Patriots Expected to Release LB Colvin
 

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What do you all think? I think this might be someone we should give some serious consideration to signing. VC talked about going after guys that our coaches are familiar with, and Blache is very familiar with Colvin.

He's on the wrong side of 30 but so was Fletch, and Colvin seems like he could be for Blache what Fletcher was last year for Williams; a playmaker who understands and can communicate Blache's message to the rest of the players. Plus his age could mean a reasonable contract.

(I also say we should sign him so we can continue the Zorn pun craze we're on and see an "Every Rose Has a Zorn" headline somewhere)

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to avoid futher contverosy later I say we take him for the "vet. min"

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;426258]to avoid futher contverosy later I say we take him for the "vet. min"[/quote]

nuff said!

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[quote=SmootSmack;426256][URL="http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patriots/reiss_pieces/2008/02/pats_expected_t.html"]Pats expected to release Colvin - Reiss' Pieces - Boston.com[/URL]

What do you all think? I think this might be someone we should give some serious consideration to signing. VC talked about going after guys that our coaches are familiar with, and Blache is very familiar with Colvin.

He's on the wrong side of 30 but so was Fletch, and Colvin seems like he could be for Blache what Fletcher was last year for Williams; a playmaker who understands and can communicate Blache's message to the rest of the players. Plus his age could mean a reasonable contract.

(I also say we should sign him so we can continue the Zorn pun craze we're on and see an "Every Rose Has a Zorn" headline somewhere)[/quote]Colvin is nearly identical to Marcus Washington. Briggs is the better option for what we are looking for.

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If Briggs didn't come here is Colvin a good alternative or is not making any move the better alternative?

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i think it depends on the health status of rocky. Also there are a few linebackers in this upcoming draft that look like later picks that could be impact players...

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[quote=canthetuna;426277]i think it depends on the health status of rocky. Also there are a few linebackers in this upcoming draft that look like later picks that could be impact players...[/quote]

I thought there were only a couple decent LBs in this draft. I'm just going on what the "experts" have stated thus far. Nfl.com's web pg. said today that LBs weren't impressive in the combine as well.

Colvin sounds like a good depth signing a la Godfrey of last year. What about Lemar Marshall? He becomes available in a few days.

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Colvin was a beast last year for the patriots, pretty sure he actually played better then briggs, yet colvin plays next to bruschi vraebal and seau while briggs plays next to urlacher... I would actually prefer to see colvin a redskin more so than briggs because colvin is familiar with blache and he would be much cheaper...

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[quote=SmootSmack;426273]If Briggs didn't come here is Colvin a good alternative or is not making any move the better alternative?[/quote]

If there's any position besides DB I want to see us spent some temporary money on, it's this one. I think he'd come far cheaper than Briggs and provide some insurance if Rocky wasn't quite ready.

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seems like he is always hurt. and alittle bit too old for my liking. i say no

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how many players are we signing for the vet min. "Every link has vet min, sign him vet min." When has the redskins signed anyone at the vet min?

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[quote=SmootSmack;426273]If Briggs didn't come here is Colvin a good alternative or is not making any move the better alternative?[/quote]Colvin certainly isn't a bad player, but given those three options, I would answer as so.

1) Briggs
1a) No one
2) Colvin

It's not that Colvin would be a bad fit here, it's that forcing Marcus out the door after this year and replacing him with Colvin really doesn't accomplish anything.

And leaving them both together (beyond 2008) would be more of a mess since Colvin isn't that good in pass coverage, and you have to work in some youth with the 30+'s that are carrying the defense.

Colvin would be a decent fit, but he really doesn't improve our team top to bottom very much, and would presumably eat a lot of money.

Now if we could get him for 1/3 the price of Briggs, I'd be singing a different tune.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;426258]to avoid futher contverosy later I say we take him for the "vet. min"[/quote]

Had to say it, didn't you Quake? Very angry face :madani:

Either way I don't get where people keep saying the guy is hurt all the time. At least get it right. He's been hurt recently. Before last year he had played in 16 games a year for three straight years. Also the guy got 10.5 sacks for two years in a row, playing at the traditional OLB spot in what I believe to be Blaches defense, but don't hold me to the Blache part.

I would imagine that he would have enough speed to play the Will spot which I believe is where Rocky plays. Plus he's use to being a backup. At the right price I think he's a great addition. Probably worth a contract thats slightly less then what we gave London Fletcher last year. However the market for a guy that has experience with one: rushing the passer and two: playing in both a 3-4 and a 4-3 is probably going to be more then we can afford at the moment.

Personally I like it if we can afford him. At the very least I expect us to make a run for him, but like Peter King said earlier our front office is going to be more willing to walk away.

[quote=WaldSkins;426301]how many players are we signing for the vet min. "Every link has vet min, sign him vet min." When has the redskins signed anyone at the vet min?[/quote]

Not many. If I remember right Keenan McCardell and Randel Godfrey signed for it last year, but both were considering retirement so those are the type of guy that you get for the veteran minimum. Also I think Quake was joking about offering the veteran minimum.

Either way I think the guys around here don't understand that in the NFL throwing that word around as often as its thrown around here is a great way to insult players and agents and burn bridges that you don't want burned. Part of the reason people didn't want to play for the Cardinals for so many years was because they were considered cheap.

The Redskins have their own problems but paying players fair market to above fair market value is not one of them.

