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Alright one last coaching poll. I'm calling this a 2 man race now. The way Snyder talked about Meeks yesterday I think he's out. Mooch has been rumored to be out, and then back in, so I'm saying he's probably not a top candidate right now. I think it's down to Fassel or Spags... who's your choice?

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I just want to say I'm ok with either guy. But with the way the Giants finished up Spags is definitely the hot candidate right now.

If I had to bet, I'd put my money on Spagnuolo. I remember reading a few weeks ago that he's a great interview and would knock the socks off Snyder if he got the chance to sit down with him.

But at the same time I can totally see Fassel getting it... would Snyder leave Fassel out in the cold yet again?

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I to am ok with either candidate. I lean towards Spags, even though he is unproven as a HC. He's got that................Charles Manson look in his eyes! You GOTTA' respect that

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What the hell. Lets go with the flavor of the month. Maybe we catch lightning in a bottle and Spags is the next big thing and our coach for the next decade.

Just for the record: I am okay with Fassel too.

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Neither, I want Mooch.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;418143]What the hell. Lets go with the flavor of the month. Maybe we catch lightning in a bottle and Spags is the next big thing and our coach for the next decade.

Just for the record: I am okay with Fassel too.[/quote]

I'm on the same page with you Joe. The possibility of bottling lighting makes Spags the more attractive coach. Ultimately the goal is to win a Super Bowl, and with our FO's questionable personnel tactics, a great coach might be the only hope we have. Fassell would be decent, and possibly even a better coach than Spags, but I think we've seen enough from Fassel to know that he is not an elite coach in this league; a good coach? Yes. A proven coach? Yes. But an elite coach? No. We need to try for an elite coach, and if it doesn't work out with Spagnuolo, we'll just have to try again with someone else.

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We have a good OC now, I'm unsure about the DC, so let's hire a defensive-minded HC. :)

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[quote=Buster;418157]We have a good OC now, I'm unsure about the DC, so let's hire a defensive-minded HC. :)[/quote]

Are you sure you don't have that backwards?

Blache has been a DC before in this league while Zorn is a first time OC. But you doubt Blache?

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Spagnuolo has the potential to be a great coach, he also has the potential to be a total failure. I can think of far worse choices than him, but I can also think of one person who is probably a better fit for this team...Jim Fassel.

The way the team has been structured with Blache and Zorn leading the defense and offense, respectively, it just strikes me as making more sense to have a veteran head coach with offensive experience overseeing everything in a CEO type role with more emphasis on assisting Zorn (but then I think of what the Cowboys did with Garrett, and maybe Zorn doesn't need a helping hand.)

Still, I see what a "retread" like Tom Coughlin did this year, which was essentially just stay out of the way of his top coordinators and just intercede when needed and I don't see why Fassel can't do the same.

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[quote=Mattyk72;418159]Are you sure you don't have that backwards?

Blache has been a DC before in this league while Zorn is a first time OC. But you doubt Blache?[/quote]

I don't know a lot about him, but Zorn did a good job with Hasselbeck.

Maybe we can finally beat the Hawks in the playoffs.

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I am not completely opposed to Fassel like a lot of you are, he HAS been to a Super Bowl.

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Spagnuolo (just call me a bandwagon waffler) and let's hope he can be our Jeff Fischer (coach for the long-term, sustained success even when presented with less than ideal conditions). I was thinking about this a bit and my initial reflex (after the OMG the Giants just whooped the Pats let's get that guy) was that Spagnuolo represented a typical Snyder hire; flashy pick, big splash type deal. But actually either leading candidate would seem a departure from Marty, Steve, and Joe. Neither really has the resume of any of those guys, probably wouldn't need to back the Brinks truck up for them (maybe for Spagnuolo much more so than Fassell). Plus it would just be a coup to take Spagnuolo away from the Giants after their big triumph. Like either more than Mariucchi, though I am in the decided minority there, Spagnuolo would certainly be more exciting (though I keep reminding myself that offseason excitement has yet to translate into on-field performance for this team).

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[quote=Buster;418165]I am not completely opposed to Fassel like a lot of you are, he HAS been to a Super Bowl.[/quote]

I actually get the sense that the tone has softened considerably towards Fassell on this site. Even though he is getting less votes, you'll note that almost everyone prefaces their comments with "but I'd be ok with either" and, of course, SmootSmack makes a strong case for Fassell. Cooler heads have prevailed, it seems, and though I am sure some vitriol remains, I think most every thoughtful Redskins fan (so that is excluding the yahoos you see interviewed on the street by local news - I'm assuming here since I can't actually watch local D.C. stations) will be ok with either choice. If it was Snyder's intention (or at least part of it) to allow things to cool down before hiring Fassell then he seems to have succeeded and my hats off to him for that.

Rationally, Fassell is probably the smarter choice (basically his staff in place, prior coaching experience, not the 'sexy' pick). Emotionally Spagnuolo clearly has the edge. Let's see how this thing plays out in the long run. Arguments to be made on either side I think.

