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The Washington Post reports a source said the Redskins don't believe the Cincinnati Bengals will trade WR Chad Johnson. One possibility on the roster is WR Brandon Lloyd, the former high-priced acquisition who fell into disfavor under former HC Joe Gibbs. Lloyd could be a candidate to be released, but HC Jim Zorn said he'd like to speak to Lloyd first. "He's fresh on my mind because he's fairly new to the program," Zorn said. "He hasn't had success for whatever reason, injury or lack of opportunity. But I'd sure like to sit down with him and talk and see what his mind-set is and where he's at."

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Let him go.
He's an overpaid bust. Don't let Cerrato off the hook for that one!

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what if Zorn decides to keep him? maybe Lloyd can pull a 360 and have a great season.

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And maybe monkeys will fly out my butt.

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its possible, im not against this at all

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give him one more chance, but if we could get a draft pick for him, like a 4th rounder I say we try and do that. But if we keep him and he doesn't produce, 3 strikes your out

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Not possible.
Act like a jackass after being paid that much darn money?
And I'm paying a tiny % every ticket I buy?
Screw Lloyd. He's got NO excuses.
Send him packing like Archuleta.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;426048]And maybe monkeys will fly out my butt.[/quote]
thats disgusting:) and i say give him a chance. i hate carrying money against the cap for players not on the roster.

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[quote=skinzaholic73;426046]what if Zorn decides to keep him? maybe Lloyd can pull a 360 and have a great season.[/quote]

not to harp on a common mistake, but a 360 brings you back to your initial starting point...its a 180 that we're looking for...

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My philosophy is, the son of a b*tch is going to get paid whether he plays or not...at least if we can get him playing he's earning his money...

I've always though deactivating a problem player is the stupidest move you can make...

Coach - [I]"Because your whining we are not going to let you play!!"[/I]

Player - [I]"So I get to get paid to do nothing?...uh ok"[/I]

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[QUOTE=Luxorreb;426045]Let him go.
He's an overpaid bust. Don't let Cerrato off the hook for that one![/QUOTE]

You mean dont let Gibbs off the hook for that one.

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It never occurred to me until now that there was any way he could be on the roster next year, but this actually isn't a terrible idea. The more I think about it, and I can't believe I'm saying this, the more I think it could work. If Zorn can get him to buy into the program he could be a dangerous threat in his offense.

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[quote=Luxorreb;426045]Let him go.
He's an overpaid bust. Don't let Cerrato off the hook for that one![/quote]
You mean don't let Al Saunders off the hook for that one.

[URL="http://hamptonroads.com/node/150111"]NFL Preview: Al Saunders on the attack for Redskins | HamptonRoads.com | PilotOnline.com[/URL]

From the article:
The two players Saunders thought offered the best chance to make that happen: San Francisco's Brandon Lloyd and Pittsburgh's Antwaan Randle El. In mid-March, Washington traded for Lloyd and signed Randle El.
"He pushed hard for them," said Bob Saunders, Al's son and a Redskins assistant. "Everyone knows what Brandon can do on the football field, his speed, the acrobatic catches. With Randle El, it's what he can do in the slot, the double moves, his cutting ability. Getting them really expanded the offense."

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[QUOTE=Slingin Sammy 33;426066]You mean don't let Al Saunders off the hook for that one.

[URL="http://hamptonroads.com/node/150111"]NFL Preview: Al Saunders on the attack for Redskins | HamptonRoads.com | PilotOnline.com[/URL]

From the article:
The two players Saunders thought offered the best chance to make that happen: San Francisco's Brandon Lloyd and Pittsburgh's Antwaan Randle El. In mid-March, Washington traded for Lloyd and signed Randle El.
"He pushed hard for them," said Bob Saunders, Al's son and a Redskins assistant. "Everyone knows what Brandon can do on the football field, his speed, the acrobatic catches. With Randle El, it's what he can do in the slot, the double moves, his cutting ability. Getting them really expanded the offense."[/QUOTE]

Perfect! I think all Redskins fans can agree on blaming Saunders:)

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The concern w/Loyd goes beyond what he might do on the field. A good year for him here might be 30 catches & 1-2 td's compared to his first 2 years. But what is the downside? that's the question Zorn et al will need to answer. Is he going to be more of a problem for a 1st year coach?

I bet the likes of Buges & Blache & other vet coaches will advise Zorn to cut him asap. Zorn is just doing due diligence & trying to show that he's fair.

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Zorn may have a more relaxed clubhouse atmosphere that tolerates guys wearing profanity on their hats thus not creating any extra tension. It's hard dealing with whiny crybabies that are used to getting their way but some people work better with them than others. Hopefully Zorn is that guy.

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BL = sunk cost. We need to just eat it.

