Training Camp '08: Open competition between Collins and Campbell?
 

Gibbs doesn't exactly sound like he's endorsing Campbell as the starter for the start of the 2008 season:

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Wasn't there another thread like this one? Maybe I'm mistaken.

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[quote=DynamiteRave;404051]Wasn't there another thread like this one? Maybe I'm mistaken.[/quote]

Could be. I did a search but didn't see anything concrete...

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I dont think there is. The other thread is about how the players feel and this one is about Gibbs. So I guess they're legitimately different. :D

Anyway. I hope Gibbs endorses JC. For some reason I don't wanna see TC as the starter next year.

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It's sort of discussed in the Gibbs Presser thread. I don't think this is a big deal really. I think

1. He just wants to show TC some love because he's a free agent and he wants to stay
2. Everyone inside the organization has told Campbell it's his team but Gibbs has probably learned his lesson about any public proclamations since RamseyGate 2004
3. A little competition never hurt anyone anyway

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I really hope your right SS because I think this could be really harmful to JC. Not giving your "starting" quarterback a vote of confidence heading into the offseason can be damaging to him. I kinda wish Gibbs will just say Campbell will be preparing like he will be the regular starter in '08. Then again maybe Gibbs doesn't want to say anything because he's unsure whether or not he'll be back.

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I don't think TC has any shot in hell in taking the starting job from JC. Todd, even though he put in a great effort to end the season is not someone we want to rebuild for. With the way the defense's around the leauge are keying in on speed the past couple of years, his mobility really comes into question. Also, he doesn't have a gun to get the ball to our speed receiver. Good effort, but I think it's way to late for him.
I also agree that not giving Jason the nod prior to the off-season is going make him a little less positive about it.
And don't sign Todd back for a big QB pay-check. He's here to teach, and be the back-up.

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[QUOTE=mooby;404064]I really hope your right SS because I think this could be really harmful to JC.[B] Not giving your "starting" quarterback a vote of confidence heading into the offseason can be damaging to him. [/B]I kinda wish Gibbs will just say Campbell will be preparing like he will be the regular starter in '08. Then again maybe Gibbs doesn't want to say anything because he's unsure whether or not he'll be back.[/QUOTE]

Wow - it's like offiss part deux. Wasn't this what we said about Ramsey a couple years ago?

Look. I like JC, I think JC is the future. With that said, the boy better be able to take a little competition. That's the way the NFL rolls - unless your name is Farve, Manning or Brady, someone is always trying to take your job. So put your big boy pants on JC and show'em why your the number 1 guy in town.

JC has progressed and if he continues to do so, no worries - ain't no way TC takes the job from an improved Campbell. BUT, if he pulls a Ramsey and just doesn't get any better, then TC steps in until the next "QB of the future" rolls into town.

Campbell has shown some great flashes (just like Ramsey did). He has also thrown some big interceptions (just like Ramsey did). Next year is Campbell's "year of no excuses" year. I fully expect him to rise to the occasion. If he doesn't, well, then we better have a fall back plan and TC showed that he is it.

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Gibbs was basically all over Todd Collins jock. I mean give it a break already. I don't have a problem with a QB competion. I think Collins has earned that right. But he's going to be 37 next year, he has a weak arm and no mobility. It's a nice story and he should be back next year, but as a back-up.

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I think it is the right move to leave the door open...and let me tell you why. Gibbs has learned his lesson with the way he has treated his beloved players......i.e Brunell, and in today NFL you can’t baby your players and give them everything for free. These guys are grown men and if they want something they need to work hard to get it. I see your point about boosting a young QB's head going into the off-season, but what about a little healthy competition??? If we are to improve hear in Redskins Nation we need to put EVERY player to the test, nothing is free and must be earned, in camp, in practice and on the field. The attitude most change! I think Gibbs is a great coach, but coaching today is much tougher then it was 15 years ago, because the players are much different and there is just so much more at stake in contracts, etc.

With all that said, Jason is our quarterback, and he will win the competition in camp with more size, speed and youthfulness. But, let’s make him work hard and earn it before we just give it away.

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Did you read in the wash post article where one unidentified nfl source said in reference to Gibbs' contract; "Joe is a negotiator."

