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The Redskins were given a vast amount of chances today and really squandered them. The D kept us in it with Landry and key tackles. However, dropped balls which was key when we got the kick off recovery by mix. Cooley dropped a very catchable ball on the one. A TD there would have but us up by 8 with around 9 to go. The game in my opinion would have over.. the seahawks most likely would have been drained by another TD. The missed FG ridiculous by a professional.. pressure or not its 30 yards. Moss giving up on a route very upsetting but we shouldn't have thrown so deep on the first play. Costly penalties, especially on Mike Sellers the block in the back. It was a great season, and a magical ride. Can't wait till next year.

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Season is over get over it, we over achieved and had a great comeback season. Suisham's missed field goal was a momentum changer but the TD hasselbeck threw to Burleson, Priloeau was burnt.

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Iight dude its not that i'm crying myself to sleep over it, i'm just expressing what really cost us the game. Just stating my opinion bud.

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I'm just not in the mood to hear any whining from anyone, we played a game made mistakes, our OL got outplayed and we lost as simple as that. Don't take it personal.

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We at least got to see that Landry could at least come close to the expectations we had for Taylor. He'll never be ST, but at least we can see a little of him in Landry.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;402536]Season is over get over it, we over achieved and had a great comeback season. Suisham's missed field goal was a momentum changer but the TD hasselbeck threw to Burleson, Priloeau was burnt.[/quote]


Overachieved...that is a bunch of BS. If ST was here to interview, he would tell you that the Skins didn't play to their talent level and let one go tonight. Bottom line is there are still seven teams left that have a chance to go to the superbowl in the NFC, and none of them are better than the Skins.

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[QUOTE=Chief X_Phackter;402597]Overachieved...that is a bunch of BS. If ST was here to interview, he would tell you that the Skins didn't play to their talent level and let one go tonight. Bottom line is there are still seven teams left that have a chance to go to the superbowl in the NFC, and none of them are better than the Skins.[/QUOTE]

We over achieved with 6 replacements for starters. Did we not? Look at the Steelers and their injuries, they are getting their behinds kicked at least we were in it till the end.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;402597]Overachieved...that is a bunch of BS. If ST was here to interview, he would tell you that the Skins didn't play to their talent level and let one go tonight[B]. Bottom line is there are still seven teams left that have a chance to go to the superbowl in the NFC, and none of them are better than the Skins.[/B][/quote]That's just false.

1) There are five teams

2) Each team beat the Skins at least once this year.

We are/were a better team than the Giants. The three most talented teams in the NFC are Dallas, Green Bay, and Tampa Bay, and the fourth most talented team, Seattle, did just put a pretty good licking on us. So at best, we are the 5th best team in our own conference.

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[quote=GTripp0012;402605]That's just false.

1) There are five teams

2) Each team beat the Skins at least once this year.

We are/were a better team than the Giants. The three most talented teams in the NFC are Dallas, Green Bay, and Tampa Bay, and the fourth most talented team, Seattle, did just put a pretty good licking on us. So at best, we are the 5th best team in our own conference.[/quote]

Agree--but hate to admit it--all of those teams are better than us...

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[QUOTE=Chief X_Phackter;402597]Overachieved...that is a bunch of BS. If ST was here to interview, he would tell you that the Skins didn't play to their talent level and let one go tonight. Bottom line is there are still seven teams left that have a chance to go to the superbowl in the NFC, and none of them are better than the Skins.[/QUOTE]

But Taylor isn't here. And today neither was Rogers, Thomas, Jansen, Campbell, McIntosh. So yes today (and for the past several weeks) we overachieved.

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[quote=GTripp0012;402605]That's just false.

1) There are five teams

2) Each team beat the Skins at least once this year.

