Keys to beating the Vikes
 

So I am bored and I compiled a list of keys to beat the Viks

1)Get ahead early and keep on it!-This is the most important thing because what I got from the game is T.Jackson is not a good passer. We need to get up and do it quick so the Viks are forced to play catchup. This will make Jackson throw alot, and make mistakes. We cannot let A.Peterson control this game.

2)Stop the run-Easier said than done. Take the Bears for example, they just played gaps well and did not over-pursue. We need to work on that because I feel like our D does over pursue at times.

3)Establish our run game-I mean we all saw last game. TC cannot play a 25+attempt passing game. he doesn't have the arm for it, and we need to help him with the run.

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[quote=hooskins;394397]So I am bored and I compiled a list of keys to beat the Viks

1)Get ahead early and keep on it!-This is the most important thing because what I got from the game is T.Jackson is not a good passer. We need to get up and do it quick so the Viks are forced to play catchup. This will make Jackson throw alot, and make mistakes. We cannot let A.Peterson control this game.

2)Stop the run-Easier said than done. Take the Bears for example, they just played gaps well and did not over-pursue. We need to work on that because I feel like our D does over pursue at times.

3)Establish our run game-I mean we all saw last game. TC cannot play a 25+attempt passing game. he doesn't have the arm for it, and we need to help him with the run.[/quote]

I agree with the first two. But not the third. I think Collins can easily have a 25+ pass attempt game in a dome against a team that has given up a lot of big passing plays and just lost their best corner in tonights game. Elements hurt both QBs last night. Collins had 24 attempts in the Bears game two weeks ago, didn't play the full game, and excelled.

Don't get me wrong, I'd rather pound the run, but as strong as the Vikes are against it, I think we'll have to pass first in this one. Pass to set up some OUTSIDE runs. No one gets anything up the middle against Minnesota and Williams & Williams. The last thing I want to see are 3 or 4 three-and-outs to start the game because we insist on running every single 1st and 2nd down.

I say we go for the throat from the get go with a crisp passing attack that will be at a premium indoors with all key pass catchers healthy. We want to get up early and force them to throw with Tavarius Jackson. If it plays out this way I think we could win, and maybe even win big.

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collins can throw it a lot, and im sure he will have to since the vikings have the best run d, and our o-line is mediocre at best

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[quote=Big C;394401]collins can throw it a lot, and im sure he will have to since the vikings have the best run d, and our o-line is mediocre at best[/quote]

As far as pass protection, our guys did a great job against the Giants. Keep it up against Minny and we have a great chance to win.

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I think we have to pass the ball. This team is the best run stuffing team in the NFL, and it's not as if our running game is dominant. I'm totally for west coastish type of passing game. Get the ball in the hands of our backs / speedy WRs but don't necessarily run it a ton.

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Yeah I agree we need to pass to win. I don't see much running room against the Vikings. Collins and the receivers are going to need to have a big day to help open things up.

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i'd blitz jackson every play cause he'll choke everytime and do something stupid.maybe keep a spy on peterson the whole game.

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Yeah, I expect to see a LOT of run blitzes. Keeping AP and CT in check is the key to this game.

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[quote=GMScud;394399]I agree with the first two. But not the third. I think Collins can easily have a 25+ pass attempt game in a dome against a team that has given up a lot of big passing plays and just lost their best corner in tonights game. Elements hurt both QBs last night. Collins had 24 attempts in the Bears game two weeks ago, didn't play the full game, and excelled.

Don't get me wrong, I'd rather pound the run, but as strong as the Vikes are against it, I think we'll have to pass first in this one. Pass to set up some OUTSIDE runs. No one gets anything up the middle against Minnesota and Williams & Williams. The last thing I want to see are 3 or 4 three-and-outs to start the game because we insist on running every single 1st and 2nd down.

I say we go for the throat from the get go with a crisp passing attack that will be at a premium indoors with all key pass catchers healthy. We want to get up early and force them to throw with Tavarius Jackson. If it plays out this way I think we could win, and maybe even win big.[/quote]
He was 15 for 20 in the bears game and did not pass 24 times.

I think if we can slow down the Vikes running game and force them to throw some their QB (forgot his name) is young and will make some mistakes. Also if we could just run the ball enough to keep them up some we can beat them in the air. Last night was the first time I have seen the Vikes play and feel we can beat them if we can keep Peterson in check.

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I agree w/those that say pass first. We'll nickel & dime our way down the field w/screens & short stuff underneath. Make those guys run east - west & wear them out.

On D it will be intersting to see how much GW is willing to stack the box. That's what everyone does v. the vikes cause their air game is lacking.

I really feel we should win this game, we are the veteran team & will make the tough plays that are needed.

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we have to stop the run. plain and simple. right now, Jackson is not an nfl quality quarterback. and our defense needs to be real physical with Petersen. because their coach will run him, and run him some more. and Al Saunders has done a tremendous job the last couple of weeks with the play calling. in the dome, against the good vikes run defense, i look for collins to have a very good game

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We will need a huge game out of HB Blades

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I think you mean Vikes, not Viks

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[QUOTE=freddyg12;394483]I agree w/those that say pass first. We'll nickel & dime our way down the field w/screens & short stuff underneath. Make those guys run east - west & wear them out.

On D it will be intersting to see how much GW is willing to stack the box. That's what everyone does v. the vikes cause their air game is lacking.