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[quote=SmootSmack;418161]Spagnuolo has the potential to be a great coach, he also has the potential to be a total failure. I can think of far worse choices than him, but I can also think of one person who is probably a better fit for this team...Jim Fassel.

The way the team has been structured with Blache and Zorn leading the defense and offense, respectively, it just strikes me as making more sense to have a veteran head coach with offensive experience overseeing everything in a CEO type role with more emphasis on assisting Zorn (but then I think of what the Cowboys did with Garrett, and maybe Zorn doesn't need a helping hand.)

Still, I see what a "retread" like Tom Coughlin did this year, which was essentially just stay out of the way of his top coordinators and just intercede when needed and I don't see why Fassel can't do the same.[/quote]

Tough to argue against this & that may in fact be what DS is going through; he's hired the coordinators & put the structure in place for Fassel, assuming that the report about a deal being in place 2 weeks ago is true.

Yet on the other hand he may really want to hire the fresher choice in Spags even if it means risking some friction between the staff, most notably w/Spags & Blache.

Regardless, it's still good that DS is interviewing Spags, a former iggles & g men coach. Can't blame him for taking the time to pick his brain for info.

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I want Spags! No questions asked. I think Snyder wants to get a coach that is gonna be here for many years to come. That is why its taking so long. We don't need another coach that isn't a long term answer.

Question: Does anybody really believe Fassel is the longterm answer or is he a stopgap coach until the "sexy' hire becomes available? If you want Fassel, are you prepared to be looking for a coach again in a coupe of years? Spaggs might not be the longterm answer either but I would think the odds of him sticking around would be alot better.
I don't know if Spags is the longterm answer, but I think Snyder does.

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[quote=SmootSmack;418161]Spagnuolo has the potential to be a great coach, he also has the potential to be a total failure. I can think of far worse choices than him, but I can also think of one person who is probably a better fit for this team...Jim Fassel.

The way the team has been structured with Blache and Zorn leading the defense and offense, respectively, it just strikes me as making more sense to have a veteran head coach with offensive experience overseeing everything in a CEO type role with more emphasis on assisting Zorn (but then I think of what the Cowboys did with Garrett, and maybe Zorn doesn't need a helping hand.)

Still, I see what a "retread" like Tom Coughlin did this year, which was essentially just stay out of the way of his top coordinators and just intercede when needed and I don't see why Fassel can't do the same.[/quote]

Nothing to argue with here. I think Fassel would definitely be the smart choice, or maybe I should say the safe choice. But Spagnoulo would bring the splash that Snyder is known for. Should be interesting to see how this plays out.

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;418161]Spagnuolo has the potential to be a great coach, he also has the potential to be a total failure. I can think of far worse choices than him, but I can also think of one person who is probably a better fit for this team...Jim Fassel.

The way the team has been structured with Blache and Zorn leading the defense and offense, respectively, it just strikes me as making more sense to have a veteran head coach with offensive experience overseeing everything in a CEO type role with more emphasis on assisting Zorn (but then I think of what the Cowboys did with Garrett, and maybe Zorn doesn't need a helping hand.)

Still, I see what a "retread" like Tom Coughlin did this year, which was essentially just stay out of the way of his top coordinators and just intercede when needed and I don't see why Fassel can't do the same.[/QUOTE]

Fassel may have had the super bowl appearence with NY whereas Coughlin did not get there in Jax but overall I thought Coughlin built a much better team in Jax then Fassel did in NY. Those Jags teams back then were tough. I thought Coughlin was a little better then to go in the retread category.

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fassell. i like the experience he has as a head coach. doesnt spagnulo just have one year as a coordinator? good coordinator, not sure if hes ready to lead a team to the playoffs yet as a head coach. also not sure if zorn is ready to run the whole offense yet, want a head coach with an offensive specialty

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[quote=celts32;418175]Fassel may have had the super bowl appearence with NY whereas Coughlin did not get there in Jax but overall I thought Coughlin built a much better team in Jax then Fassel did in NY. Those Jags teams back then were tough. I thought Coughlin was a little better then to go in the retread category.[/quote]

He's a retread in that he was fired once before, something that some people have held against Fassel.

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;418161]The way the team has been structured with Blache and Zorn leading the defense and offense, respectively, it just strikes me as making more sense to have a veteran head coach with offensive experience overseeing everything in a CEO type role with more emphasis on assisting Zorn.[/QUOTE]

this is a sound theory. but i could just as easily see spagnuolo getting insterted into a position to use his obvious leadership skills to guide an experienced staff.

he would bring some fresh ideas to the table but they have the experience that he lacks.

either way, i'll remain optimistic.

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I say start with a new fresh, hungry, HC to be and give him a chance to prove himself, instead of an old overhyped retread Fossil.

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[QUOTE=SFREDSKIN;418207]I say start with a new fresh, hungry, HC to be and give him a chance to prove himself, instead of an old overhyped retread Fossil.[/QUOTE]

And if he turns out to be the next Cam Cameron? What then?

