he was even just a little better at feeling pressure that stat wouldn't be so skewed. And the O-line could play a little better too. It'll be interesting to see if the fumbles continue at the same pace now that we're getting Randy back...

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[QUOTE=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;388979]If you mean to say that Jason has a tendency to fumble when hit, you are correct. If you are saying that Jason can't handle psychological pressure you could not be more wrong.[/QUOTE]

I have seen Campbell several times make a huge mistake come fourth quarter in tight games. The longer he's on the feild the worse he gets.

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[QUOTE=SouperMeister;388854]Campbell will be fine. Give him experience and a better O-line, and you'll see him take the next step.[/QUOTE]

Thank You I totally agree 100% he needs more experience and a better o-line badly.

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[QUOTE=Redskin Warrior;389009]Thank You I totally agree 100% he needs more experience and a better o-line badly.[/QUOTE]



and a more reliable receiver...moss drops too many big game passes..and randle el hasnt lived up to his super bowl hype.

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all i can say is, thanks eli.

out of the 13 QBs that have started every game this year, eli is by far the worst in a whole bunch of categories, which is good, cause campbell is 12th in most of them :/ .

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[quote=Schneed10;388838]Yes, but is it any coincidence that the Jags look so good with Garrard, who is taking care of the ball better than anybody in the league?[/quote]

It's also no coincidence that Garrard threw his first INT last week when the Jags were placed in a position where they had to pass the ball and couldn't rely on the run game. This is also Garrard's 6th season. Last season, in 10 games started, Garrard threw 10 tds/9 ints, had 4 fumbles, 2 lost. I'm confident Jason will come around.

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[quote=Paintrain;388895]I guess not, but then explain Joey Harrington 2 places later.. Like I said, stats tell you everything at the same time they tell you nothing.[/quote]

Harrington has had a pretty good season, all things considered. He has completed 61.5% of his passes and has NEVER fumbled despite being sacked [B]32 times[/B]. [B]That's[/B] ball security.

He hasn't gotten noticed because he has only thrown for 7 TDs. And it's hard to fault him for that given their WR play.

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Good blog entry by JLC on the matter...
[url=http://blog.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/2007/12/patience_with_the_passer.html]Patience With The Passer - Redskins Insider[/url]

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Beat me to it, Payne. More good stuff from JLC--the man is on a roll.

This strikes me as a moot argument right now--we're locked into JC for the next few seasons at least--we're not going after another QB, even if the negative comments are correct, which I doubt--with all the other needs we have.

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[quote=JWsleep;389166]Beat me to it, Payne. More good stuff from JLC--the man is on a roll.

This strikes me as a moot argument right now--we're locked into JC for the next few seasons at least--we're not going after another QB, even if the negative comments are correct, which I doubt--with all the other needs we have.[/quote]

I can only speak for myself and can't speak on the comments others have made, but to criticize Campbell is certainly not why I started the thread.

The point of this thread was to point out that Campbell is exhibiting behaviors typical of young QBs - not totally careful with the ball. It was also to say that Campbell will get a lot better as he learns to control this.

Mainly though, my point was nobody should get too down on the young fella because that's what he is, young. He's making the mistakes you expect to see a young QB make - and we shouldn't expect too much of him so soon. He'll only get better, and hopefully he improves and doesn't go the way of Patrick Ramsey.

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[QUOTE=Schneed10;389067]Harrington has had a pretty good season, all things considered. He has completed 61.5% of his passes and has NEVER fumbled despite being sacked [B]32 times[/B]. [B]That's[/B] ball security.

He hasn't gotten noticed because he has only thrown for 7 TDs. And it's hard to fault him for that given their WR play.[/QUOTE]

He hasn't gotten noticed because he was benched twice and they are awful.. I can't give any list that Joey Harrington is near the leaders in any credibility, sorry.