We are/were a better team than the Giants. The three most talented teams in the NFC are Dallas, Green Bay, and Tampa Bay, and the fourth most talented team, Seattle, did just put a pretty good licking on us. So at best, we are the 5th best team in our own conference.[/quote]

I've enjoyed the crack you were selling, but I can't smoke it no more. I got the #'s off by 2, but are you are telling me that the Cowboys and the Giants (each beaten by the Skins this year), and the Buccaneers, Packers (each squeeked by against the Skins this year), and the Seahawks are the better team? I didn't see anybody put a "licking" on the Skins tonight. Really, one field goal could have put this thing away, those last two TD's were garbage.

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I've got a ? for someone..............On the kickoff after we went up 14-13. Why can a player return a onside kick for a TD. However, on that kickoff our player picks up the ball and runs it in but it is ruled down at the point of touching?

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;402617]I've enjoyed the crack you were selling, but I can't smoke it no more. I got the #'s off by 2, but are you are telling me that the Cowboys and the Giants (each beaten by the Skins this year), and the Buccaneers, Packers (each squeeked by against the Skins this year), and the Seahawks are the better team? I didn't see anybody put a "licking" on the Skins tonight. Really, one field goal could have put this thing away, those last two TD's were garbage.[/quote]I don't think the Giants are that good. They are a 8-8 team going as a 10-6 team for Halloween.

The score was inflated by meaningless TD's, but you can't ignore that the Seahawks beat the crap out of us for three quarters. Some really crazy stuff happened there and we were able to come back, but that's all we could do.

Football is a 60 minute game, and tonight, we won about 3 minutes worth of football. Inflated score aside, that was not our best game, and Seattle is pretty solidly a better team than we are.

Yeah the Bucs, Packers, and Cowboys squeaked by, but I'm not sure thats a good argument: "Three elite teams won close games against us...obviously we are the best of the four."

Actually, I'm pretty sure that's a horrible argument.

We aren't that far off, and are probably closer to the elite than the rest of the pack is to us. We aren't better.

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We are out of the playoffs. There is nothing to complain about. It ain't gonna change the results. We just gotta correct our mistakes next season. We gotta finish games in the 2nd half.

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[quote=Gtothearry;402625]I've got a ? for someone..............On the kickoff after we went up 14-13. Why can a player return a onside kick for a TD. However, on that kickoff our player picks up the ball and runs it in but it is ruled down at the point of touching?[/quote]It's because a Seattle player never touched the ball.

Had Burleson dropped the ball, it could have been returned for a TD. An onside kick also cannot be returned if the receiving team does not touch it.

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[quote=GTripp0012;402626]I don't think the Giants are that good. They are a 8-8 team going as a 10-6 team for Halloween.

The score was inflated by meaningless TD's, but you can't ignore that the Seahawks beat the crap out of us for three quarters. Some really crazy stuff happened there and we were able to come back, but that's all we could do.

Football is a 60 minute game, and tonight, we won about 3 minutes worth of football. Inflated score aside, that was not our best game, and Seattle is pretty solidly a better team than we are.

Yeah the Bucs, Packers, and Cowboys squeaked by, but I'm not sure thats a good argument: "Three elite teams won close games against us...obviously we are the best of the four."

Actually, I'm pretty sure that's a horrible argument.

We aren't that far off, and are probably closer to the elite than the rest of the pack is to us. We aren't better.[/quote]

OK, you're right, I'll quit arguing. They are all better than the Skins. However, I think in your heart you believe different. Maybe next year, HUH?

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Yes, we blew opportunities, but we were flat out beat. I hate to say it, but we were. They made our OLINE look like poo for most of the 1st half, and they knew Springs weaknesses. They just outplayed us. I hate it, but I tip my hat to them, and will continue to cry into my beer for a little while longer. Cause now, more than ever, we didn't just lose, I have to fully come to the realization that Taylor is never coming back. I always felt like he was there with us, now he's not and it hurts.

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[QUOTE=GTripp0012;402631]It's because a Seattle player never touched the ball.

