Why All The Hate Toward The Patriots?
 

I really don't get it. I know Bill Belichick and, to some, Tom Brady aren't the most likable guys around, [I](actually I happen to like Brady but that's neither here nor there)[/I] but all they do is compete hard and win games. That's it; they win games. And I don't find them to be smug or ungrateful about it. It's usually the other teams that are talking trash leading up to the games, not the Pats. The media, just to be fair to the Pats, zoom in on every little sideline twitch and post game greeting by Belichick. It's so absurd. If he doesn't smooze with the opposing coach after the game, then he's being an asshole. On the other hand, if he shakes the guy's hand then he's just doing it for the cameras. It's funny, with Brady you have just as many people curious about his post game outfit more than the number of touchdowns he'll throw for during the game. Let's face it, they are in a no win situation.

But the real question is...well, I guess not so much a question as much as commentary, I suppose. How in the hell are they being bad sportsmen and how should they act? To be brutally honest, I think we have this fluffy definition of sportsmanship. I think we want it both ways in our society. We like winners, which is fine, but then we want to feel good about the guys that win. We want them to sign autographs, smile on que, give shout outs to everyone that helped them make it, and shake hands on the way down from the podium. Then on top of that, we tend to unjustly judge their personal lives. Are they good to their wives, good to their kids, and do they do community service work. If the answer is no to any of the three aforementioned, we pile on more as evidence of what douche bags they are. I think as long as one is being professional and playing according to the rules then, hey, it's all good.

Trust me, I'm no fan of the Patriots but I am a fan - a huge fan - of the way they're handling business right now. A lot NFL teams and head coaches, active and retired, would do themselves a great service by taking note of how they play on the field and not giving so much attention to what they're doing off it.

All week leading up to the Steeler's game all you heard about was this punk from the Steelers that was shit talking about how they were going to win and this and that. If the Patriots are guilty of anything, it's winning. And if we don't like them winning and the way they win games, then let's just say that. Tom Brady had a brilliant quote in response to Anthony Smith's guarantee, "well done is better than well said."

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I think Tom Brady is posessed of a kind of indefinable shittiness that is difficult to put your finger on. I think at some point someone was feeding him biddy.

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I think it's easy to understand why people hate the Patriots.

For starters they've had a long run of success and people tend to get sick of seeing the same team winning over and over. Society tends to love the underdog but once that dog becomes a dynasty, we can't wait to see them stumble. And the way they are doing it this year by steamrolling teams and running up scores makes them even easier to hate than in previous years.

The single most biggest reason though is probably Belichick. Let's face it he's very easy to hate, in fact he doesn't give you much of a reason to like him at all. That's probably the way he wants it.

I don't think Brady is hated as much as Belichick, but his cocky, pretty boy attitude definitely can rub people the wrong way.

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I think it's the fact that "THEY GOT CAUGHT CHEATING". That definitely couldn't be helping.

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They might be fine people, but we don't see it. Go watch a press conference. They are so smug and their contempt for everyone outside of the locker room is palpable. I also don't like Tony Romo for much of the same reasons I don't like Tom Brady. Go watch a couple of their press conferences, how could you like those guys? I wouldn't want to hang out with them. They're great players, no question. But unless you're a fan of those teams I really don't know how you can like them honestly. Compare that to Jason Campbell, Chris Cooley, Peyton Manning, or some of the other good guys in the league. A lot of folks don't like Manning (I guess because he has so many commercials) but the that is a guy who just works his butt off plus he has a great personality (IMHO). Maybe it's just because Brady has no personality to speak of (go watch that SNL he hosted, it was brutal). Also look at how the Colts handled being up 44-7 on the Ravens and think about what the Pats would have done.

As with most things I think Gregg Easterbrook nailed it in a column a few months ago and said it more eloquently than I could.

[url=http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=easterbrook/071023&sportCat=nfl]ESPN Page 2 - TMQ: Good vs. Evil[/url]

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[quote=70Chip;391495]I think Tom Brady is posessed of a kind of indefinable shittiness that is difficult to put your finger on. I think at some point someone was feeding him biddy.[/quote]

I think the fact that Brady is a good looking guy, he's all over GQ, the chicks love him, and he's extremely successful and competitive makes him a convenient target as well.

If Brady looked like, let's say Sam Cassell or someone not so good looking, we probably wouldn't direct so much dislike toward him.

