Pacman Jones Suspended Indefinately
 

I just saw on ESPN that he is suspended indefinately and isnt allowed near practice facilities.
[url=http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3259260]ESPN - Jones still out of Titans organization, may have to re-petition to return - NFL[/url]
So... do you think he is ever going to play in the NFL again?

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Im really doubting it now. Thats the price you pay.

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UHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

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Awww, I feel really bad for the guy ;)

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such a waste of talent. clear #1 corner's career cut short by his own stupidity.

news at 11.

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Can he spell WWE? lol. He might as well look elsewhere to make his money 'cause he is going no where fast. One would think family and true friends would sit him down and straighten him out. waist of talent.

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Sorry Pac Man you messed up bad buddy

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Can't wait to see him on Pros Vs. Joes

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The one thing that I think that is total hypocrisy in all of this is that the league is so worried about what players do off the field and they complain that the players are representing the league and their reputations. What about if your league has been corrupted by a coach who has subverted the system and has called into question the integrity of the game, yet only gets a half million dollar fine which was conveniently rolled into his contract extension that was signed the next week and the loss of a draft pick to which the patriots already had a higher pick that was already better in terms of draft position? I totally disagree with Pacman and what he stands for. Clearly he is a disturbed young man who needs to get help, but when the league is on its high horse preaching morality, they had better check themselves because clearly their house needs some cleaning up when it comes to their vaunted franchise the patriots and the hoody coach.

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I think that Pacman should be allowed to come back at the start of training camp, if in fact his legal issues are resolved.

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Dude's had too many chances. I mean I'm all for second chances, but he took his second chance and shot it to hell, it's not that damn hard to stay out of a strip club lol. He had a lot of talent but he's definitely not the victim here, it's his own fault that he couldn't stay out of trouble.

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He WILL play again, just won't with the Titans. He's too talented not to. He'll have the shortest leash though. This is a league that allows thugs to play. He'll play again.

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Maybe the Titans will take M. Brunnell and a 17th round Draft pick after his suspension.

Then we sign him to the Vet minimum, with 144 different incentives to stay out of strip clubs and bad situations. One incentive for every infraction he's had. :laughing-

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[quote=SBXVII;425407]Can he spell WWE? lol. He might as well look elsewhere to make his money 'cause he is going no where fast. One would think family and true friends would sit him down and straighten him out. [B]waist of talent[/B].[/quote]
You're right what a waste.[IMG]http://www.thewarpath.net/images/icons/icon12.gif[/IMG]

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If he cannot stay out of trouble he needs to find another profession. The NFL is no place for thugs anymore.

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[URL="http://sports.espn.go.com/broadband/video/videopage?videoId=3280790"]Pacman Jones Wants To Be a Cowboy - ESPN Video[/URL]

[url=http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/football/nfl/03/06/bc.fbn.titans.pacman.ap/]SI.com - NFL - 'Pacman' says he's changed, ready to play - Thursday March 6, 2008 3:42PM[/url]


Pacman would love to play for the cowboys.

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I dont get why hes still suspended, what second chance did he blow? Yea he got arreseted six times since being drafted, but the most recent thign was the fact that he was seen at a strip club. who cares if NFL players or anyone else goes to a strip club, assuming he istn still shooting people there!

The thign in vegas was uncalled for, but going and not causing trouble shouldnt be held against him

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As someone who lives 20 miles from Nashville, I have seen that Pac just gets a bad rep...Yes he is very immature and Dumb but it almost seems as if Pac is too big for such a small town. Anywhere in Nashville area Pac goes some thing goes down. It is like a big hype since there is nothing bigger than to see and talk to a good football player. He also invites it as he is always out and about town and too easily accessible. I think this is symtomatic of most of todays youth. It is no longer enough to make it in the NFL and make millions of dollars if you don't flash it around and let everyone know you made it. I think he should be given another chance and he should go to another city and team to start fresh as here he will be what he was!!

Just my opinion!

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[quote=2BIG2BSKINNY;430120]As someone who lives 20 miles from Nashville, I have seen that Pac just gets a bad rep...Yes he is very immature and Dumb but it almost seems as if Pac is too big for such a small town. Anywhere in Nashville area Pac goes some thing goes down. It is like a big hype since there is nothing bigger than to see and talk to a good football player. He also invites it as he is always out and about town and too easily accessible. I think this is symtomatic of most of todays youth. It is no longer enough to make it in the NFL and make millions of dollars if you don't flash it around and let everyone know you made it. I think he should be given another chance and he should go to another city and team to start fresh as here he will be what he was!!