Theres always going to be that armchair GM around here that thinks he's smart for saying we should only offer him the veteran minimum, but if you see him just let it be. Chances are he doesn't know what hes talking about. I say if you think a players going to cost to much, own up to it, and say it.

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[quote=freddyg12;426281]I thought there were only a couple decent LBs in this draft. I'm just going on what the "experts" have stated thus far. Nfl.com's web pg. said today that LBs weren't impressive in the combine as well.

Colvin sounds like a good depth signing a la Godfrey of last year. What about Lemar Marshall? He becomes available in a few days.[/quote]


please substitute the phrase "impact players" with "quality depth"...


sorry :)

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[quote=SmootSmack;426256][URL="http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patriots/reiss_pieces/2008/02/pats_expected_t.html"]Pats expected to release Colvin - Reiss' Pieces - Boston.com[/URL]

What do you all think? I think this might be someone we should give some serious consideration to signing. VC talked about going after guys that our coaches are familiar with, and Blache is very familiar with Colvin.

He's on the wrong side of 30 but so was Fletch, and Colvin seems like he could be for Blache what Fletcher was last year for Williams; a playmaker who understands and can communicate Blache's message to the rest of the players. Plus his age could mean a reasonable contract.

(I also say we should sign him so we can continue the Zorn pun craze we're on and see an "Every Rose Has a Zorn" headline somewhere)[/quote]


I just saw this on NFL Network. It kind of surprised me. But he's had two MAJOR injuries the last few years so I'm not too sure. I wonder if he and Blache go back when Colvin was at Chi. I know it's tempting cause when healthy he probably is a better pass rusher than anyone we currently have. But I say we pass.

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;426351]I just saw this on NFL Network. It kind of surprised me. But he's had two MAJOR injuries the last few years so I'm not too sure. I wonder if he and Blache go back when Colvin was at Chi. I know it's tempting cause when healthy he probably is a better pass rusher than anyone we currently have. But I say we pass.[/QUOTE]

Yeah they were together back in Chi-town.

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[quote=SmootSmack;426355]Yeah they were together back in Chi-town.[/quote]I got to meet him back in Nov 2002, right before he hit free agency. I got his autograph, and asked him where he was desiring to play next year, and he said he always wanted to play for Coach Kiffin in Tampa.

Ended up signing with New England, but there's some insider information for you guys if you wanted a name of a place he might end up.

I don't think he'd help us, but he will help somebody.

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If he could stay healthy he could be a decent backup to McIntosh and Washington

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According to my BOY KC Joyner. Colvin is nothing more then a pass rush specialist.
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LB Rosevelt Colvin -- The release of Colvin could be the first of many personnel changes the Patriots make in their linebacking corps this offseason. The primary reason for the linebacker makeover is that New England's run defense was quite bad in 2007 (it was tied for 26th in rushing yards per attempt).



To give you a better idea of just how bad the Patriots' run defense was, consider that Colvin's 5.2 yards per attempt (YPA) on point-of-attack runs was the best among the New England linebacking corps. When the best run-stuffing linebacker on a team has a YPA of 5-plus yards and defeats only two blocks in 42 point-of-attack (POA) attempts, it speaks volumes as to how bad the run defense really was.


Colvin may draw some interest from a team looking for some "star name" recognition in free agency, but his limitations in stopping the run make him a less-than-viable free-agent candidate for any team with run defense issues.

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Did he fail his physical?

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According to this yeah, Colvin didn't pass his physical.

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[QUOTE=EARTHQUAKE2689;426258]to avoid futher contverosy later I say we take him for the "vet. min"[/QUOTE]

lol....I think everytime someone is released someone tries to sign him for the vet min...haha

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According to this yeah, Colvin didn't pass his physical.[/QUOTE]

Hmm. I suppose in the interest of fairness I should lock this thread like I locked your Booger "Failed His Physical" McFarland thread...but I'm not about being fair (insert evil laugh)

:)

Seriously though, I guess this might be a moot point now

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;426925]Hmm. I suppose in the interest of fairness I should lock this thread like I locked your Booger "Failed His Physical" McFarland thread...but I'm not about being fair (insert evil laugh)

:)

Seriously though, I guess this might be a moot point now[/QUOTE]

LOL. Nah that's cool Smoot, I will be the first to admit when I make a mistake. Although I remember in some interview I saw in the NFL network saying how different teams have different guidelines on physicals. Meaning that just b/c you fail one team's physical, you will fail them on. So maybe you don't *need* to lock this thread. LOL.

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It's a brutal game.

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[quote=SkinsFanSince91;426923]lol....I think everytime someone is released someone tries to sign him for the vet min...haha[/quote]

I love this, finally all my bitching has contributed to something useful. Now more people are calling out the guys who try to slap the Veteran Minimum on every available Free Agent that has had a relatively productive career.

Crap now I need to find a new cause to fight for.....ah stoping the idiots that think we need to replace Mike Sellers. That should keep me busy.

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[QUOTE=Dirtbag359;427373]I love this, finally all my bitching has contributed to something useful. Now more people are calling out the guys who try to slap the Veteran Minimum on every available Free Agent that has had a relatively productive career.

Crap now I need to find a new cause to fight for.....ah stoping the idiots that think we need to replace Mike Sellers. That should keep me busy.[/QUOTE]

I'm with you on that. LOL.