I wonder how much is actually "visual perception" (i just made that up) more than anything else?

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[quote=SC Skins Fan;391499]They might be fine people, but we don't see it. Go watch a press conference. They are so smug and their contempt for everyone outside of the locker room is palpable. I also don't like Tony Romo for much of the same reasons I don't like Tom Brady. Go watch a couple of their press conferences, how could you like those guys? I wouldn't want to hang out with them. They're great players, no question. But unless you're a fan of those teams I really don't know how you can like them honestly. Compare that to Jason Campbell, Chris Cooley, Peyton Manning, or some of the other good guys in the league. A lot of folks don't like Manning (I guess because he has so many commercials) but the that is a guy who just works his butt off plus he has a great personality (IMHO). Maybe it's just because Brady has no personality to speak of (go watch that SNL he hosted, it was brutal). Also look at how the Colts handled being up 44-7 on the Ravens and think about what the Pats would have done.

As with most things I think Gregg Easterbrook nailed it in a column a few months ago and said it more eloquently than I could.

[URL="http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=easterbrook/071023&sportCat=nfl"]ESPN Page 2 - TMQ: Good vs. Evil[/URL][/quote]

But see that's part of the problem, we're comparing them to other, so called, good guys in the NFL.

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Well lets face it, being a little bit humble goes a long way. Yes the coach and the qb are cocky and rude assfaces, but its also the way they have played ball this season, as Matty pointed out. The fact of the matter is the majority likes the 'good guy'. For instance someone who knows they have a great team, but is also greatfull that things are going well. When I think of someone with respect to winning games and superbowls, I like the approach Tony Dungy, Dick Vermeil, and ofcourse Joe Gibbs and countless other winning coaches take during their success, not these current jerkoffs.

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[quote=12thMan;391502]But see that's part of the problem, we're comparing them to other, so called, good guys in the NFL.[/quote]

Well, unfortunately human beings make sense of their world through analogy. I don't see the problem here.

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I agree there is nothing wrong with the way they are winning.

I just am emoptionally retared and cant get over a 55ish to 7 asswhipping we took. I dont like the way they ran the score up and quotes like "what did you want us to do - kick a filed goal?" but that doesnt make them bad sports or whatever in general. :) :)

I am being serouis. If the skins were having a run like that I would have loved the way they are handleing themselves. Belichick is a rock and gets all the BS focused on him and not his team. Brady is playing lights out and has liquid oxygen in his veins (way past ice).

Whats not to like other than "Waaaaaa! Mommmy, Tommy hit me" which is where I am emotionally and have been sacraficing chickens, goats and even a few sheep to the football gods every sunday to ensure the Pats lose; alas, I think they are going to run the table.(/ponders....mebbie if can find a cow ...or a horse....) lololol :)

Bottom line is sometimes you are the windshield and some times you are the bug.......

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52-7. Reason enough for me.

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Man this is fun I never seen so many people worked up over a team playing like no other team. I'm cheering for the Pats because I think its funny how it ticks everyone of. Pats 16 and 0 so you Dolphins fans better stick those corks back in the bottle.

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[quote=The Zimmermans;391498]I think it's the fact that "THEY GOT CAUGHT CHEATING". That definitely couldn't be helping.[/quote]

Once a team is caught cheating, that's it for me. I could care less if "there's some form of cheating going around on every team". Bottom line: you cheat, you suck. You do not deserve to field a team until all people involved are removed indefinitely from the team.

Same goes for the Redskins, btw.

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I like the Patriots. They are a TEAM. They play football the way it should be played. Starters playing special teams, defensive players getting in on offense and not just to block. Have you a heard a word out of Randy Moss since he has gone to New England? No, because it wouldn't be tolerated on that TEAM. The Jets and Fish have no chance to beat the Pats. The Giants will rest most of their starters so any chance that they will pull an upset is out of the question.

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I used to really, really respect the Pats. They are a well coached and run franchise. They are extremely successful on the field. But, for the very same reasons why I respect people such as Art Monk and Joe Gibbs, I despise guys like Belichick. Some people don't really care about character, but I do (that's not directed at you 12th man).

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[quote=coggs;391551]I like the Patriots. They are a TEAM. They play football the way it should be played. Starters playing special teams, defensive players getting in on offense and not just to block. [B]Have you a heard a word out of Randy Moss since he has gone to New England? No, because it wouldn't be tolerated on that TEAM.[/B] The Jets and Fish have no chance to beat the Pats. The Giants will rest most of their starters so any chance that they will pull an upset is out of the question.[/quote]

He's also getting plenty of catches and the team is winning.