I think that says it all, even though that's in reference to Gibbs' contract & not TC's. Gibbs is setting things up to negotiate w/Collins to re-sign. There are degrees to which a camp competition can be done too. Even if you name a starter that doesn't mean that if he plays horribly all preseason that he's going to be the starter come day 1. I think that's how Gibbs will deal w/JC, tell him it's his job to lose essentially.

I just hope the one quote from a vet player doesn't represent a majority of players' feelings about it. Still it's a long time between now & camp so there is plenty of opportunity for it to be worked out. Again, I have faith in Gibbs to do so.

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I hate reading about all this crap saying if they were Jason's agent, they'd request a trade.

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[quote=SmootSmack;404058]It's sort of discussed in the Gibbs Presser thread. I don't think this is a big deal really. I think

1. He just wants to show TC some love because he's a free agent and he wants to stay
2. Everyone inside the organization has told Campbell it's his team but Gibbs has probably learned his lesson about any public proclamations since RamseyGate 2004
3. A little competition never hurt anyone anyway[/quote]

Pretty much my thoughts too.

I think mostly it has to do with trying to bring Collins back.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;404091][B]Wow - it's like offiss part deux. Wasn't this what we said about Ramsey a couple years ago[/B]?

Look. I like JC, I think JC is the future. With that said, the boy better be able to take a little competition. That's the way the NFL rolls - unless your name is Farve, Manning or Brady, someone is always trying to take your job. So put your big boy pants on JC and show'em why your the number 1 guy in town.

JC has progressed and if he continues to do so, no worries - ain't no way TC takes the job from an improved Campbell. BUT, if he pulls a Ramsey and just doesn't get any better, then TC steps in until the next "QB of the future" rolls into town.

Campbell has shown some great flashes (just like Ramsey did). He has also thrown some big interceptions (just like Ramsey did). Next year is Campbell's "year of no excuses" year. I fully expect him to rise to the occasion. If he doesn't, well, then we better have a fall back plan and TC showed that he is it.[/quote]

LOL yeah seriously.

If this "damages" JC in any way he needs to find a new career.

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No competition. JC is the starter, TC is the backup, end of story. You don't put the hopes of continuing success on the back of a 37 year old journeyman QB who couldn't move paper across a desk just because he caught fire for a few games.

But with the new situation, if Saunders goes, so does Collins.

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There's no competition, put JC in. damn. I trust this guy, and I thought most of us did.

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If saunders remains the OC or even the HC-Collins will be the starter for next year and then Campbell becomes the starter. This will not hurt in his progress, but it should make him better. If Collins was the starter last season Campbell would not have even been on the field yet. Campbell needs a complete season of watching Collins work this offense from the sidelines since he did not have that opportunity with Brunell stinking up the place. Trust Saunders he will know what to do. Look at the situation brewing in Arizona with Leinart and Warner. Sometimes the young guy needs to sit back and learn like Romo did.

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I'm really worried about our starting QB now that Gibbs is gone. If our new HC is not part of the Redskins staff yet ( AL or GW) who knows what kinda crazy move he can do? I want JC to be the starter.

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;404058]It's sort of discussed in the Gibbs Presser thread. I don't think this is a big deal really. I think

1. He just wants to show TC some love because he's a free agent and he wants to stay
2. Everyone inside the organization has told Campbell it's his team but Gibbs has probably learned his lesson about any public proclamations since RamseyGate 2004
3. A little competition never hurt anyone anyway[/QUOTE]

Those are my thoughts as well.

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[QUOTE=Sean"Big Hurt"Taylor;404208]If saunders remains the OC or even the HC-Collins will be the starter for next year and then Campbell becomes the starter. This will not hurt in his progress, but it should make him better. If Collins was the starter last season Campbell would not have even been on the field yet. Campbell needs a complete season of watching Collins work this offense from the sidelines since he did not have that opportunity with Brunell stinking up the place. Trust Saunders he will know what to do. Look at the situation brewing in Arizona with Leinart and Warner. Sometimes the young guy needs to sit back and learn like Romo did.[/QUOTE]
Collins had a great 4 game run, but let's not go overboard, Todd Collins is no Kurt Warner.. He was a backup for 10 years a reason.. His arm strength is marginal & his mobility is negligible.

