Bernard Berrian
 

I don't know why the Redskins aren't considering signing Bernard Berrian from Chicago, who is going to be an unrestricted free agent, instead of toying with the idea of signing Chad Johnson. Berrian is 6-1, 185 lbs, and had some good stats this past season: 71 Rec/951 Yds/5 TDs. Keep in mind that this guy had the Grossman/Griese/Orton trio of mediocre QBs throwing at him, and he still performed better than S.Moss (61 Rec/808 Yds/3 TDs) or even Randle El (51 Rec/728 Yds/1 TD).

Berrian would give the Skins the tall possession receiver they've been craving and they wouldn't have to give up any picks. I think that a WR tandem of Berrian, Moss, and Randle El, along with Chris Cooley, would give the Redskins a solid passing game. Plus we wouldn't deal with the baggage that Ocho Cinco brings, nor worrying about shelling out tons of $$$. I hope that now Gibbs is gone, DS doesn't go back to his old ways of giving up picks at the drop of a dime.

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Berrian is not a possession reciever by any means he is a speedster

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I'd sign him in a second. How durable is he?

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[quote=Soup's Uncle;422381]I'd sign him in a second. How durable is he?[/quote]


hes a good player but Is he just another Santana Moss?

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[QUOTE=EARTHQUAKE2689;422384]hes a good player but Is he just another Santana Moss?[/QUOTE]

yep that's all plus he does demand a extra attention like CJ or a possession WR.

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Berrian has had decent stats with mediocre QBs, I think he could do better with Jason Campbell. In regards to being a possession receiver, I'm not an expert on that, but Chad Johnson is 6-1 and 190ish lbs...and the Redskins are looking to get him. Granted that by no means I'm saying that Berrian is better than CJ, but he has the same physique, and could probably thrive with the Redskins and the WRs we have. I'm afraid that the Redskins are going to overpay and waste draft picks with CJ. I mean, New England only gave up a 4th round pick for a head case like Randy Moss, and had he failed, they only would have loss little. I think the Redskins, should they convince the Bengals, are going to pay a lot to get CJ, and it will be a catastrophe if he doesn't produce here in Washington.

Plus, come on, Berrian would be better than Jerry Porter (which was brought up in another thread) and would improve the WR corps.

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Another thing, I think it would be great to get CJ, but it just seems impossible and if it happens, I'm concerned that redskins are going to start handing out 1st and 2nd round picks. I mean, just think that last year, we were very close to having the Redskins give away their 1st round pick for Lance Briggs, we didn't and we got Landry. I get the feelings that Danny is going to overspend/overcompensate for CJ.

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Landry was a hit or miss like all college players are R. Bush hasn't lived up to the hype he got. Calvin Johnson to me is medicore in the NFL. It's a big difference from college to pro. They can be the heisman trophy and not starter or get picked until the 5th round (Troy Smith) but he was so good it college. CJ has proven to be a pro bowl cailber player every year not one not two every year and Benard Berrian has not.

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I wouldn't say "give away" The rumored deal would have been a swap of first round draft picks (and yes I understand they had the 31st overall) plus we get Lance Briggs. We're not just throwing away the pick

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[quote=SmootSmack;422398]I wouldn't say "give away" The rumored deal would have been a swap of first round draft picks (and yes I understand they had the 31st overall) plus we get Lance Briggs. We're not just throwing away the pick[/quote]


Yeah and we were getting a pro bowl caliber player if Landry hadnt panned out everyone would be pissed that we didnt pull the trigger (even though Briggs will be here in 2 weeks)

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But see, aren't people complaining how Snyder keeps giving up draft picks? I mean, I am glad the Briggs trade didn't work, and we got a great young player out of the draft. I'm telling you all, if the Bengals trade CJ, we're going to be giving up a lot, and ppl will be complaining about it. Oh well.

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[QUOTE=Ruhskins;422418]But see, aren't people complaining how Snyder keeps giving up draft picks? I mean, I am glad the Briggs trade didn't work, and we got a great young player out of the draft. I'm telling you all, if the Bengals trade CJ, we're going to be giving up a lot, and ppl will be complaining about it. Oh well.[/QUOTE]

Some people just complain to complain though. That's not going to change

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;422423]Some people just complain to complain though. That's not going to change[/QUOTE]

Good point.