It's when things go sour that he acts up. All is well when he's getting his catches.

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i used to like them until they beat San Diego last year and acted like assholes to a team with a lot of class

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;391553]He's also getting plenty of catches and the team is winning.

It's when things go sour that he acts up. All is well when he's getting his catches.[/QUOTE]When he first got to Minnesota he acting like a shmuck. Now, he just goes out and plays.

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[quote=coggs;391561]When he first got to Minnesota he acting like a shmuck. Now, he just goes out and plays.[/quote]

Right, besides that pit stop in Oakland where he pouted his way out of town.

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;391552]I used to really, really respect the Pats. They are a well coached and run franchise. They are extremely successful on the field. But, for the very same reasons why I respect people such as Art Monk and Joe Gibbs, I despise guys like Belichick. Some people don't really care about character, but I do (that's not directed at you 12th man).[/quote]

I didn't take it personally, and I totally understand the statement on the value of character.

But my thing is, I'm not too sure the Patriots are guilty of anything that hasn't been a part of the NFL culture for a long, long time.

As far as the character of the Pats? I'll say this - while they haven't done much to endear football fans to them, I can't really say they don't have character either.

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I think it all stems from Belichick. Belichick has done a pretty good job of establishing himself as an asshole in the public's eye. Short tempered with the media, shoving cameramen, a sordid personal life, and add to that the latest cheating scandal and you have a guy that a lot of people find it really hard to root for.

I can't stand Tom Brady, but like someone else here said, that's more for an indefinable quality of "douchebagedness." Honestly I've never really heard him say anything too crazy, he just strikes me as an arrogant pretty boy. Some people like that, some people don't, I just happen to not like it.

I'd say Belichick's character is seriously in question, whereas Brady is just kind of a douche. Like Sheriff said, some people care about character, some don't.

Quite often football is more than "just a game." If it were just a casual game, then yeah, I can see not caring as much. Football has always (to me, at least) been about more than that.

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The Patriots play great football. There is no question about that. Does that mean we should like them? No. You want to know why people hate them, but have you ever thought about why we should like them? The success of a team is no reason to like them, and I know you aren't saying that. I just thought I'd talk about the flip side of the coin.

So, let's think of the reasons to like the Patriots ...

...

...

... sorry, I can't think of any.

As for Belichick: there are several reasons to dislike him.

1.) He doesn't present himself well. He looks like a slob on the sidelines. You might say, "big deal, it's football." I would say, do you remember when coaches wore suits on the sidelines? What has happened to looking professional?

2.) The only emotion he shows is anger or discomfort. He very rarely shows any happiness. I don't know about you, but I generally don't like people who are always angry, or just never happy.

3.) He was caught cheating. He has a blatant disregard for the rules, and that makes him seem arrogant (along with other things).

4.) He humiliates his opponents -- just another example of his arrogance. A humble person does not think he or she is better, or more important, than others. Bill Belichick is not humble.

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[QUOTE=12thMan;391494]All week leading up to the Steeler's game all you heard about was this [B]punk from the Steelers that was shit talking about how they were going to win[/B] and this and that. If the Patriots are guilty of anything, it's winning. And if we don't like them winning and the way they win games, then let's just say that. Tom Brady had a brilliant quote in response to Anthony Smith's guarantee, "well done is better than well said."[/QUOTE]

For the record, I think Anthony Smith is as much of a dumbass as Brady and Belichick. And for that matter, so are idiots like Joey Porter and the like.

And I'm willing to say I don't like the Patriot's winning and the way they win. I'm fine with that. I have a problem when classless people who lack character seem to continually succeed. It bothers me.

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[quote=GhettoDogAllStars;391570]The Patriots play great football. There is no question about that. Does that mean we should like them? No. You want to know why people hate them, but have you ever thought about why we should like them? The success of a team is no reason to like them, and I know you aren't saying that. I just thought I'd talk about the flip side of the coin.

So, let's think of the reasons to like the Patriots ...

...

...

... sorry, I can't think of any.

As for Belichick: there are several reasons to dislike him.