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Hopefully it will be a quick talk to tell him he's cut.

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This makes sense because Brandon Lloyd was a model citizen and not a malcontent in San Francisco. He never caused problems in that locker room and his actions in Washington are totally without precedent. Because the Redskins really did great research before trading picks for him and there were no signs at all that he would be a problem once he got to Washington ....

Oh, wait ... nevermind ...

[url=http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2006/03/11/SPGH9HML4D1.DTL&hw=brandon+lloyd&sn=004&sc=933]Several signs point to Lloyd departure[/url]
[url]http://www.redskinswarpath.com/locker-room/11374-brandon-lloyd-6.html?highlight=brandon+lloyd#post158525[/url]

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I think we can't place blame on one person for BL. The whole FO/Head Coach get the blame for allowing the trade to get BL. Even if Al Saunders wanted BL, it doesn't mean that we had to do it.

I agree though, let's just cut our losses.

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I say you give him a chance under a new system with a new head coach, why not? You’re going to pay him more to cut him. So, lets just say he has a mediocre year for us and then we decide to get more youth at WR - we may actually have a chance to trade him the following year, further eliminating cap hits and getting something in return.

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[quote=redsk1;426084]I think we can't place blame on one person for BL. The whole FO/Head Coach get the blame for allowing the trade to get BL. Even if Al Saunders wanted BL, it doesn't mean that we had to do it.

I agree though, let's just cut our losses.[/quote]

Read that thread from 2006, a lot of people on here were very excited about B. Lloyd too ... I didn't really remember the hype, it is interesting to go back and look at some of those things. Also, don't think I'm crowning myself as some kind of genius, if you go through that thread I at one point stated that I wanted to Skins to target David Givens, Nate Clements, and Darren Howard (yikes!). I was glad to see I didn't like the acquisitions of either Lloyd or Archuleta. I was wrong about Andre Carter though.

Oh geez, I also found this one, DAMN THE SEARCH FUNCTION!!

[quote=SC Skins Fan;159581]Not likely. Not having to give up a #2 for Lloyd makes those 4 catches replayed 14 times looke pretty damn sweet. Despite my earlier reservations I think I am now drinking the Brandon Lloyd Kool Aid . . . which might be a bad sign. By the way, has anyone heard Lloyd rap? Does he have any flow or is he more of the a Deion Sanders "Must Be the Money" type? What a classic . . .

[url=http://www.audiolunchbox.com/album?a=37146]The Encore Remix by Deion Sanders at Audio Lunchbox[/url][/quote]

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Once a bum, always a bum. We need to cut him loose and move on from this mistake. I'm sure Zorn is just saying what he has to say at this point.

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The only reason I can think of to keep Loyd any longer would be to play him in preseason to boost his trade value. Problem w/that is the guy has negative value at present, so he'd have to be dominant on the field & somehow convince teams he's a changed man for us to even get a 7th for him.

I can only think of one team that might make a deal for this guy; Oakland. Who knows, maybe Zorn will keep him on the roster & then cut him or trade him if he can find a sucker.

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Just rip off the band-aid.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;426080]Hopefully it will be a quick talk to tell him he's cut.[/QUOTE]

Class act to give him face to face chance. You never know how a new coach may be able to connect but the guy may have too much baggage as a skin.

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[quote=QBall;426119]Class act to give him face to face chance. You never know how a new coach may be able to connect but the guy may have too much baggage as a skin.[/quote]

False hopes.

If it quacks like a duck, it's a duck. Cut him loose and move on.

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I don't see what the idea is behind releasing. I don't like him anymore than anyone else, but this guy has 0 trade value and will cost us money to cut. So, what's the point of getting rid of him. I don't believe that he's a cancer, so addition by subtraction doesn't really make sense to me. I feel like, we have to keep him and give him a shot to pick it up. Maybe he'll fit in a little better with Zorn's offense? Doubtful, but if he can become any kind of contributor, it would be nice.

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[quote=jdlea;426129]I don't see what the idea is behind releasing. I don't like him anymore than anyone else, but this guy has 0 trade value and will cost us money to cut. So, what's the point of getting rid of him. I don't believe that he's a cancer, so addition by subtraction doesn't really make sense to me. I feel like, we have to keep him and give him a shot to pick it up. Maybe he'll fit in a little better with Zorn's offense? Doubtful, but if he can become any kind of contributor, it would be nice.[/quote]

The problem is he IS a locker room distraction and a malcontent.

He's had blowouts with coaches and players.

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I still haven't given up hope on Lloyd. I'd like to see him actually get an opportunity. All it can take is a change of scenery/staff for a whole new player to come out. We've seen it many times before.