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I like the idea of Berrian.

Seems to have the same physical specs of Johnson. I'd take him over Johnson.

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We will probubly still end up with Briggs. He wanted us like a passion and I belive the feeling was mutual. Now with McIntosh he may be back in time he may not. Yes he is healing but can he put a hit on someone and take one?

We definitly need to do something about our WR situation. I'm tired of picking up the WR and two weeks to two months we are letting them go. It's time to start getting and keeping good quality WR's. I would say find a way to give him DS standard norm of 30 mil. lol. and bring him on board to compliment Moss and maybe still go after CJ. Then we would have a couple of speed guys to set up a speed package forcing the defense to figure out who to cover, solid possession WR and two targets for the end zone in Cooley and CJ.

Then they can dump the older WR like McCardell, dump the non productive types like Lloyd, and Caldwell, I like Thrash...I was always a fan and happy to have him back but only to be used on SP for the most part? please, open up a roster spot for a more needed spot else where.

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Berrian is a player. I've watched him a ton on Sunday Ticket since I had him in fantasy for a couple of years. Disappointing stats for a fantasy guy, but he just makes plays. Bad QB play has done him in out in Chicago. Very very good player. I'd be willing to say he is very comparable to Chad Johnson and is younger, cheaper, and wouldn't cost any picks. I kind of had forgotten about the fact he was a FA. He'd be tremendous.

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I would take him over cj,cj is just another t.o. plus we'd be giving up too much to get him,but knowing snyder,sounds like he wants him and will do whatever it takes,hey dan,how'd jeff george work out for ya?

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I'd say it makes to much sense. Which is why Synder won't do it. Then again he favored making Jim Zorn the HC instead of big name, so who knows. Maybe this is the offseason where Snyder gives the "plain Jane" a chance as opposed to Mika, the platinum blonde with huge breast but zero personallity.

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Has anyone watched Berrian play? He takes off plays and drops easily catchable balls. He is fast and makes the highlight plays, but he is really more suited as a slot or #2 at most. I agree w/ SCSkinsfan that he is exciting, but we really need one consistent wr.
If the thinking around Redskins Park is that Moss is an electrifying #2 and ARE the #3, then adding another speedster isn't the answer. It will still leave us with only Cooley to go to on 3rd and 7.
Porter, same thing.
DJ Hackett (another likely FA) is another good #2.
For all of King's whining about you shouldn't get into the HOF running 8 yd curls, what I would give for a solid possession as a #1.

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[QUOTE=Ruhskins;422379]I don't know why the Redskins aren't considering signing Bernard Berrian from Chicago, who is going to be an unrestricted free agent, instead of toying with the idea of signing Chad Johnson. Berrian is 6-1, 185 lbs, and had some good stats this past season: 71 Rec/951 Yds/5 TDs. Keep in mind that this guy had the Grossman/Griese/Orton trio of mediocre QBs throwing at him, and he still performed better than S.Moss (61 Rec/808 Yds/3 TDs) or even Randle El (51 Rec/728 Yds/1 TD).

Berrian would give the Skins the tall possession receiver they've been craving and they wouldn't have to give up any picks. I think that a WR tandem of Berrian, Moss, and Randle El, along with Chris Cooley, would give the Redskins a solid passing game. Plus we wouldn't deal with the baggage that Ocho Cinco brings, nor worrying about shelling out tons of $$$. I hope that now Gibbs is gone, DS doesn't go back to his old ways of giving up picks at the drop of a dime.[/QUOTE]

You make a great point and I see this working into our scheme better then all other options, taking everything into consideration. I mean lets face it; this guy has had 3 solid years of growth with absolutely NO QB to speak of. He is big and can turn on the jets to blow past DB's. I really have enjoyed watching him over the past two years and think he would make a great fit in DC.

We wouldn’t have to give up anything to get him and could utilize our draft picks to focus on both O & D Line! Let's make it happen, best deal by a mile!

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[QUOTE=Cooley1;422481]You make a great point and I see this working into our scheme better then all other options, taking everything into consideration. I mean lets face it; this guy has had 3 solid years of growth with absolutely NO QB to speak of. He is big and can turn on the jets to blow past DB's. I really have enjoyed watching him over the past two years and think he would make a great fit in DC.