You play your franchise QB and let him lead you to where you want to go. Next year is Campbell's 4th year in the NFL with 20 starts under his belt. He doesn't need to 'sit back and watch' anyone.

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Todd Collin's performance at the end of the year was like a Cinderella story. Collins is a career backup and has never proven to be a starter. He comes in and does a great job for four games, basically what he is paid to do, and now he is supposed to be the starter. Not. Seattle exposed his obvious weak arm and lack of mobility. Cinderella's carriage turned into a pumpkin. It would be foolish to promote him to starter.

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I care about the success of the team. The better man should start. Truthfully if TC was the starter we would have won alot more games.

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[QUOTE=hail_2_da_skins;404321]Todd Collin's performance at the end of the year was like a Cinderella story. Collins is a career backup and has never proven to be a starter. He comes in and does a great job for four games, basically what he is paid to do, and now he is supposed to be the starter. Not. Seattle exposed his obvious weak arm and lack of mobility. Cinderella's carriage turned into a pumpkin. It would be foolish to promote him to starter.[/QUOTE]

The O line didnt help TC at all. If JC was still playing we would have been 6-10.

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With Gibbs leaving, if Saunders isn't retained, I would fully expect Collins to go where Al goes.

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Campbell should probably be a little concerned right now. Yesterday's comments notwithstanding, Gibbs was JC's biggest advocate. Who's on his side now. I don't think he's going anywhere, but it's put up or shut up time now.

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If Campbell isn't the starter next year I'm gonna blow a damn gasket. Am I wrong in saying that the Skins have had more starting QB's in the last 10 yrs. than any other team? Hell with that dumbass Spurrier we had two starters. Kinda,sorta.

Collins played great,but for God sakes we have to stick with one guy and actually commit to him.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;404091]Wow - it's like offiss part deux. Wasn't this what we said about Ramsey a couple years ago?

Look. I like JC, I think JC is the future. With that said, the boy better be able to take a little competition. That's the way the NFL rolls - unless your name is Farve, Manning or Brady, someone is always trying to take your job. So put your big boy pants on JC and show'em why your the number 1 guy in town.

JC has progressed and if he continues to do so, no worries - ain't no way TC takes the job from an improved Campbell. BUT, if he pulls a Ramsey and just doesn't get any better, then TC steps in until the next "QB of the future" rolls into town.

Campbell has shown some great flashes (just like Ramsey did). He has also thrown some big interceptions (just like Ramsey did). Next year is Campbell's "year of no excuses" year. I fully expect him to rise to the occasion. If he doesn't, well, then we better have a fall back plan and TC showed that he is it.[/quote]

I'm def. not Offiss part deux. And I never would've said anything like that about Ramsey a couple years ago. I watched Ramsey under Spurrier, and I knew I wasn't gonna be shocked if he never turned out to be a good quarterback. JC is young, he's coming off an injury, and even when he was playing he wasn't playing that great. He witnessed his backup play superbly, so good that even though the dude is 36 and probably gonna be retiring sooner rather than later, people were still saying that he should be the starter next season.

Witnessing your backup do what you can't would probably make him a little concerned about his job security, and then not having your coach come out and say that you'll be the starter next season probably concerned him even more. I hate the "If I was Jason's agent I'd ask for a trade" just as much as the next person, but please, it's not that hard to give the guy you've invested so much in a little vote of confidence heading into the offseason. I'm not saying we need to pamper and baby Jason Campbell until he becomes a big boy, I'm saying is it worth creating unnecessary controversy because you don't want to endorse the guy you're supposed to be depending on in the long term.

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I don't have any problem whatsoever with some honest competition, but no honest competition can exist between now and September.

How can it? There are no games.

If Campbell is to be considered the frontrunner, how can Collins over take the front runner without ever proving anything in a game situation? Some coach would have to make a mistake and overvalue practice and preseason play.

Truth is that we already know just as much about Campbell and about Collins as we will in week one of next season. Sure you can "have a competition." You just can't have a winner.