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I would like a coach that will be here 10 years & be the face of the franchise,that's one of the reasons I like the idea of guys like Schwartz, Meeks & Spags. Whereas, a guy like Fassel or Mooch would be known as former coach of..& now w/Washington. that's not a big deal though, getting the best coach is.

does anybody think it's a little odd that Spags is all of a sudden a hot candidate, yet it took him so long to become a coordinator? Spags didn't get a coordinator position until he's 48! He was an intern here in 83. That's a long climb.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;418187]He's a retread in that he was fired once before, something that some people have held against Fassel.[/QUOTE]

Fired as a head coach from the VaGiants and as a coordinator from the Ravens. Hiring him makes me nervous.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;418212]And if he turns out to be the next Cam Cameron? What then?[/quote]

Option 1 - Call Cowher
Option 2 - Call Gibbs

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[quote=JoeRedskin;418212]And if he turns out to be the next Cam Cameron? What then?[/quote]

Cameron didn't get much of a chance IMO. That team needs more than a couple years to get going & he only got 1.

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[QUOTE=JoeRedskin;418212]And if he turns out to be the next Cam Cameron? What then?[/QUOTE]

I doubted and by the way Cam inherited a crappy team and should have been given another year.

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I think the situation actually fits Spagnuolo better. Forget the fact that we have already hired our OC and DC. There isn't very many, if any, veteran coaches who will come in and basically have little or no control. Of course besides Fassel or Mooch.

Spagnuolo will have everything put in place for him. I think it would be an easier transition for him by not having to worry about the coaching staff....and it appears that we have a really good coaching staff set in place for him. Not to mention that Gibbs has left the next coach with a good playoff team. It's not like Spags is having to come in and totally rebuild the team and the coaching staff from ground up. While it's possible that it might not fit with Spags and Blache running the D, I honestly don't believe that would be a big problem.

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I cant see Spags as a Head coach with zero experience in that role with an OC with zero experience in that role.
We'd be going from the most experienced coaching staff to one of the least....that would be nuts....but hell, based on the past, why not try anything.
I voted Fassell...though grudgingly

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[quote=Mattyk72;418187]He's a retread in that he was fired once before, something that some people have held against Fassel.[/quote]

We're Americans!
We are not very forgiving to failure, especially in the sports arena, regardless of who's fault it was

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Do I have to pick? At this point, I really don't care. Just hire a HC already.. for the love of god!

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I'm with Spags: long time assistant, first time head coach, in their 40's, unproven but hungry, with some success...

sounds like another guy that worked out well for us. :)

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Fassel = Ravens Offesnse = Never any good.

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I think it all comes down to expectations...
If we hire Fassel and don't get in the playoffs he may be gone in 2-3 years if that long...

If Spags is hired he will be given a longer tenure to prove what he can do as he will need to get use to being the man.

So do we want turnover again or a fresh start?

Give me Spags over Fassel! We may even start becoming competitive in the NFC East again!

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Spagnuolo would be my choice. I don't think it matters that much. As HC jobs go, the Redskins is not exactly the best situation right now- no say over personell and the entire staff already hired. Still, when they go 4-12 next year, somehow I suspect that Snyderatto will not be blaming themselves. It's hard for me to imagine why any thinking person would take this job except for the cash and I don't even think the person they hire will get Spurrier/Gibbs money.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;418187]He's a retread in that he was fired once before, something that some people have held against Fassel.[/QUOTE]

If that's the definition then I guess he is, I just always considered him to be a better coach then Fassel. JaX had a couple teams I thought were Super Bowl caliber and it just didn't work out for whatever reason...Mainly the Titans seemed to have their number. I never felt Fassel had a super bowl caliber team...I didn't even feel that way about his team that made it there.

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I guess I'm in the minority that would rather see a proven head coach with a track record who can help mold Zorn and Blache rather than the flavor of the month who's been a DC for all of a year and has no HC experience.

I wouldn't hold the Ravens offense against Fassel. Billick had his hands all over it, and took the fall when they were underachieving in '05. And it's not like that offense has gotten loads better.

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[quote=gibbsisgod;418172]I want Spags! No questions asked. I think Snyder wants to get a coach that is gonna be here for many years to come. That is why its taking so long. We don't need another coach that isn't a long term answer.

Question: Does anybody really believe Fassel is the longterm answer or is he a stopgap coach until the "sexy' hire becomes available? If you want Fassel, are you prepared to be looking for a coach again in a coupe of years? Spaggs might not be the longterm answer either but I would think the odds of him sticking around would be alot better.
I don't know if Spags is the longterm answer, but I think Snyder does.[/quote]
Well if Spags does not produce a winning team then he is not a long term answer. I perfer that we have younger OC and DC that want to become a head coach some day so when our coach steps down we have their replacement. People will say that we had that with GW but if its true that he did not have that 1 mil if not hired then that was not true. I think he was hired as Gibbs pick for DC and not for the future head coaching job.

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Spags coached the defense that stopped the most high-powered offense in NFL history - I'd say that looks pretty good on a resume.

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Fassell Sucks- Spags hands down