D.C. Mayor Want's Team Back In D.C.
 

Today Washington D.C. Mayor Andrian Fenty announced that he has submitted a written proposal to get the Redskins back in D.C.

He wants the team to play in a re-built RFK stadium.

The article will probably appear in tomorrow's Washington Post.

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Mods, can you fix the title....I'm smoking the same shit as D.Rave.

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too...much...Redskins news...going to........EXPLODE!!!

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Better be lucky you don't live here. Every five minutes they're talking about Fassel this and that.

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Can the re-built RFK be built to the same specs as Qwest Field? I'd like to see the team back in the District, though I must say that I worry when cities like D.C., with so many pressing needs, subsidize billionaire owners with lavish stadium/infrastructure deals. I'm very skeptical that such moves ever work out in the favor of anyone other than the owners (and maybe the politicians who get good publicity from it). But I'm no economist ... If Jim Schwartz were the coach he'd know the answer.

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Wow, this would be great if it were to happen.

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[quote=SC Skins Fan;412275]Can the re-built RFK be built to the same specs as Qwest Field? I'd like to see the team back in the District, though I must say that I worry when cities like D.C., with so many pressing needs, subsidize billionaire owners with lavish stadium/infrastructure deals. I'm very skeptical that such moves ever work out in the favor of anyone other than the owners (and maybe the politicians who get good publicity from it). But I'm no economist ... If Jim Schwartz were the coach he'd know the answer.[/quote]
Well when you have 65,000 people coming to your city to spend money it should be good for everyone. Times that by 10 (yes thats 2 playoff games at home "Go Fassell" had to say that) thats 650,000 people spending on transportation, rooms , food, beer, etc... It might not pay off right away with the extra tax money coming in but it will in time and become an assest not a liability.

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[quote=12thMan;412268]Today Washington D.C. Mayor Andrian Fenty announced that he has submitted a written proposal to get the Redskins back in D.C.

He wants the team to play in a re-built RFK stadium.

The article will probably appear in tomorrow's Washington Post.[/quote]

12th Man - I would think it would be more cost efficient to build a completely new stadium right next to RFK from the ground up considering Synder is going to want the biggest attendence stadium in the NFL and the Cowboys will be at 100,000 when their new stadium is completed - there is no way you could make RFK that big, so wouldn't they just build an entire new stadium with a portable roof so they could have the largest attendence and also have the ability to host a Super Bowl too?

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If you're familiar with the D.C. area, they want to either put the stadium near Florida Avenue area or rebuild the old one.

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[quote=firstdown;412282]Well when you have 65,000 people coming to your city to spend money it should be good for everyone. Times that by 10 (yes thats 2 playoff games at home "Go Fassell" had to say that) thats 650,000 people spending on transportation, rooms , food, beer, etc... It might not pay off right away with the extra tax money coming in but it will in time and become an assest not a liability.[/quote]

I realize that is the argument, I just don't know that I buy it. I'd like to see some kind of study of other stadium deals costs/revenues in other cities.

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[quote=12thMan;412268]Today Washington D.C. Mayor Andrian Fenty announced that he has submitted a written proposal to get the Redskins back in D.C.

He wants the team to play in a re-built RFK stadium.

The article will probably appear in tomorrow's Washington Post.[/quote]

GOOD!!!

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[quote=Bill B;412283]12th Man - I would think it would be more cost efficient to build a completely new stadium right next to RFK from the ground up considering Synder is going to want the biggest attendence stadium in the NFL and the Cowboys will be at 100,000 when their new stadium is completed - there is no way you could make RFK that big, so wouldn't they just build an entire new stadium with a portable roof so they could have the largest attendence and also have the ability to host a Super Bowl too?[/quote]

It's possible that's what they have in mind, Bill. Don't know. But they are very serious about revitalizing the inner city here, so it's going to be a very hard deal for Snyder to turn down.

I believe they were talking about 2010-2012? Don't quote me on that one.

By the way, this isn't a rumor:)

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Next stadium needs 130,000 seats, retractable roof that is closed only when hosting the Super Bowl, to be located on the Mall.


Oh and quicker shuttle transportation to and from surrounding parking lots, especially after losses.