1.) [B]He doesn't present himself well. He looks like a slob on the sidelines. You might say, "big deal, it's football." I would say, do you remember when coaches wore suits on the sidelines? What has happened to looking professional?[/B]

2.) The only emotion he shows is anger or discomfort. He very rarely shows any happiness. I don't know about you, but I generally don't like people who are always angry, or just never happy.

3.) He was caught cheating. He has a blatant disregard for the rules, and that makes him seem arrogant (along with other things).

4.) He humiliates his opponents -- just another example of his arrogance. A humble person does not think he or she is better, or more important, than others. Bill Belichick is not humble.[/quote]

That's always bugged me too. I guess one could argue his style represents a no-nonsense, all business approach. But I just think he looks like a slob and it's almost like he does it to snub his nose at the league. Hey look at me, I don't give a F and you can't do anything about it.

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[QUOTE=GhettoDogAllStars;391570]The Patriots play great football. There is no question about that. Does that mean we should like them? No. You want to know why people hate them, but have you ever thought about why we should like them? The success of a team is no reason to like them, and I know you aren't saying that. I just thought I'd talk about the flip side of the coin.

So, let's think of the reasons to like the Patriots ...

...

...

... sorry, I can't think of any.

As for Belichick: there are several reasons to dislike him.

1.) He doesn't present himself well. He looks like a slob on the sidelines. You might say, "big deal, it's football." I would say, do you remember when coaches wore suits on the sidelines? What has happened to looking professional?

2.) The only emotion he shows is anger or discomfort. He very rarely shows any happiness. I don't know about you, but I generally don't like people who are always angry, or just never happy.

3.) He was caught cheating. He has a blatant disregard for the rules, and that makes him seem arrogant (along with other things).

4.) He humiliates his opponents -- just another example of his arrogance. A humble person does not think he or she is better, or more important, than others. Bill Belichick is not humble.[/QUOTE]

Excellent points. It always HAS bugged me that he dresses like a slob.

Anyone who wants to argue that the first two points don't matter probably has their head in the sand. Those two go a LONG way in making people hate him, even without the cheating.

Appearances matter, it's the way the world works. If you don't think it matters, try walking into your next job interview wearing wrinkled pants and a cuttoff hoody and scowl the whole time and bark answers at people. Let me know how it goes.

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[quote=GhettoDogAllStars;391570]The Patriots play great football. There is no question about that. Does that mean we should like them? No. You want to know why people hate them, but have you ever thought about why we should like them? The success of a team is no reason to like them, and I know you aren't saying that. I just thought I'd talk about the flip side of the coin.

So, let's think of the reasons to like the Patriots ...

...

...

... sorry, I can't think of any.

As for Belichick: there are several reasons to dislike him.

1.) He doesn't present himself well. He looks like a slob on the sidelines. You might say, "big deal, it's football." I would say, do you remember when coaches wore suits on the sidelines? What has happened to looking professional?

2.) The only emotion he shows is anger or discomfort. He very rarely shows any happiness. I don't know about you, but I generally don't like people who are always angry, or just never happy.

3.) He was caught cheating. He has a blatant disregard for the rules, and that makes him seem arrogant (along with other things).

4.) He humiliates his opponents -- just another example of his arrogance. A humble person does not think he or she is better, or more important, than others. Bill Belichick is not humble.[/quote]

Just be clear, I'm not trying to be the defender of the New England Patriots, and I'm not in love with Bill Belichick or Tom Brady.

*Ghetto, Belichick's sideline appearance is a product of the NFL lowering the bar, not his personal preference in attire. The league simply states that you must wear NFL approved "gear". Granted, he seems to be at the very bottom of the ladder when it comes to appearance, but so what. It almost took an act of Congress for the NFL to permit Mike Nolan to wear a stinkin' suit on the sidelines. Even that is tailored by Reebok or somebody!

You see, the NFL is all about two things: Imagine and money. And whenever someone or a team crosses that concept, then "we" have a problem Houston.

*Humilating opponents? Please, this is football. That argument has been talked about ad nasuem (sp) in another thread. But I hear what you're saying.

*Yes, they did get caught cheating and from what I've seen this season, it didn't mount to a hill of beans because they are still whupping everyone's ass. Do we really think they were the first - or the first caught?

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[QUOTE=12thMan;391589]Just be clear, I'm not trying to be the defender of the New England Patriots, and I'm not in love with Bill Belichick or Tom Brady.
[/quote]

I also feel the need to say this when I play devil's advocate for the Pats. Why? I think the answer to that question could be the answer to your thread.

