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MTK 08-12-2004 11:57 AM

Taylor still not first team
 
He had 2 more picks in practice yesterday but he's still not working with the first team. Damn this staff is making him earn his keep! He'll be there soon enough though.

RedskinRat 08-12-2004 12:06 PM

That's a great sign, make him really feel like he's earned it. I much prefer the Gibbs way.

illdefined 08-12-2004 12:16 PM

hell yeah. there are 4 more preseason games left. Gibbs is making everyone earn their position (or at least feel like they're earning it). imagine if Hasselbeck had 4 more games like the last one? think Gibbs wouldn't make him the starter?? of course he would! he won a superbowl with Mark Rypien for chrissakes, Gibbs doesnt speak contract, big name, or draft round, he speaks RESULTS.

Hogskin 08-12-2004 12:36 PM

[QUOTE=RedskinRat]That's a great sign, make him really feel like he's earned it. I much prefer the Gibbs way.[/QUOTE]

I agree. This is vintage Gibbs with rookies. He will be installed as the starter soon enough to have time to develop cohesion with the rest of the D. It sure looks like once he DOES get moved into the starting role, he will be impossible to ever move out!!

As far as TH, I really think Gibbs will wait until the after the 4th preseason game to make his final decision. I don't think the rustiness on the two frontrunners has dropped them yet, but I believe TH has played and practiced himself from a certain #3 slot into possible contention for a #1 or #2 position. (He still has a way to go to prove himself, but now will get that opportunity.) Regardless, I expect all 4 QB's to stay with the team, with Hamden on the PS.

d151b 08-12-2004 01:16 PM

where can a person find more pics, footage, sound bites, etc. from practice..... before wednesday anyways. Redskins.com just doesn't quite get enough out to the public I don't think.

That Guy 08-12-2004 02:12 PM

get joe crisp paid so he can stay on longer ;) thats about it... he put up daily reports, every play by every QB in 9 on 9, and lots of audio for the week or so he was out at camp.

SKINSnCANES 08-12-2004 02:35 PM

yea joes reports were great.

and I hope hasselback keeps playing well, mabye brunell and ramsey need a little kick in the butt to get them into gear and play at a higher level.

d151b 08-12-2004 03:21 PM

cool, who's joe and how do i get his reports?

NM Redskin 08-12-2004 03:32 PM

d151d Check here,
[url]http://www.thewarpath.net/forumdisplay.php?f=8[/url]

dieselhog 08-12-2004 03:39 PM

Joe Crisp is a warpath legend.

I love the way ST is being made to earn the starting spot, he isn't exactly shy about his talent it just keeps it in perspective for him.

d151b 08-12-2004 03:40 PM

that's sweet, thanks! is that joe's job or does he do all of that on the side?

Dave Butz Baby! 08-12-2004 03:46 PM

Joe C is a godsend. It's all volunteer work.

And as an added bonus, he's a cool dude.

d151b 08-12-2004 03:48 PM

Wow, Joe is to be commended ! That's gotta be pretty awesome to get all those interviews and stuff.

Riggo44 08-12-2004 04:54 PM

I give it untill the Rams game! Taylor will be the stater by then! Gibbs is playing this just right. You want to keep your star rookies hungry!! Make them work for there spot! :httr:

jermus22 08-12-2004 04:56 PM

Joe Crisp is du man.

MonkManiac 08-12-2004 05:17 PM

[QUOTE=Riggo44]I give it untill the Rams game! Taylor will be the stater by then! Gibbs is playing this just right. You want to keep your star rookies hungry!! Make them work for there spot! :httr:[/QUOTE]

!!!!!!!!!!!

joecrisp 08-12-2004 05:46 PM

Wow! Thanks guys! I sure wasn't expecting to find such generous praises directed towards me when I clicked on this thread! I really appreciate it.

As for Taylor, I'd expect to see him getting some work with the first team by the Rams game as well.

It's funny, I tried talking to Andre Lott while I was at camp, just trying to get his take on being in the starting role over such a highly touted rookie. It was clear he really didn't want to talk about it, and my experience has been that when guys don't want to talk about how well they're doing, it means they don't have much confidence that their run of good fortune will last much longer. I got the sense that he felt like he was playing on borrowed time, which obviously, he is. He had spoken with much more confidence and assertiveness when asked about the situation earlier in the week, but it was clear when I asked him about it on Friday that he preferred to downplay the whole thing. Not coincidentally, by Friday, Taylor had begun to show signs of improvement in practice.

As Taylor grows more comfortable with his assignments and his role within the defense, his superior athleticism and football instincts will rise to the surface. I think he's using this whole snit with the media as a motivational tool, to prove that all the worries and concerns that have swirled around him for the past few months were unfounded. Of course, he also wants to prove that he's worth a heck of a lot more than his contract would indicate. He's going to be licking his chops all season, thinking about the reneg he can do with Rosenhaus next August. That should bode well for his performance this season, and pose a bit of a problem for opposing offenses as well.