Just my opinion![/quote]


That's fine with me, as long as he doesnt start fresh with the cowboys.

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This is way beyond troubled youth. The guy has lost his right to play IMO. If you read this article on Jerramy Stevens, then I think you'll get an idea of what happens to players who get one to many chances. This isn't a few speeding tickets that Pacman has gotten himself into. Personally I woulndn't wish Pacman Jones on anybody, not even the Cowboys.

[URL]http://www.redskinswarpath.com/locker-room/22253-bucs-te-stevens-catching-one-too.html?highlight=Jerramy+Stevens[/URL]

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when has this behavior become acceptable? I can not believe some of the stuff I have heard in the last couple of posts. Arrested 6 times since being drafted - but it shouldn't be held against him, getting a bad rap?? Are you serious. The kid is a complete dumb ass. If you got arrested once, or twice for the stupid shit he does would you even have a job?? I wouldn't. My employer holds us up to a standard of living that does not deface the company I work for. This jackass should be suspended for 2 years, or longer. All he has to do is stay home, stay out of trouble and he's back making millions. He can't even do that. He has been arrested 6 times, that we know of, plus that does not include the run ins where nothing was reported. People to stick up for this jackass really need to look at themselves. He was directly responsible for a guys being paralyzed. He hit a women and beat up a stripper. I dont know off the top of my head what else, but a guy involved in a shooting leaving a guy paralyzed, beating up a stripper because she grabbed money that you threw on the stage (isn't that how normal strip clubs operate?) biting an officer was another one, smacking some other chick - the guy is a complete idiot, he doesn't deserve the NFL.

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In addition, his latest infraction came about AFTER he was specifically instructed not to go to strip clubs by the Commissioner. Agree or disagree as to whether it was appropriate - fine. But, if your boss says don't do this or it will reflect badly on the company, and then you go out and do it - expect to be disciplined.

Poor, poor pitiful big shot. Everyone is persecuting him. He did nothing to bring it on himself.

Bullsh**!!!

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Look I know this guy is an ass, but if you see it as we do here than things would be different. He was arrested in Rutherford county Tn for being in a club where everbody rushed to get a autograph and to talk to an nfl player. There was then a scene started and the police was called out and then Pac arrested... The news was that Pac did this and did that. Pac did nothing and was later after a court hearing was cleared... This is one of the 6 arrest you mentioned before. Hey this guy is dumb give me millions and an NFL career and I have everything I would need to have my family and friends set up for life...no need to go to club. But as far as his punishment, there have been other who have done worse like drug charges and gun charges and prison time and still was not given the punishment this guy has gotten. Give him enough rope to either hang himself or help him climb the mountain!

Hey I grew up in a not so great part of Miami and I don't act that way but I can see where trouble can find you. Even Sean Taylor who lived in a great area of Miami could not escape. He just needs to stop helping out.


R.I.P.
Sean Taylor

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[quote=JoeRedskin;430128]In addition, his latest infraction came about AFTER he was specifically instructed not to go to strip clubs by the Commissioner. Agree or disagree as to whether it was appropriate - fine. But, if your boss says don't do this or it will reflect badly on the company, and then you go out and do it - expect to be disciplined.

Poor, poor pitiful big shot. Everyone is persecuting him. He did nothing to bring it on himself.

Bullsh**!!![/quote]


Nice!
......the rules is the rules!
Part of the problem with our world is lack of this understanding, and the lack of respect for...........the rules.
Pacman TOTALLY deserves what he is getting

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[quote=Hog1;430133]Nice!
......the rules is the rules!
Part of the problem with our world is lack of this understanding, and the lack of respect for...........the rules.
Pacman TOTALLY deserves what he is getting[/quote]

That is exactly the point! Show me the rule and the punishment and the idiot is gone!!! But the thing is purely subject to interpretation.

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Um, playing football isn't a right. This jackass needs to toe the line or he can see his way into the CFL or Arena League. If your boss let's you keep your job after numerous infractions and as a condition asks you to avoid "weather producing locations" (make it rain Pacman) such as strip clubs then do it. If you need to see the booty so much, have it sent to your house.

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CFL has a rule now that if a player is suspended in another league... he can't play there.
Thank you Lawrence Phillips.

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[quote=redwagonskins;430141]Um, playing football isn't a right. This jackass needs to toe the line or he can see his way into the CFL or Arena League. If your boss let's you keep your job after numerous infractions and as a condition asks you to avoid "weather producing locations" (make it rain Pacman) such as strip clubs then do it. If you need to see the booty so much, have it sent to your house.[/quote]

I agree that Playing football is not a right!