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[quote=12thMan;412288]It's possible that's what they have in mind, Bill. Don't know. But they are very serious about revitalizing the inner city here, so it's going to be a very hard deal for Snyder to turn down.

I believe they were talking about 2010-2012? Don't quote me on that one.

By the way, this isn't a rumor:)[/quote]

Cool - I am all for the stadium moving back to DC - I went to the NFC championship game against Detriot and remember how easy it was to hop on the metro and get to the game without fighting traffic like we all do going to FedEx Field. Lets hope this happens sooner than later!

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[quote=SC Skins Fan;412286]I realize that is the argument, I just don't know that I buy it. I'd like to see some kind of study of other stadium deals costs/revenues in other cities.[/quote]
It depends on the deal they put together but with a franchise like the Skins or anyother big team it is win win situation.

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[quote=SC Skins Fan;412286]I realize that is the argument, I just don't know that I buy it. I'd like to see some kind of study of other stadium deals costs/revenues in other cities.[/quote]

There's some literature out there on the subject & opinions vary, but I recall reading more often than not that economists don't think pro sports are a good investment for a locality in terms of return.

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i,m all for anything RFK.thats if it all goes down.

wait and see ,man my head hurts with all this going on right now,man.

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[QUOTE=12thMan;412285]If you're familiar with the D.C. area, they want to either put the stadium [B]near Florida Avenue area [/B]or rebuild the old one.[/QUOTE]

Would that be Florida Ave NW? By Gaulledet(sp) University?

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see Seattle for an interesting case study on a locality & its stadium.
Voters voted down the referendum to fund the building of Quest as I recall.

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[quote=Redskins_P;412303]Would that be Florida Ave NW? By Gaulledet(sp) University?[/quote]

yep, that's the area. it more or less starts near Gaulledette.

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[quote=freddyg12;412300]There's some literature out there on the subject & opinions vary, but I recall reading more often than not that economists don't think pro sports are a good investment for a locality in terms of return.[/quote]

I'm thinking that's the general opinion as well. I love the Skins and all, but I worry when multi-million dollar businesses get fat subsidies from cash-strapped cities. More corporate welfare chasing the pipe dream of 'urban revitalization' when that money could be better allocated and have great effect in other ways. If Snyder wants a new stadium in the District let him foot the the cost. If not, let him stay in Landover. Of course that never happens and politicians get nailed to the wall when they oppose icons like the Redskins. Just saying.

If someone can point me to information to the contrary I'd be open to reading it.

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I can tell you this much, if it goes down....and that's a big if....you'll see a different type of fan in that stadium.

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[quote=12thMan;412309]I can tell you this much, if it goes down....and that's a big if....you'll see a different type of fan in that stadium.[/quote]

How do you figure? Proximity won't change the pricing structure.

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i'd give it a 12% chance of happening...

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[quote=SC Skins Fan;412310]How do you figure? Proximity won't change the pricing structure.[/quote]

You'll get that old RFK element in that stadium. And I'm sure it won't be as large as FedEx. I just think you'll see more of the old school fans more often rather than selling their tickets to Dallas fans.

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[quote=BrunellMVP?;412311]i'd give it a 12% chance of happening...[/quote]

Definitely a long shot. But at least it's officially out there now.

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[QUOTE=SC Skins Fan;412307]I'm thinking that's the general opinion as well. I love the Skins and all, but I worry when multi-million dollar businesses get fat subsidies from cash-strapped cities. More corporate welfare chasing the pipe dream of 'urban revitalization' when that money could be better allocated and have great effect in other ways. If Snyder wants a new stadium in the District let him foot the the cost. If not, let him stay in Landover. Of course that never happens and politicians get nailed to the wall when they oppose icons like the Redskins. Just saying.

If someone can point me to information to the contrary I'd be open to reading it.[/QUOTE]

Very true. This isn't a team with an old decrepit stadium. It is also one of the top grossing franchises in the world. No need for taxpayer subsidies here. Maybe DS will pay for it out of the goodness of his heart.