We wouldn’t have to give up anything to get him and could utilize our draft picks to focus on both O & D Line! Let's make it happen, best deal by a mile![/QUOTE]

Great points Cooley1, Berrian could thrive with a much better QB, and two other very good receivers in Moss and Randle El. Plus the important thing is that we wouldn't spend draft picks. No one is comparing Berrian to CJ, but the Redskins are going to have to give up a lot if we are able to trade for him, and disregards other areas of need such as both lines.

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Berrian had some better than decent numbers with Grossman, Greise and Orton (the NFL equivalant of Moe, Larry and Curly) throwing to him. If he is able to produce with those 3, just think of what he can do with JC as his QB.

With JC (whom I think is a better QB than the other 3 combined) Berrian could really shine. It is a win-win situation if you ask me.

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[QUOTE=sandtrapjack;422487]Berrian had some better than decent numbers with Grossman, Greise and Orton (the NFL equivalant of Moe, Larry and Curly) throwing to him. If he is able to produce with those 3, just think of what he can do with JC as his QB.

With JC (whom I think is a better QB than the other 3 combined) Berrian could really shine. It is a win-win situation if you ask me.[/QUOTE]

Thanks for the props on JC my man. I feel the same way, I'm not ready to crown him yet but feel his size, mobility and strong arm will make him into a great QB in the right system, west coast anyone???

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[QUOTE=Ruhskins;422484]Great points Cooley1, Berrian could thrive with a much better QB, and two other very good receivers in Moss and Randle El. Plus the important thing is that we wouldn't spend draft picks. No one is comparing Berrian to CJ, but the Redskins are going to have to give up a lot if we are able to trade for him, and disregards other areas of need such as both lines.[/QUOTE]

Thanks bro, I think we both agree this will be the best fit top to bottom for our organization. Let's get everyone else aboard the BB Brigade!

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Wouldn't Booker or Peerless Price (also FA's) be better options? Bryant Johnson is my dream (second to Larry Fitzgerald getting cut) but there are plenty of currently unemployed wr's and even more soon to be so. I know that Berrian has never had a QB and plays in an offense that is detrimental to wr's (evidence Mushin Muhammed) but I still think he is too similar to Moss and ARE.

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I think the best option would be Larry Fitzgerald, Arizona is going to have a hard time restructuring that contact of his and will be forced to cut him. In this case we get a big young receiver without having to give up any draft picks, he'd be the perfect compliment to S. Moss. He's the big target we have been missing for years.

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[quote=rypper11;422495]Wouldn't Booker or Peerless Price (also FA's) be better options? Bryant Johnson is my dream (second to Larry Fitzgerald getting cut) but there are plenty of currently unemployed wr's and even more soon to be so. I know that Berrian has never had a QB and plays in an offense that is detrimental to wr's (evidence Mushin Muhammed) but I still think he is too similar to Moss and ARE.[/quote]

Stay away from Peerless Price. All I have read and heard is that the Redskins need a BIGGER WR and not a smallish one.

Price is less than 6 feet tall. And he has not done anything in 3 or 4 years worth writing about.

[quote=Skinz4life]I think the best option would be Larry Fitzgerald, Arizona is going to have a hard time restructuring that contact of his and will be forced to cut him. In this case we get a big young receiver without having to give up any draft picks, he'd be the perfect compliment to S. Moss. He's the big target we have been missing for years. [/quote]

They were just talking about Fitzgerald and the Cardinals yesterday on NFL Radio. LF really wants to stay in Arizona and ithey are in the process of re-working his contract now. Fitzgerald is not leaving Arizona.

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Berrian is incomperable to Ochocinco. Berrian I think has been injured a lot and that is exactly what we need right? Chad Johnson is much better. Berrian is just like Moss.

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They were just talking about Fitzgerald and the Cardinals yesterday on NFL Radio. LF really wants to stay in Arizona and ithey are in the process of re-working his contract now. Fitzgerald is not leaving Arizona.[/quote]
What about Boldin?...