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[quote=2BIG2BSKINNY;430140]That is exactly the point! Show me the rule and the punishment and the idiot is gone!!! But the thing is purely subject to interpretation.[/quote]
While I do not have a copy of the Collective Bargaining Agreement, I am confident that the language is built such to give the Commissioner some punitive latitude to prevent this type of conduct. Naturally, in addition to his legal issues (which are substantial), does he reflect negatively on the NFL.
Commissioner=Boss
Boss=rule maker
and.............the rules is the rules

until everyone goes, lawyer up

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This brings something to mind when was the last time a Cowboy got arrested? I remember the good old days when Dallas couldn't go a month without police involvement.

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Texas has more strip joints than any other state. Pacman will love it.

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"If I owned Texas and Hell, I would rent Texas and live in Hell", Gen. Philip Henry Sheridan.(1866)

Think I might make that my sig.

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[QUOTE=2BIG2BSKINNY;430140]That is exactly the point! Show me the rule and the punishment and the idiot is gone!!! But the thing is purely subject to interpretation.[/QUOTE]

As Hog1 said, the Commissioner determines the rules:

ARTICLE VIII: CLUB DISCIPLINE
Section 1. Maximum Discipline:
For the 2006 League Year, the following maximum discipline schedule will be applicable: … Conduct detrimental to Club—maximum fine of an amount equal to one week’s salary and/or suspension without pay for a period not to exceed four (4) weeks. This maximum applies without limitation to any deactivation of a player in response to player conduct (other than a deactivation in response to a player’s onfield playing ability), and any such deactivation, even with pay, shall be considered discipline subject to the limits set forth in this section. The Non-Injury Grievance Arbitrator’s decision in Terrell Owens (Nov. 23, 2005) is thus expressly overruled as to any Club decision to deactivate a player in response to the player’s conduct.

ARTICLE XI: COMMISSIONER DISCIPLINE
Section 1. League Discipline: Notwithstanding anything stated in Article IX (Non-Injury Grievance): (a) All disputes involving a fine or suspension imposed upon a player for conduct on the playing field other than as described in Subsection (b) below,[B] or involving action taken against a player by the Commissioner for conduct detrimental to the integrity of, or public confidence in, the game of professional football[/B], will be processed exclusively as follows: the Commissioner will promptly send written notice of his action to the player, with a copy to the NFLPA. Within twenty (20) days following such written notification, the player affected thereby, or the NFLPA with the player’s approval, may appeal in writing to the Commissioner.

[url=http://www.nflpa.org/CBA/CBA_Complete.aspx]NFL Players Association - CBA - CBA Amended 2006[/url]

Pacman had the right to contest his sanction but withdrew his appeal, accepted the sanction and, after meeting with the Commissioner, agreed to follow particular conduct guidelines in order to obtain reinstatement. He promptly disregarded the guidelines that HE AGREED TO and was subject to additional sanction.

You want to make excuses and say we don't understand the particular circumstances of his geographic location and the resultant media sensation he causes - fine. In any situation, there will be mitigating circumstances that explain the reason why someone acted badly. Explanation of the conduct does not excuse it.

Pacman was accused of violating league rules, did not contest the violation and then violated the specific conduct guidelines that would have allowed his reentry into the NFL.

He brought this on himself, there is no one else to blame, the explanation of the circumstances/conduct does not excuse the conduct and he was properly sanctioned.

He should practice for his new job requirements: Say it with me Mr. Jones - "Would you like fries with that?"


(BTW- isn't Pacman in Nashville? Perhaps there are a few country music stars who would disagree that Pacman is the only celebrity in town.)

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[QUOTE=mcarey032;425565]The one thing that I think that is total hypocrisy in all of this is that the league is so worried about what players do off the field and they complain that the players are representing the league and their reputations. What about if your league has been corrupted by a coach who has subverted the system and has called into question the integrity of the game, yet only gets a half million dollar fine which was conveniently rolled into his contract extension that was signed the next week and the loss of a draft pick to which the patriots already had a higher pick that was already better in terms of draft position? I totally disagree with Pacman and what he stands for. Clearly he is a disturbed young man who needs to get help, but when the league is on its high horse preaching morality, they had better check themselves because clearly their house needs some cleaning up when it comes to their vaunted franchise the patriots and the hoody coach.[/QUOTE]