[QUOTE=12thMan;391589]
*Ghetto, Belichick's sideline appearance is a product of the NFL lowering the bar, not his personal preference in attire. The league simply states that you must wear NFL approved "gear". Granted, he seems to be at the very bottom of the ladder when it comes to appearance, but so what. It almost took an act of Congress for the NFL to permit Mike Nolan to wear a stinkin' suit on the sidelines. Even that is tailored by Reebok or somebody!

You see, the NFL is all about two things: Imagine and money. And whenever someone or a team crosses that concept, then "we" have a problem Houston.
[/quote]

Yeah, I know it's all about marketing, and I think it's lame. It's nice to see guys like Nolan and Del Rio stand up for professional appearance. Why not Belichick?

To be fair, Belichick has dressed well in the past. Look at this picture from a pre-season game just last year:

[img]http://media.scout.com/Media/Image/34/342656.jpg[/img]

[QUOTE=12thMan;391589]
*Humilating opponents? Please, this is football. That argument has been talked about ad nasuem (sp) in another thread. But I hear what you're saying.
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I know, I know, this argument will never end. But, just the fact that there is a question about his humility could be reason people dislike him. Even though some people don't agree that he's humiliating, or think it's justified because of his job, doesn't mean that people who feel otherwise are wrong.

[QUOTE=12thMan;391589]
*Yes, they did get caught cheating and from what I've seen this season, it didn't mount to a hill of beans because they are still whupping everyone's ass. Do we really think they were the first - or the first caught?[/QUOTE]

I'd be willing to bet that they weren't the first to cheat, and aren't the only ones cheating now. That doesn't excuse the behavior.

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[quote=GhettoDogAllStars;391615]I also feel the need to say this when I play devil's advocate for the Pats. Why? I think the answer to that question could be the answer to your thread.



Yeah, I know it's all about marketing, and I think it's lame. It's nice to see guys like Nolan and Del Rio stand up for professional appearance. Why not Belichick?

To be fair, Belichick has dressed well in the past. Look at this picture from a pre-season game just last year:

[IMG]http://media.scout.com/Media/Image/34/342656.jpg[/IMG]



I know, I know, this argument will never end. But, just the fact that there is a question about his humility could be reason people dislike him. Even though some people don't agree that he's humiliating, or think it's justified because of his job, doesn't mean that people who feel otherwise are wrong.



I'd be willing to bet that they weren't the first to cheat, and aren't the only ones cheating now. That doesn't excuse the behavior.[/quote]

points well taken.

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I rooted for them over the Rams in 2002. Was sick of that cocky Martz. At the SB, the Pats were one of the first to ask to be introduced "as a team" unlike other teams who have players announced individually who then dance out onto the field (like Ray Lewis). Also loved the way they drafted and acquired smart ball players who could play both offense and defense (Troy Brown, Vrabel, etc.). My favorite Pats play came against Denver a couple of years ago when Ben Watson chased down Champ Bailey's 100 yd INT return and foiled a TD.

Now, its time for another team to win. I'd like to see them go 16-0, but lose in the playoffs to another gritty team. It could happen.

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I dislike Brady immensely as I said before but he has at least earned the right to be a douchebag if such a thing is possible. Belichick, on the other hand, has a lifetime record of 41 -55 as a HC of teams on which Tom Brady is not the starting QB.

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[quote=mheisig;391569]I can't stand Tom Brady, but like someone else here said, that's more for an indefinable quality of "douchebagedness." Honestly I've never really heard him say anything too crazy, he just strikes me as an arrogant pretty boy. Some people like that, some people don't, I just happen to not like it.[/quote]

There are plenty of little snide remarks that he spits out from behind his pretty boy smile that just make me smile everytime he gets flattened by a 300 pound defensive lineman. After the Ravens game last week; when asked about the 4th & 1 play in which Brady was stuffed, but the Pats got a do-over because Rex Ryan called a timeout, Brady said that he would've had the first down, but he heard the whistle... sure you did asshole...

And then there's Brady the whiney bitch... Why is it ok for Tom Brady to bitch about holding or pass interference anytime he doesn't complete an effing pass? And if one of his passes is grossly over/underthrown, he screams at the receiver for running the wrong route. It's apparently never his fault.