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[quote=12thMan;412313]You'll get that old RFK element in that stadium. And I'm sure it won't be as large as FedEx. I just think you'll see more of the old school fans more often rather than selling their tickets to Dallas fans.[/quote]

I don't see the logic. To think Snyder would move to a smaller venue, change the pricing structure, or otherwise change the influence of corporations and their employees within the stadium seems like a pipe dream. I also found a short little article on stadiums. If anyone is interested in reading the academic papers cited I can probably pull them up on JSTOR and send you a .PDF. The most important point made, I think, is when he says that the greatest impact a team has on a city is through branding, and creating the image of a 'world class city'. I think Washington, D.C. is already pretty well regarded as being a pretty important place, plus they already have the [B]Washington[/B] Redskins brand, even if they are located across the river in Maryland.

[url=http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=975]Baseball Prospectus | Articles | The Imbalance Sheet: The New Stadium Fallacy[/url]

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[quote=SC Skins Fan;412320]I don't see the logic. To think Snyder would move to a smaller venue, change the pricing structure, or otherwise change the influence of corporations and their employees within the stadium seems like a pipe dream. I also found a short little article on stadiums. If anyone is interested in reading the academic papers cited I can probably pull them up on JSTOR and send you a .PDF. The most important point made, I think, is when he says that the greatest impact a team has on a city is through branding, and creating the image of a 'world class city'. I think Washington, D.C. is already pretty well regarded as being a pretty important place, plus they already have the [B]Washington[/B] Redskins brand, even if they are located across the river in Maryland.

[URL="http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=975"]Baseball Prospectus | Articles | The Imbalance Sheet: The New Stadium Fallacy[/URL][/quote]


Listen, this is a long shot. No question about it. Also keep in mind Dan Snyder isn't the one that submitted the proposal, Mayor Fenty did. I'm not sure what are the details of the Mayor's proposal, but I'm quite certain it's loaded with incentives to keep Mr. Snyder happy.

I don't know if you've ever been to a Redskins game while they team played at RFK, but it was magical. I think Fenty is banking on (no pun intended) that Snyder is willing to capture some of that in exchange for a few dollars.

They're running the story again.

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Why do all redskins fans have to live in the past? We had some good years but come on, rebuid a rfk, hire joe gibbs again? Lets move forward. The new stadium can be used and improved upon for quite some time. Besides, Lil Dan would just screw up building a new one.

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So here's what they just said.

The city want's to lease RFK to the team for a low cost while they build a 100,000 seat dome stadium that can host the Super Bowl.

In the past, team ownership's response to whether or not they're interested in moving the team back to D.C., has been they've never been approached by D.C. leadership.

Looks like D.C. has some finance guru doing the cost-benefit analysis of moving the team back into the city to deteremine if it's economically viable.

So I guess we'll see what happens.

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[quote=12thMan;412330]
Looks like D.C. has some finance guru doing the cost-benefit analysis of moving the team back into the city to deteremine if it's economically viable.
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Hmmm ... I wonder what they'll say? A city-sponsored study to see if building a stadium for a multi-million dollar business at the cities expense is economically viable ... I bet it will be like that Baltimore study cited in that interview I posted earlier.

12th, don't take my concerns personally, definitely not attacking you, I just don't like the concept of stadium subsidies. I do, however, like having something else to talk about besides the coaching search disaster.

P.S.

I did go to two games at RFK. Against the 49ers in 1994 and Oakland in 1995. It wasn't that magical in those days, let me tell you. Probably better than FedEx (though that Cowboys game in 2005 that I attended WAS, in your parlance, magical) but just putting a 100,000 seat stadium in the district won't work "magic", it will just cost taxpayers a lot of money.

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I couldnt post a link but
San Diego team owner is trying to build a new stadium at no cost to the city. But opinions differ as to city benefits. A U of MD economics professor Dennis Coates studies this subject. Lets get him to join the Warpath and enlighten us. A new stadium in DC would be great for the city if nightlife develops around it ala the Phone Booth.

PG county gets 10% of ticket prices - $ 200 times 92,000 times 10 times 10% equals 18 million plus. DC could use this.

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oh yea cuz that money has done wonders for PG county...

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[quote=SC Skins Fan;412333]Hmmm ... I wonder what they'll say? A city-sponsored study to see if building a stadium for a multi-million dollar business at the cities expense is economically viable ... I bet it will be like that Baltimore study cited in that interview I posted earlier.