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[QUOTE=sandtrapjack;422499]Stay away from Peerless Price. All I have read and heard is that the Redskins need a BIGGER WR and not a smallish one.

Price is less than 6 feet tall. And he has not done anything in 3 or 4 years worth writing about.



They were just talking about Fitzgerald and the Cardinals yesterday on NFL Radio. LF really wants to stay in Arizona and ithey are in the process of re-working his contract now. Fitzgerald is not leaving Arizona.[/QUOTE]

I wouldnt think so, it would be a horrible move for them. They will figure out a way to work his deal. I dont think there is anyway they let this guy go for nothing in return, not going to happen.

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I would pick him over Porter but I don't know that either are the #1 WR the skins need. They need a guy who can be what Plax is to Eli and what TO is to Romo. The skins already have a couple WR's on the level of Berrian & Porter. I would consider Berrian though if the price is to high on CJ or Williams.

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[QUOTE=rypper11;422495]Wouldn't Booker or Peerless Price (also FA's) be better options? Bryant Johnson is my dream (second to Larry Fitzgerald getting cut) but there are plenty of currently unemployed wr's and even more soon to be so. I know that Berrian has never had a QB and plays in an offense that is detrimental to wr's (evidence Mushin Muhammed) but I still think he is too similar to Moss and ARE.[/QUOTE]

Marty Booker....ummm NO! He hasnt had a good year since 02 and will be turning 33 this year....stay away from him.

Receiving
Year Team G GS Rec Yds Avg Lg TD 20+ 40+ 1st
1999 Chicago Bears 9 4 19 219 11.5 57 3 4 1 9
2000 Chicago Bears 15 7 47 490 10.4 41 2 5 1 28
2001 Chicago Bears 16 16 100 1071 10.7 66 8 12 4 56
2002 Chicago Bears 16 16 97 1189 12.3 54 6 20 3 54
2003 Chicago Bears 13 13 52 715 13.8 61 4 10 3 31
2004 Miami Dolphins 15 15 50 638 12.8 45 1 8 1 30
2005 Miami Dolphins 15 12 39 686 17.6 60 3 10 4 30
2006 Miami Dolphins 14 13 55 747 13.6 52 6 7 3 36
2007 Miami Dolphins 15 15 50 556 11.1 26 1 5 0 28
TOTAL 128 111 509 6311 12.4 66 34 81 20 302


and Peerless Price, come on dude. Same age 32 will be 33 and has had 3 touchdowns in 3 years. How do you even compare these two old men to BB??
Lets go young with this move.

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Berrian is a good speed guy but not much else.

He's not the impact guy we're looking for.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;422527]Berrian is a good speed guy but not much else.

He's not the impact guy we're looking for.[/QUOTE]

You are correct on that assessment, however the only impact guys we could possibly get are:

Chad Johnson - who the Bengals won't trade and if they do trade are going to cost the Redskins two arms and two legs to get him. And I don't see that happening.

Larry Fitzgerald - If the Cardinals screw this up and release him, this would be a MUCH better option than CJ, since we wouldn't have to give up any picks.

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why the hell would the cardinals release larry fitzgerald.... he's still in contract through next season and they already offered him a conract extension...

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[QUOTE=DiehardSkin88;422550]why the hell would the cardinals release larry fitzgerald.... he's still in contract through next season and they already offered him a conract extension...[/QUOTE]

Why not Roy Williams of the Lions. The Lions are willing to trade him and is a Team player unlike Chad Johnson!

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Personally I'm tired of the FA route for WR's. I mean we have Moss, ARE and LLoyd. All of them are making good $ and outside of Moss' 05 year the production hasn't been there. Berrian is a speed guy who is a good WR but he is going to want a lot of $. Will his production add up to what he's going to demand? Probably not.

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We have to trade for Roy Williams to, thats what we would have to do to get fitzgerald also

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Unless im wrong, Larry Fitzgerald is signed through next season isn't he?

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I agree. But we all know DS is going to break the bank to get Chad Johnson. The only way we don't get Johnson is if the Bengals stick to their guns and don't trade him. If that happens I doubt DS will settle for Berrian or Porter and will go after the next available big name target....Roy Williams. If he's going to give up that much I'd rather have Williams than Johnson.