And why is it ok for Tom Brady to run up to Anthony Smith and run his mouth for at least 30 seconds after throwing a touchdown? If that's not the definition of taunting, I don't know what is.

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[quote=BleedBurgundy;391514]52-7. Reason enough for me.[/quote]



Ditto there man, what a bunch of fuck sticks. They all need to go back to elementary school and learn this over again....including the coaching staff. Funny thing about life, what goes around comes around and they will get thiers.

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[quote=Southpaw;391698]There are plenty of little snide remarks that he spits out from behind his pretty boy smile that just make me smile everytime he gets flattened by a 300 pound defensive lineman. After the Ravens game last week; when asked about the 4th & 1 play in which Brady was stuffed, but the Pats got a do-over because Rex Ryan called a timeout, Brady said that he would've had the first down, but he heard the whistle... sure you did asshole...

And then there's Brady the whiney bitch... Why is it ok for Tom Brady to bitch about holding or pass interference anytime he doesn't complete an effing pass? And if one of his passes is grossly over/underthrown, he screams at the receiver for running the wrong route. It's apparently never his fault.

And why is it ok for Tom Brady to run up to Anthony Smith and run his mouth for at least 30 seconds after throwing a touchdown? If that's not the definition of taunting, I don't know what is.[/quote]



The answer is simple, he has a 4 inch tweeter.

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[quote=doxiechic12000;391735]The answer is simple, he has a 4 inch tweeter.[/quote]

What's wrong with having a 4 inch tweeter?

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I don't have a problem with the Pats, they're just a good team. If people wanna see a new team win, they better pray their team gets better or hope Tom Brady's head falls off. Otherwise get used to the Patriots steamrolling everyone for another year or two. The only other teams I think could compare to the Pats are the Steelers and the Colts.

The one thing I don't like about them is that to me, they are the Yankees of football (Sorry Yanks fans). A bunch of hype and then when they get their asses kicked, they'll boohoo about it. (Can you tell I don't like the Yankees? :))

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Teams reflect the personality of the coach. The patriots seem smug because they get it from their coach. Colts are classy due to dungy, same with the Skins. Belichek has always seemed to have the personality of chalk board, and an attitude that he is better than anything or anyone around him. The guys on that team follow him and would run through a brick wall for that dude, as would most of our guys. I personally dont like the pats because I am a little po'd at the lack of class in running up scores and the snide comments made to opposing players, however, I do not think that makes Brady a bad guy. He is confident, he is GREAT, probably one of the greatest of all time, I think he just exudes that confidence in life also. The dude is dating the hottest women on the planet, making tons of millions, winning superbowls, the best QB in the league, I am sure if that was anyone of us, we would be perceived the same way.

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[quote=12thMan;391500]I think the fact that Brady is a good looking guy, he's all over GQ, the chicks love him, and he's extremely successful and competitive makes him a convenient target as well.

If Brady looked like, let's say Sam Cassell or someone not so good looking, we probably wouldn't direct so much dislike toward him.

I wonder how much is actually "visual perception" (i just made that up) more than anything else?[/quote]

Dude you hit it right on the head. People are just bitter cause the guy is great looking, he has a super model for a g/f and above all he's great at what he does. I don't think I've ever heard anything bad about the guy. His teammates really seem to like him too.

If he was a Redskin we'd all love the guy.

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[quote=Duffman003;391554]i used to like them until they beat San Diego last year and acted like assholes to a team with a lot of class[/quote]

They wouldn't have acted like assholes if Merriman wouldn't act like an asshole in the first place by doing that stupid little dance everytime he gets a sack. Do you see any of the pats players doing that crap? Nope. SD looks like the assholes for bitching and showboating after they got beat.

Re: Why All The Hate Toward The Patriots?
 

[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;391552]I used to really, really respect the Pats. They are a well coached and run franchise. They are extremely successful on the field. But, for the very same reasons why I respect people such as Art Monk and Joe Gibbs, I despise guys like Belichick. Some people don't really care about character, but I do (that's not directed at you 12th man).[/quote]

Let me ask you this tough question. We all love Gibbs. But would you rather have a high character guy who isn't a good coach and has a losing record? Or would you rather have a guy who is terrible with the media, has a terrible personality, but wins?

I care about character. But some of the things Bill B. has been accused of is not a big deal to me.

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I don't get where people think Brady is good looking. The dude has a freakishly massive cranium. You could post a billboard on that forehead.