Had Burleson dropped the ball, it could have been returned for a TD. An onside kick also cannot be returned if the receiving team does not touch it.[/QUOTE]

K, I thought on a kickoff that it didn't matter if anyone touched it or not.

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First, I would say we met expectations, not that we underachieved or overachieved.

Second, everyone has been all over Collins jock for the last 4 weeks, saying that he's our best chance to win. It's a bit disingenuous for those people to now say that Campbell would have given us a better shot.

Bottom line - the Skins, as a team, played pretty crappy football for 3 quarters (the first 2.5 and the last .5 quarters). That is why we lost.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;402600]We over achieved with 6 replacements for starters. Did we not? Look at the Steelers and their injuries, they are getting their behinds kicked at least we were in it till the end.[/quote]

They are getting beat by a team with injuries of it's own. Jack is playing w/out Stroud, Henderson and Mike Peterson. Those are three quality, high talent players off their defense. Almost all teams have injuries. It's how you overcome them. Did we overachieve? I think so considering the circumstances. The better team won today.

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[quote=onlydarksets;402644]First, Suisham did not cost the game - the inability to get a TD on that drive cost us the game.


Second, I would say we met expectations, not that we underachieved.

Third, everyone has been all over Collins jock for the last 4 weeks, saying that he's our best chance to win. It's a bit disingenuous for those people to now say that Campbell would have given us a better shot.

Bottom line - the Skins, as a team, played pretty crappy football for 3 quarters (the first 2.5 and the last .5 quarters). That is why we lost.[/quote]

First, Suisham did cost us the game. Those three points along with the field position change was the difference.

Second, we underachieved...period. If you're OK with the achievement, then maybe we met expectations.

Third, yes...everyone has been all over Collins jock. Can you think of a better QB story? No, he didn't take the Skins to the promise land, but is it so disengenuous for the same people to say that he wasn't the catalyst that made even the biggest dis-believers...believers?

Bottom line, the Skins played out of their minds these past four and a half weeks, and they played with the fire and spirit of the best player in the NFL this year, #21 ST. They didn't make it to the promise land as they had hoped, but they still made Skins fans all over the world as proud as can be.

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[QUOTE=onlydarksets;402644]First, I would say we met expectations, not that we underachieved or overachieved.

Second, everyone has been all over Collins jock for the last 4 weeks, saying that he's our best chance to win. It's a bit disingenuous for those people to now say that Campbell would have given us a better shot.

Bottom line - the Skins, as a team, played pretty crappy football for 3 quarters (the first 2.5 and the last .5 quarters). That is why we lost.[/QUOTE]

Collins still played fairly well minus 1 int. (the other was a quit by moss) Collins got rushed all day and had difficulty throwing into the wind. (of course he had trouble with that noodle arm of his) But point remains, he played well. Not great, but well. It's in no way his fault, nor could Campbell have done any better. Niether of them played on the OLine today and that's where we got beat first and foremost.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;402652]First, Suisham did cost us the game. Those three points along with the field position change was the difference.

Second, we underachieved...period. If you're OK with the achievement, then maybe we met expectations.

Third, yes...everyone has been all over Collins jock. Can you think of a better QB story? No, he didn't take the Skins to the promise land, but is it so disengenuous for the same people to say that he wasn't the catalyst that made even the biggest dis-believers...believers?

Bottom line, the Skins played out of their minds these past four and a half weeks, and they played with the fire and spirit of the best player in the NFL this year, #21 ST. They didn't make it to the promise land as they had hoped, but they still made Skins fans all over the world as proud as can be.[/quote]

The first half of my original post was cross-posted from another thread - if you look, I have already amended it. Too many open windows and too much booze.

You missed my point for #3 - someone noted that Campbell was a starter who was out. However, you can't say Collins should start over Campbell, and then say that Campbell could have done better.