I'm surprised that no one picked up on this comment, which I believe to be excellent. Bill Belichick is one of the most classless coach in the history of the NFL. He acted like a total b!tch last season, running on the score on teams, playing with an imaginary chip on his shoulder (like his team rallying around him after he was accused and found guilty of cheating? WTF??), and cheating...I remember people saying that the Redskins should quit crying about their blow up loss to the Patriots, but no one every told Belichick to quit pouting about his feelings towards the NFL. He should have never been coach of the year, and if Spygate II turns out to be true, he should be suspended indefinitely. Unfortunately none of this will happen b/c he's in a market team, and I guess no one wants to hear a whole season of whinning and crying from Boston fans.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;430227]As Hog1 said, the Commissioner determines the rules:

(BTW- isn't Pacman in Nashville? Perhaps there are a few country music stars who would disagree that Pacman is the only celebrity in town.)[/quote]

When it comes to Nashville you see the country stars but in the rich areas where residents would not really think too much of a star...Now the dumb places Pac goes to don't have the same type of people...

As for the Rules you posted, Thanks. It just seems that the commish is using his powers at his will as too how long the punishment will last. I agree with him and you he should be punished!!!!

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If he's on joes vs. pros i hope the joes not a stripper.

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This clown is a 100% waste! I hope he never plays in this league again, its a privilege (one that he has not earned) not a right!

But if he does Jerry Jones will be waiting with open arms...... :doh:

[url=http://www.tennessean.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080308/SPORTS01/803080360/1027]Cowboys like Pacman, but deal unlikely soon | www.tennessean.com | The Tennessean[/url]

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[quote=JoeRedskin;430227]As Hog1 said, the Commissioner determines the rules:

ARTICLE VIII: CLUB DISCIPLINE
Section 1. Maximum Discipline:
For the 2006 League Year, the following maximum discipline schedule will be applicable: … Conduct detrimental to Club—maximum fine of an amount equal to one week’s salary and/or suspension without pay for a period not to exceed four (4) weeks. This maximum applies without limitation to any deactivation of a player in response to player conduct (other than a deactivation in response to a player’s onfield playing ability), and any such deactivation, even with pay, shall be considered discipline subject to the limits set forth in this section. The Non-Injury Grievance Arbitrator’s decision in Terrell Owens (Nov. 23, 2005) is thus expressly overruled as to any Club decision to deactivate a player in response to the player’s conduct.

ARTICLE XI: COMMISSIONER DISCIPLINE
Section 1. League Discipline: Notwithstanding anything stated in Article IX (Non-Injury Grievance): (a) All disputes involving a fine or suspension imposed upon a player for conduct on the playing field other than as described in Subsection (b) below,[B] or involving action taken against a player by the Commissioner for conduct detrimental to the integrity of, or public confidence in, the game of professional football[/B], will be processed exclusively as follows: the Commissioner will promptly send written notice of his action to the player, with a copy to the NFLPA. Within twenty (20) days following such written notification, the player affected thereby, or the NFLPA with the player’s approval, may appeal in writing to the Commissioner.

[URL="http://www.nflpa.org/CBA/CBA_Complete.aspx"]NFL Players Association - CBA - CBA Amended 2006[/URL]

Pacman had the right to contest his sanction but withdrew his appeal, accepted the sanction and, after meeting with the Commissioner, agreed to follow particular conduct guidelines in order to obtain reinstatement. He promptly disregarded the guidelines that HE AGREED TO and was subject to additional sanction.

You want to make excuses and say we don't understand the particular circumstances of his geographic location and the resultant media sensation he causes - fine. In any situation, there will be mitigating circumstances that explain the reason why someone acted badly. Explanation of the conduct does not excuse it.

Pacman was accused of violating league rules, did not contest the violation and then violated the specific conduct guidelines that would have allowed his reentry into the NFL.

He brought this on himself, there is no one else to blame, the explanation of the circumstances/conduct does not excuse the conduct and he was properly sanctioned.

He should practice for his new job requirements: Say it with me Mr. Jones - "Would you like fries with that?"


(BTW- isn't Pacman in Nashville? Perhaps there are a few country music stars who would disagree that Pacman is the only celebrity in town.)[/quote]
ELVIS, ELVIS, ELVIS...

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[QUOTE=Hijinx;430210]"If I owned Texas and Hell, I would rent Texas and live in Hell", Gen. Philip Henry Sheridan.(1866)

Think I might make that my sig.[/QUOTE]


HA!!! There are several streets here named after him (Sheridan, not Pacman). Now thats irony! These idiots down here are crazy about that waste of talent. The Cowgirls need some leadership in their organization IMO, and Pacman is anything but that. Props to them re-signing Adams. We could use the extra 40 yards or so in holding calls he provides for us.