Daseal 08-12-2004 06:29 PM

What did Andre Lott or Matt Bowen done to earn their starting spot? Taylor has earned first team mentions by now.

Everyone talks about fairness. I guarantee you no matter how good or bad Ramsey does in pre-season we go into Week 1 with Brunell.

SKINSnCANES 08-12-2004 07:06 PM

The difference between Winslows and Taylors contract is just quarenteed money. If Taylor makes his incentives its the same, and huge. 9 million a year would easily make him the highest paid safety in the league. Does he really think we're going to redo his huge contract after one year. Theres no way we'd pay him a big signing bonus two years ina row, it woudl totally screw up our cap.

That Guy 08-12-2004 08:05 PM

lott has played well in the preseason, bowen has gotten a pick or two in camp as well... taylor hasn't been so great until last week, but i'm sure he'll get where he wants to be.

saden1 08-12-2004 08:10 PM

I have to say, I was really impressed with Taylor. He looks very big on the field too. He practically knew what play was coming on that QB rollout. It was “gimme that shit” type of pick.

p.s. Dude can dance too. Hope to see more of his dancing in the end zone.

aehs77 08-13-2004 03:04 PM

maybe gibbs wants to keep teams guessing until the season starts.

ChounsMan 08-13-2004 03:55 PM

Coach Gibbs & his staff are all about the old school method. Taylor is going to have to prove himself before he's given the recognition.

Remember back when rookies earned playing time & most never started until yr 2 & 3. These days they start right off the bat & expect so much when they are not even given half back.

Remember when guys would play 7 - 8+ years in the league, but only start 3 or 4 of them. Some guys hung around in the NFL for 10+ yrs. Now owners want youth & that's it. They load up a contract for $40+ mil & back end the shit out of it for 7+ years knowing they will unload the player in 2 - 3 years. So guys want to make sure they front end the shit out of their contracts so they don't get screwed.

All in all the NFL has changed since coach Gibbs was here. For the worst unfortunately :smashfrea

Defensewins 08-13-2004 05:44 PM

[QUOTE=That Guy]lott has played well in the preseason, bowen has gotten a pick or two in camp as well... taylor hasn't been so great until last week, but i'm sure he'll get where he wants to be.[/QUOTE]

I taped the Broncos game, and watched the first quater and half over again, just to watch the starters. Man, Matt Bowen had a bad game, he did not look very good. He was very tentative and was always a step behind the play. In the first semi-long run Quentin Griffin broke off the right side of his line, LB Washington blitzed an inside gap and it was clear Bowen was responsible for outside containment (to cover LB Washington's end of the line). He failed miserably and RB Griffen got a good gain. There were several other plays Bowen was very slow to react. If Bowen continues his inconsistent play, it might be him instead of Lott that loses his job.

Daseal 08-13-2004 05:44 PM

It's called Free Agency, chounsman. It means you don't have to develop your players. You let other teams develop young stars for you, and you buy them (a la Redskins.)

The most talented player should play. The best way to learn is by doing. Rookies will make stupid mistakes, but so will a 10 year vet who's never started. You need to be on the field in game-time situations to learn.

That Guy 08-13-2004 06:17 PM

Defensewins, I totally agree, bowen is a monster in practice, but he forgets to bring his game to the show... I'd have no problem with taylor/lott if that's how it breaks down.

SKINSnCANES 08-14-2004 03:39 AM

that would be weird if Lott and taylor started at safety for us this year, who would have even considered that possability at the end of last year. Yea Taylor, mabye, but lott?!? If hes the best player though then he should be on the field. Bowen should play special teams the way he hits.

OH OH OH, Joe, I hope that you can anwser this. Has sean taylor been practicing on special teams for punts and field goals. Hes not just a ball hawk when its thrown, hes great at blocking kicks to. i hope the Gibbs is utilizing him there.

Daseal 08-14-2004 10:35 AM

I have NEVER seen Bowen hit the other team hard. He'll level a Redskin but can't translate that into game-time destruction.

MonkManiac 08-14-2004 11:23 AM

[QUOTE=Daseal]I have NEVER seen Bowen hit the other team hard. He'll level a Redskin but can't translate that into game-time destruction.[/QUOTE]

Very true, that has always bothered me about him. I have been more underwhelmed by Bowen than by any other player on the defense so far this year. Sure, we have plenty more preseason to look forward to, but this guy needs to really step it up if he thinks he's going to keep his starting spot. Those runs in the Denver game were his responsibility, and with Gregg Williams' blitz-happy defense, we absolutely need disciplined safeties who can contain a running back when a team uses draw plays like that against our 2 LB blitz packages.

JudgeJebus 08-14-2004 03:50 PM

[QUOTE=SKINSnCANES]that would be weird if Lott and taylor started at safety for us this year[/QUOTE]

I've been thinking about this too, given how all the reports say that Lott and (now) Taylor are impressive, and Bowen ond Ohalete are not. But could someone who knows more about this tell us if this is even possible? Would one of them be able to play SS?


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