12th, don't take my concerns personally, definitely not attacking you, I just don't like the concept of stadium subsidies. I do, however, like having something else to talk about besides the coaching search disaster.

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I did go to two games at RFK. Against the 49ers in 1994 and Oakland in 1995. It wasn't that magical in those days, let me tell you. Probably better than FedEx (though that Cowboys game in 2005 that I attended WAS, in your parlance, magical) but just putting a 100,000 seat stadium in the district won't work "magic", it will just cost taxpayers a lot of money.[/quote]

I didn't take it personally at all. I do get passionate, however, when the city of Washington D.C. is discussed because it is my proud home. I've seen some good changes over the years and some not so good changes.

But I'm with you on stadium subsidies. D.C. has the worst public school system in the nation (ranked #51), it suffers from many social ills, and the city can't secure federal funding to save it's life. I really see a huge stadium being erected as yet another step to further gentrify that pocket of the city.

The D.C. native in me doesn't want it to happen, but the Redskin in me welcomes it with open arms.

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[quote=SC Skins Fan;412333]Hmmm ... I wonder what they'll say? A city-sponsored study to see if building a stadium for a multi-million dollar business at the cities expense is economically viable ... I bet it will be like that Baltimore study cited in that interview I posted earlier.

12th, don't take my concerns personally, definitely not attacking you, I just don't like the concept of stadium subsidies. I do, however, like having something else to talk about besides the coaching search disaster.

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I did go to two games at RFK. Against the 49ers in 1994 and Oakland in 1995. It wasn't that magical in those days, let me tell you. Probably better than FedEx (though that Cowboys game in 2005 that I attended WAS, in your parlance, magical) but just putting a 100,000 seat stadium in the district won't work "magic", it will just cost taxpayers a lot of money.[/quote]

By the way, I was in Columbia last weekend. I'm headed back down there tomorrow.

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I have been saying this for three years but this is going to happen eventually. Fed Ex is such a landhog that it would be possible to sell the site for development and not even really lose much money. Moreover, the fact that the Cowboys are moving into a new stadium just compounds things, for reasons that don't need to be enumerated.

I don't buy the old RFK contingent returning but I still think this will be a good thing for the city and the team.

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[quote=djnemo65;412343]I have been saying this for three years but this is going to happen eventually. Fed Ex is such a landhog that it would be possible to sell the site for development and not even really lose much money. Moreover, the fact that the Cowboys are moving into a new stadium just compounds things, for reasons that don't need to be enumerated.

I don't buy the old RFK contingent returning but I still think this will be a good thing for the city and the team.[/quote]

While I think it's a long shot, it's not impossible. I think that's what they have in mind - tear down Fed Ex, sell it for developement and make everyone happy.

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[QUOTE=12thMan;412341]I didn't take it personally at all. I do get passionate, however, when the city of Washington D.C. is discussed because it is my proud home. I've seen some good changes over the years and some not so good changes.

[B]But I'm with you on stadium subsidies. D.C. has the worst public school system in the nation (ranked #51), it suffers from many social ills, and the city can't secure federal funding to save it's life. I really see a huge stadium being erected as yet another step to further gentrify that pocket of the city.[/B]

The D.C. native in me doesn't want it to happen, but the Redskin in me welcomes it with open arms.[/QUOTE]

12th Man, I hear you. It's a good point. I don't know, though, whether putting the team back in the RFK area would gentrify the neighborhood as much as the new Nats stadium will the South Capitol St. area. Maybe I'm not seeing what a developer would, but I don't see much more than a stadium being (re)built there--you've got 295 one side, and then the houses along east capitol st. on the other. To north and south you just have the parking lots, which you'll still need, especially if there will be more seats in a hypothetical new stadium than the current RFK (it is still standing, after all). The north end parking lots stretch almost all the way to NY ave. (don't they?), so it's not like they'd have land to build on. No?

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it can not happen,who would buy Fed Ex field???Plus the deal with PG county would cost to much to get out of.The reason the Redskins are worth so much is mostly real estate value.DC will not sell RFK and won't give up all the stadium rights .........so no untill the deal is thru in PG and you have 12 more years on it and you tear down RFK becuase it can not be "re built" who builds the new stadium and how much do you think that will run the ticket holders?