I really feel we should win this game, we are the veteran team & will make the tough plays that are needed.[/QUOTE]

Actually, I think the key to the game is simpler: just want it more. If there's one difference between the Skins of the last 2 weeks and the previous four, it was that the Skins were hungry and played with attitude. It has been as though they're looking to take out their frustrations on whoever happens to have the misfortune to me in the field against them. Smash Peterson and Jackson in the mouth a few times; they are young, inexperienced, and will fold.

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[quote=calia;394627]Actually, I think the key to the game is simpler: just want it more. If there's one difference between the Skins of the last 2 weeks and the previous four, it was that the Skins were hungry and played with attitude. It has been as though they're looking to take out their frustrations on whoever happens to have the misfortune to me in the field against them. Smash Peterson and Jackson in the mouth a few times; they are young, inexperienced, and will fold.[/quote]

yeah, we're the vet team & should be able to dictate the terms.

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[QUOTE=irish;394602]I think you mean Vikes, not Viks[/QUOTE]

I refer to them as Vi-not-queens!

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[quote=dmek25;394563]we have to stop the run. plain and simple. right now, Jackson is not an nfl quality quarterback. [B][I]and our defense needs to be real physical with Petersen[/I][/B]. because their coach will run him, and run him some more. and Al Saunders has done a tremendous job the last couple of weeks with the play calling. in the dome, against the good vikes run defense, i look for collins to have a very good game[/quote]

This is EXACTLY the key. I saw on some show (can't remember which one) in where, if you STICK AP early in the game (I don't know what a 'stick' is described, but imagine a Sean Taylor hit) his yards per carry after that are something like 2.0 or less.

It was a crazy stat, and they showed examples of people hitting him hard. He just gets frustrated and stops running hard.

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;394659]This is EXACTLY the key. I saw on some show (can't remember which one) in where, if you STICK AP early in the game (I don't know what a 'stick' is described, but imagine a Sean Taylor hit) his yards per carry after that are something like 2.0 or less.

It was a crazy stat, and they showed examples of people hitting him hard. He just gets frustrated and stops running hard.[/quote]


well Landry has something for him!

Stop the run and load the box and the skins will do well.

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[quote=Mattyk72;394448]Yeah I agree we need to pass to win. I don't see much running room against the Vikings. Collins and the receivers are going to need to have a big day to help open things up.[/quote]

Matty I think you nailed it on this one - according to NFL.com the Vikings are #32 (dead last) against the pass and #1 against the run.
[url=http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?tabSeq=2&statisticCategory=TEAM_PASSING&conference=ALL&role=OPP&season=&seasonType=REG]NFL Stats: by Team Category[/url]

Plus I heard reports that Antoine Winfield may not play due to hamstring issues but I bet he makes an effort to get on the field Sunday because the playoffs are on the line.

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1. Stop the Run (CT + AP -> Chasing Tacklers All Day).
2. Run the Ball (their two defensive tackles are starters on the pro bowl roster).

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[QUOTE=saden1;394768]1. Stop the Run (CT + AP -> Chasing Tacklers All Day).
2. Run the Ball (their two defensive tackles are starters on the pro bowl roster).[/QUOTE]

Exactly....I wasn't toooo impressed with the Vikings last night with the Bears hanging tough on a game the Vikings should of dominated. At this point of the season it's all about heart and confidence, hopefully they will wilt and question themselves, Skins are on a roll. Obviously stopping AP is the key, that guy is incredible...seems like he can switch to full speed on a dime. At least it doesn't seem like they do the screen play to him like Westbrook killed us. I hope we force them into passing...that QB will throw at least one pick....I don't know how much chance CP has against that run defense.....we should pull out the play action and dump offs to Cooley and Randle El. We need the lead early, shut up that crowd and take control...GO SKINS!....

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the defence has got to shut down peterson and taylor...that's the key. and i'll be there to see the game. sec. 105 row 17 seat 13... i can't wait my first game since 80 or 81 and with collins running the offence we're back in the playoff race.

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[quote=hooskins;394397]So I am bored and I compiled a list of keys to beat the Viks

1)Get ahead early and keep on it!-This is the most important thing because what I got from the game is T.Jackson is not a good passer. We need to get up and do it quick so the Viks are forced to play catchup. This will make Jackson throw alot, and make mistakes. We cannot let A.Peterson control this game.

2)Stop the run-Easier said than done. Take the Bears for example, they just played gaps well and did not over-pursue. We need to work on that because I feel like our D does over pursue at times.

3)Establish our run game-I mean we all saw last game. TC cannot play a 25+attempt passing game. he doesn't have the arm for it, and we need to help him with the run.[/quote]

Good luck trying to run against Minn. It's not going to work. Collins can handle 25 + attempts if we can protect him. We will be playing indoors instead of 30 mile an hour winds. Moss and Cooley should be able to have big days.

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I trust GW & co on this one. Usually they do a pretty good job of identifying the opponents strengths and eliminating them.

As for the O...score in the red zone...put up TD's as opposed to FGs.

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The keys to the game against the Vi-Queens.

1) Stop the run. They cannot let Adrian Peterson and Chester Taylor get to the second and third levels. They need solid gap control and pursuit to the ball. Make Tavarius Jackson beat them. If I was Greg Williams, this would be the week that I would empty my bag of blitzes.

2) Have a good mix of pass and run. Pass on first down. Keep the Vi-Queen defense off-balance.

3) The offensive line needs to continue to open up holes for the running game and provide protection for Collins.

4) Blitz...blitz...and then blitz some more. Chase Jackson down like he was a 9/11 hijacker.

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the key to the game. is to just win the damn game by any means necessary