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[quote=jsarno;402654]Collins still played fairly well minus 1 int. (the other was a quit by moss) Collins got rushed all day and had difficulty throwing into the wind. (of course he had trouble with that noodle arm of his) But point remains, he played well. Not great, but well. It's in no way his fault, nor could Campbell have done any better. Niether of them played on the OLine today and that's where we got beat first and foremost.[/quote]

I didn't say anything about Collins costing us the game.

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Suisham absolutely did not cost us the game. It was a bad miss, but did not alone cost us the game

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I think a lot of people looked past the Seahawks. People were focus on playing the Cowboys in the divisionals. I never looked past the Seahawks. You know damn well not to look past the Seahawks @ Qwest Field.

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[quote=onlydarksets;402657]The first half of my original post was cross-posted from another thread - if you look, I have already amended it. Too many open windows and too much booze.

You missed my point for #3 - someone noted that Campbell was a starter who was out. However, you can't say Collins should start over Campbell, and then say that Campbell could have done better.[/quote]


#3? HUH?

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;402667]#3? HUH?[/quote]

It comes after 2, but before 4.

I was referring (quite clearly, I thought) to my third point. To cut this short, here is the thread in it's entirety.
[quote=onlydarksets]
Third, everyone has been all over Collins jock for the last 4 weeks, saying that he's our best chance to win. It's a bit disingenuous for those people to now say that Campbell would have given us a better shot.[/quote]
[quote=Chief X_Phacktor]Third, yes...everyone has been all over Collins jock. Can you think of a better QB story? No, he didn't take the Skins to the promise land, but is it so disengenuous for the same people to say that he wasn't the catalyst that made even the biggest dis-believers...believers?
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[quote=onlydarksets]
You missed my point for #3 - someone noted that Campbell was a starter who was out. However, you can't say Collins should start over Campbell, and then say that Campbell could have done better.[/quote]
[quote=Chief X_Phackter;402667]#3? HUH?[/quote]

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[QUOTE=onlydarksets;402659]I didn't say anything about Collins costing us the game.[/QUOTE]

I apologize for that implication...I wasn't combatting you but going with your comment. I know you didn't say that.

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[quote=onlydarksets;402672]It comes after 2, but before 4.

I was referring (quite clearly, I thought) to my third point. To cut this short, here is the thread in it's entirety.[/quote]

Well, as long as it is clear to YOU!

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[QUOTE=Chief X_Phackter;402685]Well, as long as it is clear to YOU![/QUOTE]

Probably shouldn't jump in here, but it wasn't just HIM that saw it clearly.

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[quote=jsarno;402684]I apologize for that implication...I wasn't combatting you but going with your comment. I know you didn't say that.[/quote]

Gotcha - my bad.

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[QUOTE=GTripp0012;402631]

An onside kick also cannot be returned if the receiving team does not touch it.[/QUOTE]

So, it would just be a change of posession then.

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[QUOTE=NinjaLink;402629]We are out of the playoffs. There is nothing to complain about. It ain't gonna change the results. We just gotta correct our mistakes next season. We gotta finish games in the 2nd half.[/QUOTE]

My contention is we have to take charge in the first half. Wasted opportunities all around, compounded by seagalls D blowing by our depleted O Line.

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[quote=onlydarksets;402644]First, I would say we met expectations, not that we underachieved or overachieved.

Second, everyone has been all over Collins jock for the last 4 weeks, saying that he's our best chance to win. It's a bit disingenuous for those people to now say that Campbell would have given us a better shot.

Bottom line - the Skins, as a team, played pretty crappy football for 3 quarters (the first 2.5 and the last .5 quarters). That is why we lost.[/quote]
Exactly They were very quick to seem like Campbell was nothing but a bum.... Now who is the bum?

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I'm not taking anything personal haha, just don't try to sound like a badass saying we overachieved. We played like shit and as a skin fan and this is for everyone you felt like this team definetly could have won this and definetly gone to dallas and gave it a run. I'm just a disappointed fan thats it, and disappointed for the whole team because of how great they were playing