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It just came to me; tell Vinny to get on the phone w/Al Davis. Send them Loyd & a 5th for Michael Huff! (See the M. Huff thread)

Maybe it would require a 3rd to make it work, or another lower pick. Al Davis w/his senility is our only hope to deal Loyd!

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I have said many, many harsh things about Lloyd. In my opinion, the guy is a punk who doesn't deserve to wear an NFL uniform. However, I think it's possible (however unlikely) that Lloyd wants to get back onto the field and is willing to shut his trap and play. I'll defer to Zorn on this one. If Zorn cuts Lloyd I certainly won't shed a tear, but if he keeps Lloyd I'll give him the benefit of the doubt.

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[QUOTE=Daseal;426142]I still haven't given up hope on Lloyd. I'd like to see him actually get an opportunity. All it can take is a change of scenery/staff for a whole new player to come out. We've seen it many times before.[/QUOTE]

Except he got that change of scenery/staff when he came here. How many more changes of scenery/staff should he get?

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;426134]The problem is he IS a locker room distraction and a malcontent.

He's had blowouts with coaches and players.[/QUOTE]

And members of the staff at Redskins Park.

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[quote=Daseal;426142]I still haven't given up hope on Lloyd. I'd like to see him actually get an opportunity. All it can take is a change of scenery/staff for a whole new player to come out. We've seen it many times before.[/quote]

I'm having trouble recalling an example of a guy with these stats:

2007
2 rec 14 yds

2006
23 rec 365 yds

having a dramatic turnaround. He's not a talent like Moss or Owens, he's never produced like either of those guys in the past, the point of cutting him is two-fold. Get him out of the locker room and get his contract off the books so the Skins don't have to carry dead cap in 2009. If they wanted, they could cut him post June 1 (or designate him as a June 1 cut and release earlier - right?) and carry the hit over two years. The guy's got to go.

Oh, and not to mention he is also a liability on the field. Remember that deep pass against Arizona last year where he kind of just fell down and the ball was picked?

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[quote=freddyg12;426143]It just came to me; tell Vinny to get on the phone w/Al Davis. Send them Loyd & a 5th for Michael Huff! (See the M. Huff thread)

Maybe it would require a 3rd to make it work, or another lower pick. Al Davis w/his senility is our only hope to deal Loyd![/quote]

I know it is a scenario that won't come to pass, but just remember that both Chris Cooley and Derrick Dockery were both 3rd round picks ...

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Lloyd sucks
Buh-bye

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Zorn: Hey, What do you think about sticking around and maybe being more involved?
Lloyd: Here I thought I was going to be disolved, Now I find I'm resolved to be involved,
It's amazing how simple this was solved.
Zorn: What the hell was that?
Lloyd: Yo thats my rap. Word.
Zorn: What kinda answer is that? Look....are you in or are you out?
Lloyd: I could be within or I could be without, It doesn't really matter cuz I was making
out, You can keep me in or you can kick me out, It's all the same cuz I'm making
out.
Zorn: Oh...kay. I'll pencil you in. How about restructuring your contract?
Lloyd: Restructuring...it's so frustrating. To not be on the field when I wanna be.
A contract is something you have to live up to, If I'm given the chance then
I'm about to. I hope you know I make the money no matter what I do.
Zorn: Yeah. whatever. I hope your trying to keep your day job.

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[quote=jdlea;426129]I don't see what the idea is behind releasing. I don't like him anymore than anyone else, but this guy has 0 trade value and will cost us money to cut. So, what's the point of getting rid of him. I don't believe that he's a cancer, so addition by subtraction doesn't really make sense to me. I feel like, we have to keep him and give him a shot to pick it up. Maybe he'll fit in a little better with Zorn's offense? Doubtful, but if he can become any kind of contributor, it would be nice.[/quote]Cutting him today prevents us from having to give him any more money for this season and beyond.

We cut him right now, we eat the hit now, and he's off the books by 2009. We wait a year, and he stays on the books for 2009, and we paid him in full for this year.

Yes, the net cap hit is lessened every year we keep him on, but [B]every year we keep him on he gets to see more and more of his contract value.[/B]

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[quote=Daseal;426142]I still haven't given up hope on Lloyd. I'd like to see him actually get an opportunity. All it can take is a change of scenery/staff for a whole new player to come out. We've seen it many times before.[/quote]Brandon Lloyd Career:

2003 Opportunities: 30
Catch %: 47

2004 Opportunities: 89
Catch %: 48

2005 Opportunities: 109
Catch %: 34

2006 Opportunities: 58
Catch %: 41


2007 Opportunities: 6
Catch %: 33

Total Opportunities: 292
Catch %: 41

Can we stop defending Brandon Lloyd now? [B]He's got a strong case at being the worst receiver ever to play professional football.[/B] I'm not exaggerating.